Ireland highest emigration rate in the EU.

Killer Pigeon · 28-07-2010 05:47PM

What about all the massive insects and spiders in Australia. No thank you I'd rather stay in Ireland. And as a ginger I don't think I'd be suited with the weather down under. Thank You.

Chinasea · 28-07-2010 05:48PM

and I very much doubt that there is a thread like the countless racist onces on Boards.ie in New York, Canada, London and Nigeria ranting amount the influx of Irish Emmigrants taking up their jobs and in the case of the UK sponging of their welfare system

RachPie · 28-07-2010 05:48PM

My boyfriend's a ginger and he grew up in Aussie.

Just sayin'.

My name is URL · 28-07-2010 05:55PM

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Why?

If you are a citizen of this country, you are entitled to the free education the Gov offers, one of the few good things they do.

Also, if you live in this country, you will be paying taxes and contributing to the State.

It's not about whether you've payed taxes, it's about whether you're going to lend the country back what it has invested in you. If 40% of Irish doctors work abroad after availing of the same opportunity as someone who may have missed out by a single percentage point on their leaving cert really fair on either them or the country as a whole?

Mike 1972 · 28-07-2010 05:58PM

RachPie wrote: »

But it could be worse, we could all have loans like English (sic) students.

Actually theres a lot to be said a system of loans provided its:
1) Available to everyone
2) Sufficent to cover tuition fees and living expenses of a student studying fullime away from home
3) Repayable at low/zero interest as a percentage of ones income above a certain threshold

A loan system which fulfilled all the above criteria could be more effective at delivering third level education to those who otherwise couldnt afford it than the current system of grants. It would also be less open to waste/abuse

RachPie · 28-07-2010 06:01PM

I get what you're saying, but I'd rather not be in debt at the age of 18.

HalloweenJack · 28-07-2010 06:02PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It's not about whether you've payed taxes, it's about whether you're going to lend the country back what it has invested in you.

Why should you?

If you're a citizen and you pay your taxes, the Gov should provide for you. You don't owe them anything.

28-07-2010 06:03PM

RachPie wrote: »

Free education is sort of questionable, seeing as they raised the fees, plus the cost of books and accomodation.
I wonder how people without grants pay for it all
But it could be worse, we could all have loans like English students.

It actually doesn't cost much more money to study in England than Ireland. The only reason most English students have loans is that they don't expect their parents to fund them through college. I went to Trinity, got free fees but had to pay for my accommodation and living costs with a loan and a part time job. Most of the Irish students just got Mammy and Daddy to pay for everything. It's not as if English students take out loans just for the fees.

Mike 1972 · 28-07-2010 06:05PM

RachPie wrote: »

I'd rather not be in debt at the age of 18.

Id rather not have to get myself into debt in order to own a new car/house/whatever frivilous purchaces I can run up on my credit card when the government can pay for it.

Do you think I have much of a case ?

My name is URL wrote: »

There should be a stipulation on students availing of subsidised education.. particularly those studying for the most vital professions; (doctors etc) which states that unless they agree to stay in the country for a set amount of time after graduating, they'll be required to either attend college abroad or forfeit their placement to somebody who is happy to work here for a time

How do you propose to implement this ?

Are you planning on building one of these :eek:

Still it might provide some unemployed bricklayers with a bit of work ? :pac:

RachPie · 28-07-2010 06:06PM

I know - just making the point that I wouldn't like to be in debt, is all.
For the record, I pay for my own education myself, no mammy and daddy involved. But I do get your point.

mojesius · 28-07-2010 06:08PM

Rebekah Shaggy Putter wrote: »

It actually doesn't cost much more money to study in England than Ireland. The only reason most English students have loans is that they don't expect their parents to fund them through college. I went to Trinity, got free fees but had to pay for my accommodation and living costs with a loan and a part time job. Most of the Irish students just got Mammy and Daddy to pay for everything. It's not as if English students take out loans just for the fees.

Yup, most people in my undergrad didn't work at all and there was only 20 contact hours per week. They went out 4/5 nights a week and most were on grants and subsidised by parents for three years. Ridiculous.

RachPie · 28-07-2010 06:09PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Id rather not have to get myself into debt in order to own a new car/house/whatever frivilous purchaces I can run up on my credit card when the government can pay for it.

Do you think I have much of a case ?

How can you compare being in debt for an education to buying cars? Education is not a frivolity. If the students are staying in the country after the government has paid for their education, they will contribute tax back (far more than the grant value). That's one problem though, the education is suffering a "brain drain" and students are emigrating.
But personally, I would rather not be in debt for my education.

_Kaz_ · 28-07-2010 06:09PM

HalloweenJack wrote: »

I have a love-hate relationship with Ireland. I'm proud to be Irish but I hate living here.

Same, for pretty much all the reasons already mentioned - government, weather, quality of life, price of everything - driving me away to Canada, wahoo!

RachPie · 28-07-2010 06:09PM

mojesius wrote: »

Yup, most people in my undergrad didn't work at all and there was only 20 contact hours per week. They went out 4/5 nights a week and most were on grants and subsidised by parents for three years. Ridiculous.

I do see the exploitation side to it too, which is ridiculous.

I_AmThe_Walrus · 28-07-2010 06:12PM

Leaving Ireland has almost become taboo among us and for the life of me, I cannot fathom why...

I've met a lot of people who almost want you to fail abroad so you can come back to them and admit you were wrong. Almost no one is prepared to support your plans for a better life; perhaps it's jealousy, I'm not sure.

If you're educated and have received the necessary qualifications for a guaranteed occupation elsewhere, then what is holding you back? It seems pretty straight forward regarding your decision-making.

A majority of the young people I know who are in a position to do well, don't seem to portray the bottle to make that step. One just needs the intelligence to organise accommodation and minimum funds to support oneself for a few months until said employment can be secured. It's not rocket science, but it does take a little research and observation of your life as a whole, what you want from it and, more importantly, where you expect yourself to be in 15 years.

A major factor I found myself thorn between is that of the loneliness conundrum. I lived in Amsterdam and Sao Paulo for a signifigant amount of time and I nothing but great experiences which I've taken on board - thus, between me and you, I am a better person for it.

I don't see failure as the be all and end all. Failure makes you a better person, a more developed mind and an experienced one at that. The old saying rings true, there is no success without risk. If you're not willing to try and change your life, then nobody is going to knock on the door tomorrow morning with answers. YOU have to make things happen.

It's YOUR life, take hold of it...

There is happiness and security elsewhere so don't let anyone tell you any different. Will it be hard, yes. But can you succeed, absolutely. Several members of my immediate family emigrated to all corners of the world during the sixties and eighties. To them, Ireland is not Home anymore.

I look forward to my Happiness elsewhere. But by being Irish, I hope someone can secure the reigns at the helm when the time comes for a new beginning and make this country great again. Not to just live within someone elses handout, but to be the best we can be.

Then, I may return wholeheartedly, to support a Government with ideals I am proud to follow.

Mike 1972 · 28-07-2010 06:17PM

RachPie wrote: »

How can you compare being in debt for an education to buying cars?

How can you justify requiring someone who may have been denied a third level education for themselves/their kids having to pay for yours just because you would rather not pay for it yourself.

RachPie wrote: »

Education is not a frivolity

In the case of some courses that is pretty much open to debate

RachPie wrote: »

Education is not a frivolity

Niether is having a roof over ones head but people are still expected to take out a mortgage

The Saint · 28-07-2010 06:41PM

Left home 6 monts ago. I was never going to find work in Ireland in my field. Was very lucky to get a foot in the door somewhere and I'm still there. The work is exactly what I wanted and the place I am is one of the most interesting places there is, for a number of reasons, mostly not positive. But I'm very happy here.

RachPie · 28-07-2010 06:48PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

How can you justify requiring someone who may have been denied a third level education for themselves/their kids having to pay for yours just because you would rather not pay for it yourself.

In the case of some courses that is pretty much open to debate

Niether is having a roof over ones head but people are still expected to take out a mortgage

I think we should just agree to disagree.

K-9 · 28-07-2010 06:54PM

Some of the people who leave will be no loss, some will be missed. Same as it always was.

InTheTrees · 28-07-2010 07:16PM

Ireland is a small country with well educated outward looking citizens, its only natural they should venture out into the world especially when times are hard.

I left 20 years ago but I come back more and more often now.

jackiebaron · 28-07-2010 07:28PM

I_AmThe_Walrus wrote: »

As a matter of fact, I am planning to leave.

Most of my childhood friends have already hit the road, specifically during the last year - Canada, Australia, UK and even Brazil (where the money will be in 10 year because of their growing economy). A lot of people view it as an "in" thing where it's cool to go away but the fact is, there just isn't any openings with our skills at the moment.

I don't buy into this patriotic excuse our Government is asking of us to stay and get us out of a hole - people need to work and earn a living. By the same token, these are the people who have totally neglected the blatant corruption over the last number of years within the civil service.

If it's a choice between earning a good income, living happy abroad and learning something about the world or staying here in a cesspool of high cost of living, with little or no return, I would be on the next plane in a heartbeat. It just doesn't make sense, financially, to stay put anymore.

Fair point, Walrus-man. Government and banks in Ireland are cocksuckers and they want YOU to suck it up. I left Ireland in 1990 after I graduated (I'm an old fart now at 41). Lived in New York for seven years and then moved back to Mother Europe (Amsterdam). I'm a computer engineer and while I never made it big like the dot.com chancers or the Illuminati of the software world, I've always been in the 70k+ bracket a year. When I would pop home to dublin at chrimbo I'd have these upstarts in the pub telling me that they are plumbers and are going to Dubai on a bender for New Year's and how I wasted four years of my life studying Mathematics and Engineering. Now they're all scratching and wondering where it all went wrong.
These are the cnuts who joined the work force when things were glossy. I being 6 or 7 years older than them know what the recessions of the 80's and early 90's were all about. So to me I've lived poverty before tasting honey. These little fools have only known good times.....and pompous they were during them too.

Like I said, I live in Amsterdam now (second lowest unemployment in Europe after Austria) and I would recommend it. Just depends on what you can do. I would avoid the US. That place is finished.

If you've got an aptitude for languages, learn Mandarin. It's not as difficult as you think. I took a 16 week (1 night 3 hours) course in Amsterdam and can read children's books.

I'll tell you right now though. Ireland ain't coming back for another 10 years so don't let these bullsh1t artists with their "green shoots" of recovery fool you.

Peace.

jackiebaron · 28-07-2010 07:36PM

jester77 wrote: »

I'm gone 8 or 9 years, no regrets thus far. Went total loopy back in Ireland, I'd come home for a visit and would have to laugh at the guys in what would be considered average earning jobs in any other country building mansions, driving big cars and acting like big shots. I couldn't go to the pub but would get asked about the price of houses and what the market was like where I was I'm not surprised that things have turned out as they have.

I was in the local pub on Christmas Eve in 2007 and some little bollocks who looked like he couldn't add 2 and 2 was yapping on about buying a FÜCKING racehorse with a few other plonkers. The horse is probably in his freezer now for sunday dinners.

jackiebaron · 28-07-2010 07:46PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

What about all the massive insects and spiders in Australia. No thank you I'd rather stay in Ireland. And as a ginger I don't think I'd be suited with the weather down under. Thank You.

It's cold and wet there in Summer (their winter).

I_AmThe_Walrus · 28-07-2010 07:49PM

jackiebaron wrote: »

Fair point, Walrus-man. Government and banks in Ireland are cocksuckers and they want YOU to suck it up. I left Ireland in 1990 after I graduated (I'm an old fart now at 41). Lived in New York for seven years and then moved back to Mother Europe (Amsterdam). I'm a computer engineer and while I never made it big like the dot.com chancers or the Illuminati of the software world, I've always been in the 70k+ bracket a year. When I would pop home to dublin at chrimbo I'd have these upstarts in the pub telling me that they are plumbers and are going to Dubai on a bender for New Year's and how I wasted four years of my life studying Mathematics and Engineering. Now they're all scratching and wondering where it all went wrong.
These are the cnuts who joined the work force when things were glossy. I being 6 or 7 years older than them know what the recessions of the 80's and early 90's were all about. So to me I've lived poverty before tasting honey. These little fools have only known good times.....and pompous they were during them too.

Like I said, I live in Amsterdam now (second lowest unemployment in Europe after Austria) and I would recommend it. Just depends on what you can do. I would avoid the US. That place is finished.

If you've got an aptitude for languages, learn Mandarin. It's not as difficult as you think. I took a 16 week (1 night 3 hours) course in Amsterdam and can read children's books.

I'll tell you right now though. Ireland ain't coming back for another 10 years so don't let these bullsh1t artists with their "green shoots" of recovery fool you.

Peace.

I admire your drive and outlook. Most people are too small-sighted to see the benefits on the "other side". I find it humorous that you feel these people you see when you come back have lost touch with what you portray as reality. This is the same position I find myself in.

I worked in Sao Paulo several years ago and now, coming back, I've found that the things that seem important to me are just irrelevant to those I considered closest to me in the past. It's like we were born millions of miles away. I've always thought it was something wrong with me but perhaps, I'm just lucky to be one of the "enlightened" one's for lack of a better word.

I truly believe there is something better out there. Good luck!

jackiebaron · 28-07-2010 07:59PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It's not about whether you've payed taxes, it's about whether you're going to lend the country back what it has invested in you. If 40% of Irish doctors work abroad after availing of the same opportunity as someone who may have missed out by a single percentage point on their leaving cert really fair on either them or the country as a whole?

What the country has INVESTED in you???? I went to Trinity in the 80's and paid about 1500 pounds a year for my degrees. So I paid (summers serving drinks to knobheads in country clubs in New York footed my bill). But even if it was free.....that's 6 GRAND for a degree in Engineering. I think I'm entitled to FÜCK off out of the country seeing as my mother, a humble nurse and single parent paid enough taxes which rarely made her life any better but rather stewed in the coffers to be paid (or embezzled) by cockroaches like Haughey and the vermin who vomited forth in his wake.

I've no problem paying my way, but don't make me feel guilty for walking off the job when I'm being given something that's mine already.

You don't bark at people who leave the country after receiving a (FREE) secondary school education. Why is a tertiary one any different?

My name is URL · 28-07-2010 08:22PM

jackiebaron wrote: »

I think I'm entitled to

Ah, the old sense of entitlement. If somebody who wants to actively help their country improve; loses out on an opportunity to gain qualifications to do so, to those who are intent to 'FCUK off', then they aren't entitled to anything.. doesn't matter what their parents have done.. they haven't abandoned the place while disallowing someone else to take their place in our society.

28-07-2010 08:31PM

I still have a job at the moment so I'll probably be clinging on to it for as long as I can. But if I lose it then I'll certainly consider leaving. Not sure I'd be able to though, have lots of experience but not much on paper.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-07-2010 08:38PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Ah, the old sense of entitlement. If somebody who wants to actively help their country improve; loses out on an opportunity to gain qualifications to do so, to those who are intent to 'fcuk off', then they aren't entitled to anything.. doesn't matter what they're parents have done.. they haven't abandoned the place while disallowing someone else to take their place in our society.

You can't help a country improve when said country has no interest in improving.

CamperMan · 28-07-2010 08:52PM

RachPie wrote: »

What is is that you find the worst about this country - is it the Government, the lack of jobs, what?

sh!t government
sh!t health system
cost of living is through the roof
sh!t weather
no jobs
no money
government are cutting services everywhere
absolutly feck all to do... damn bored

InTheTrees · 28-07-2010 08:54PM

jackiebaron wrote: »

I would avoid the US. That place is finished.

There's still some life left in it yet, but i'd agree with you if they dont get their politics sorted out.

Ireland highest emigration rate in the EU.

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