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Woman sues Lidl for £6000 over child being accused of theft.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    What's the big hoopla? People get paid compensation every single day and it's not reported by the media. I think they were right to look for compo in this case, he's a 6 yo ffs.. even if he was stealing the crisps there'd be no need for the staff to manhandle him

    They held his arm!! When the fup did that become manhandling?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭ch750536


    Having dealt with a number of legal situations like this there is a very simple premise to follow.

    'It is always about the money.'

    If you think making people apologise will ensure this does not happen again, then you are wrong. If you think sacking the girl who made the mistake, you are wrong. Even a €10 voucher would not stop this happening again.

    Wiping off a few days profit of the store will ensure staff are properly trained on this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    Einhard wrote: »
    I was held by security in the front of the Centra in Ranelagh a few years back, having been accused of thieving a large bottle of coke. The manager was very aggressive, and was at pains to point out that he intended filing a full prosecution against me. The clerk who had served me less than a minute before denied having done so, and I was held by the security man as the manager called the cops. I eventually asked him to check the security cameras, which he reluctantly did, only to come back and give the most cursory, forced apology. All this happened in the middle of the day, with people coming in and out, including my neighbours and people who knew me in some way.

    I told the manager I thought he was a stupid, ignorant fucking cunt, and that I would never shop in his store again. That was it. The idea of suing him, or the store, or demanding that he lose his job would have seemed as ridiculous then as it does now. People can't expect money every time they are inconvenienced or feel "distress".

    More fool you, some would say.

    The legal system provides a remedy for those falsely accused of theft and unlawfully detained. Its up to the victims to decide whether or not to avail of their right to claim damages - you didnt but many would have after enduring the experience you describe and there wouldnt be anything ridiculous about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭ch750536


    Einhard wrote: »
    I told the manager I thought he was a stupid, ignorant fucking cunt, and that I would never shop in his store again. That was it. The idea of suing him, or the store, or demanding that he lose his job would have seemed as ridiculous then as it does now. People can't expect money every time they are inconvenienced or feel "distress".

    So you did nothing to ensure it didn't happen to anyone else then! If you had sued them then they would be trained properly on how to handle situations like this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Stekelly wrote: »
    I dotn see what the issue is with them not wantign homeless people rummaging in bins around their stores.

    I also have no issue with what Heatons do re cuttign up clothes. I hate this thing thats sprung up in the last few years where people and companies are expected to give to charities or be looked down on. If I choose to burn money rather than give it to charity thats my choice.
    Wow. So if you have old clothes or old furniture you don't need anymore, you would throw it away rather than give it to a family who need it or to charity? In my house, anything we don't 'need' goes to someone who does 'need' it, whether in exchange for cash or for nothing in the case of giving to charity. Just the way I was brought up I suppose.
    ch750536 wrote: »
    Having dealt with a number of legal situations like this there is a very simple premise to follow.

    'It is always about the money.'

    If you think making people apologise will ensure this does not happen again, then you are wrong. If you think sacking the girl who made the mistake, you are wrong. Even a €10 voucher would not stop this happening again.

    Wiping off a few days profit of the store will ensure staff are properly trained on this.
    Ok, fair point. However, couldn't the state do something worthwhile with the payout. No matter what you say, the 'distress' caused to the child and his mother did not warrant a payout of €7,500.

    Why not give €3,500 to the child and his mother and use the other €3000 for some other purpose beneficial to the state. Give it to charity even. There are so many more worthwhile causes than a child who was given out to and questioned about taking a bag of crisps. False economy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    'Distress' me bum! He's a kid. He was probably well over the occurence later that evening and would have forgot about it entirely after a day or two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    ch750536 wrote: »
    Having dealt with a number of legal situations like this there is a very simple premise to follow.

    'It is always about the money.'

    If you think making people apologise will ensure this does not happen again, then you are wrong. If you think sacking the girl who made the mistake, you are wrong. Even a €10 voucher would not stop this happening again.

    Wiping off a few days profit of the store will ensure staff are properly trained on this.

    You can't do right for doing wrong. Ten years ago I was at the checkout in Superquinn in Kilkenny and while I was paying at the checkout, my two brats then aged 5 and 2 made a run for the life sized replica of a Labrador that is the collecting box for Guide Dogs for the Blind which sits on a plinth because first one there would get to sit on the dog's back. The elder one grabbed the back of the younger one's teeshirt and he fell forwards and split his forehead open on the metal plinth. Cue torrents of blood and crying. The staff were like lightening with handfuls of tissues and help with the elder child. Within five minutes one of the managers was driving us to A&E and telling me to send any bills to them. My shopping which I had left at the check out was delivered home and a note telling me not to worry about paying. The next morning bright and early they were on the phone asking me how he was. He got two stitches on his forehead which necessitated a GA. A day later a big hamper full of kiddie goodies from SQ and vouchers from Adams was delivered. Whenever they spotted him the shop for about a year after they would come and enquire as to how he was. I know a lot of this was in order to encourage me not to sue which I had no idea of doing as it was my own fault for not keeping my children under supervision.

    The next year I was in SuperValu and had my younger son standing in the trolley. I turned my back to pick up something and the trolley overbalanced and it and him hit the floor. Cue much screaming and crying (from him, not me :D). Lots of customers rushed over and helped me. Not one member of staff from the checkouts or Customer Service Desk came over. The next day I met one of the girls who had been working when it happened and she apologised for not coming over to give a hand but apparently it was then their policy to ignore situations like this in the hope that a claim would go away. If he had been hurt, rightly or wrongly (and it would have been wrongly because it was again my fault), I would have sued the arse off them out of spite.

    So it not always about the money.


  • Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I saw this in the media today.

    A 6 year old child was accused of swiping a pack of crisps at a Lidl branch in North Dublin. He was pulled aside and quizzed by staff after checkout. His mother was able to show receipts proving the item were purchased. Staff continued to be rude.

    Stupid move on behalf of Lidl staff for jumping to conclusions and not examining CCTV footage before they made the move. I hope those responsible get the sack.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/7914309/Boy-5-wins-6000-in-Lidl-defamation-case.html

    This happened to me in a petrol station near Newcastle West. Myself and the boss were on the road so called in for lunch. Upon paying for the stuff and walking out she shouted back at us saying we never paid for some bottles of water we had. He promptly went over and shoved the receipt in her face and said "you should be careful who you accuse in future." Didn't sue though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Drake66


    Galvasean wrote: »
    'Distress' me bum! He's a kid. He was probably well over the occurence later that evening and would have forgot about it entirely after a day or two.

    Why pray tell? Are children incapable of remembering being grabbed by a stranger and being called a thief?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Minstrel27 wrote: »
    €7,500???

    That's nuts.

    No. Crisps.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Galvasean wrote: »
    'Distress' me bum! He's a kid. He was probably well over the occurence later that evening and would have forgot about it entirely after a day or two.

    How the hell do you know? All that can be said, is the store handled the situation very badly and got off lightly. And if you read all the posts, you would realise that this kind of experience lingers on much more than a day or two.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Stekelly wrote: »
    I dotn see what the issue is with them not wantign homeless people rummaging in bins around their stores.

    I also have no issue with what Heatons do re cuttign up clothes. I hate this thing thats sprung up in the last few years where people and companies are expected to give to charities or be looked down on. If I choose to burn money rather than give it to charity thats my choice.

    i'm fairly sure that's illegal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Compensation culture,
    this country is turning into the states when it comes to the compensation side of things,

    A hard lesson in sanctioning a system's failure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    Stekelly wrote: »
    I dotn see what the issue is with them not wantign homeless people rummaging in bins around their stores.

    I also have no issue with what Heatons do re cuttign up clothes. I hate this thing thats sprung up in the last few years where people and companies are expected to give to charities or be looked down on. If I choose to burn money rather than give it to charity thats my choice.

    If you drive a Renault, well you'd know all about burning money:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Drake66 wrote: »
    Why pray tell? Are children incapable of remembering being grabbed by a stranger and being called a thief?

    Wasn't it a multi-pack of crisps? I'm sure he'd have forgotten about it as soon as he started the next packet.

    The only reason a 5 year old would give a damn is if his mother was over reacting about the situation afterwards.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    How the hell do you know? All that can be said, is the store handled the situation very badly and got off lightly. And if you read all the posts, you would realise that this kind of experience lingers on much more than a day or two.
    :rolleyes:
    How is 6000 euro damages against a legitimate business for the incompetence of one clueless worker, whose sloppy actions resulted in nothing more than a minor inconvenience to a mother, getting off lightly? As for the distress and trauma the mother suffered from this experience...

    In a shopping centre 6 months ago I saw a man walk into a shop front (the shop mistakenly had no poster displayed or anything to warn it was clear glass). He got up immediately and brushed himself off slightly embarrassed. I was bemused to see him return a few minutes later with a companion, and lie down on the ground in front of the shop in apparent agony, while his accomplice took details from the shop owner. I'm sure he will get a substantial award for this.

    Also, for example, the under resourced health service for example is crippled by workers afraid to make a diagnosis, ordering unnecessary obscure diagnostic tests and referrals, lest they miss something and face getting sued. This is not without consequence to the hoards of sick people attempting to access such an inefficient system.

    Any system grinds to a halt when people are always out trying to make a cheap buck. There are of course legitimate cases for compensation. This particular one stinks of the more common case of someone taking advantage.

    Would you prefer if our horrible culture of litigation was more excessive, and this 6 year old would have been awarded something more substantial. Maybe you'd prefer something along the lines of Monica Leech's ridiculous defamation award of €1.9 million.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 ✭✭✭Sonnenblumen


    sesna wrote: »
    :rolleyes:
    How is 6000 euro damages against a legitimate business for the incompetence of one clueless worker, whose sloppy actions resulted in nothing more than a minor inconvenience to a mother, getting off lightly? As for the distress and trauma the mother suffered from this experience...

    Would you prefer if our ridiculous, horrible culture of litigation was more excessive, and this 6 year old would have been awarded something more substantial. Maybe you'd prefer something along the lines of what Monica Leech got in her defamation award which was €1.9 million.

    The world would be better with fewer 'clueless workers' and more observant Retailers. And no, I disagree with your assessment of the incident, IMO, it was outrageous and hence the finding. Learn the lesson and move on, this is a busy world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    gaz wac wrote: »
    He was a minor who was :

    Illegally detained and falsely imprisoned
    The article may say that but reading the rest of the information indicates that he would have been no more than 10 feet away from his mother for not even a couple of moments and in full view of the public.
    gaz wac wrote: »

    Accused of theft ( incorrectly )…now remember, he is 5 !!
    And? 5 year olds can't steal?
    gaz wac wrote: »

    And received bodily harm..
    Now you're being ridiculous, where did it say he was harmed? All it says is that the clerk "grabbed" his arm. The reality of the situation, given his age, is that the clerk probably placed their hand on the kid to stop him. No one is stupid enough to aggressively grab at kid of that age under those kind of circumstances.
    gaz wac wrote: »

    so they just say.." ehh sorry about that, here is a €10 voucher off your next shop" ....
    So what did he deserve then? Why €6,000? Why not €10,000? Or €20,000? Or €1,000?

    As other posters said, this was just about the mother trying to extract money from the shop. The kid himself will have forgotten by now, the parents, knowing the action they've taken, will probably already be thinking of ways to spend the money. Maybe they can go on a nice sun holiday so they can put this tragic incident behind them? :rolleyes:

    Personally, if I knew my mother acted like this after such an event I'd be ****ing mortified.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,006 ✭✭✭Ann22


    I read about this, didn't Lidl offer around €2,500 and the mother refused it, took it further and got the full amount?

    The checkout girl probably did overreact by stopping the child marching past with an armful of crisps, but I'd say the mother was delighted at the chance to make some easy money and there she goes, selling her story to the papers for more dosh:D. People like that look out for wet patches in stores to slip on:rolleyes:.

    My hubbie had three car crashes in the last 20yrs, all were the other drivers fault. Not once did he claim for injury, just got the car fixed by a panel beater he knows and gave the bill which was quite small, to the other driver.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    The world would be better with fewer 'clueless workers' and more observant Retailers. And no, I disagree with your assessment of the incident, IMO, it was outrageous and hence the finding. Learn the lesson and move on, this is a busy world.

    Agreed - the point related to your claim that 6,000 euro was getting off lightly. So you think 50,000 or 100,000 maybe would be more appropriate for this six year old?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    I love this story,hope they sacked that cow who grabbed the poor child aswell :D put hands on my six year old see what happens.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    caseyann wrote: »
    I love this story,hope they sacked that cow who grabbed the poor child aswell aswell :D put hands on my six year old see what happens.

    What do you love about this story ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    It's fucking Lidl, fuck them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    sesna wrote: »
    What do you love about this story ?


    That she sued and didnt let them get away with it,good for her.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    El Siglo wrote: »
    It's fucking Lidl, fuck them.

    Yeah agreed, lets have more people on social welfare in this dump of a country with all their "rights" intact. Who do they think they are paying workers wages, tax to the government , providing cheap goods, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Drake66


    robinph wrote: »
    Wasn't it a multi-pack of crisps? I'm sure he'd have forgotten about it as soon as he started the next packet.

    The only reason a 5 year old would give a damn is if his mother was over reacting about the situation afterwards.

    To be honest the veracity of that statement is impossible to prove. Being grabbed by a stranger, being called a thief and being taken away from his mother is something I speculate that a child of 5 would remember.
    ‘When I saw he wasn’t behind me I shouted for him and a woman asked me if he was the little blond boy back in the shop.
    ‘Then she said “He’s been grabbed by a girl in the shop and been dragged back inside”.
    ‘The girl had jumped out of her seat behind the till and pulled him back and accused him of stealing.
    ‘I went back into the shop and he was crying and the girl had the packet of crisps and popcorn I’d given him to carry for me.
    ‘I got really angry when I saw a mark on his arm where he’d been grabbed.
    ‘The girl said she hadn’t grabbed him but everybody saw it all and said she had,’ said 40-year-old Rachel.
    The mother of three showed the store manager her receipt, and despite an apology from him the checkout girl refused to say sorry.
    So she decided to take legal action on behalf of her son after the incident in June last year.
    ‘It could have been all over if she’d said sorry there and then, but she refused to.
    ‘I went across to my mother Patricia’s house as she lives across the road.
    ‘I was really upset and she told me to go back and demand the girl apologise.
    ‘When she didn’t I decided to go to my solicitor.’
    Soccer-mad Tadhg won his case for defamation of character, false imprisonment and assault in the Circuit Civil Court yesterday, but his legal team turned down Lidl’s first offer of £2,100 in damages.
    They agreed to settle when the German-owned supermarket chain upped the cash offer to £6,200

    Clearly this was a case of poor staff training; trying refute the right of an innocent party to receive damages is erroneous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Drake66


    sesna wrote: »
    :rolleyes:
    How is 6000 euro damages against a legitimate business for the incompetence of one clueless worker, whose sloppy actions resulted in nothing more than a minor inconvenience to a mother, getting off lightly? As for the distress and trauma the mother suffered from this experience...

    Legitimate businesses still need to train their workers correctly.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭sesna


    Drake66 wrote: »
    Legitimate businesses still need to train their workers correctly.

    Obviously. The poster said 6,000 euro was getting off lightly. Perhaps you could shed some light on a more appropriate award.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 rumby


    i work in the retail business. it is almost impossible to be positive that someone has stolen something. the company policy is only to approach someone when they have left the shop as up to then they have an opportunity to pay. the whole culture of claiming for health and safety and allegations has rocketed on th last two years


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    I got 5 grand from HMV when I was 16 for the same thing. accosted and cornered on grafton street by an off duty guard/security guard. threatened and held by the dude. **** them,it got me though college without having to claim a grant.


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