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Getting the best out of your old consoles

  • 28-07-2010 01:44PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,028 ✭✭✭✭
    Master of the Universe


    Thought it might be a good idea to write up a guide as to how to get the best display out of your consoles for anyone who is a bit unsure. I've been hearing people mention RF cables and LCDs. (The horror)

    Starting with the wiring -

    RF - chances are, your older console had one of these when you took it down out of the attic. A lot of people are going to be taking this and connecting it to an LCD. The result will look like ass. In fact it'll be worse than ass. Ass you can barely see. Detail is blurred, colours washed out and you might even have some nasty interferance. Good luck reading small text too. Take these cables and burn them. Or throw them in the bin. They do not deserve to exist.

    RGB/Fake RGB

    Oh look, it's two scart cables.

    big_profigold_pgv7393_3m.jpg

    No wait, it's not.

    On closer inspection, one looks like this -

    Fake-scart-brkn.jpg

    The other, this -

    scartscart.jpg

    The first one is fake scart. This is pretty much just AV. They give the false illusion of being scart due to the casing. Don't be fooled.

    The second one is true RGB scart. This has all the pins, including the ones that support RGB. These are the best audio/video quality cables for your older consoles and you'll want to be buying one for every unit you own. The increase in quality is dramatic. If a console supports this (Most do, bar the N64 and RF only units like the Atari 2600) then get one. They're between 10-15 euro on average.

    /edit - RGB scart only requires eight pins. So it is possible you have a cable missing pins but it still supports RGB.

    Check the pinout diagram here on the Scart wikipage to make sure -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART

    RGB scart also has another fantastic little up side. You can use RGB cables to play NTSC consoles on your PAL television without the image turning black and white. Hurrah! Time to start importing NTSC consoles.

    With RGB, the main thing here is to make sure you plug the cable into the right scart socket on the back of the TV. As most of them only have one that is capable of supporting RGB, the other isn't. You'll also probably want to invest in a scart switch box to go to this connection if you have multiple consoles. Make sure to get one of the boxes with buttons. As far as I am aware, the auto detection ones can cause loss of quality.

    Televisions -

    I guess for many, widescreen LCDs are going to be the only option. Which is a shame as the picture really does looks ****e. I weep for the day when this is all we can use.

    Anyway, if you can, salvage an old CRT.

    Aspect ratio and size are always going to be debatable, but personally after a few different sized sets I've found that 28 inch 4:3 aspect ratio is the best for older games. The screen is big enough to go 'wow, a nice big image!' but not too big as to make everything look like lego blocks. Plus you don't get any of that widescreen distortion.

    Anyway, that's it for the moment. I hope as a result of that many RF/AV cables get thrown in the bin :)


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,828 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Thanks for this. I hate RF cables but hate AV cables even more and I'm amazed that people with a 360 or PS3 still use them because the image quality is so bad out of them. RGB improves the picture so much it's like going from one generation of consoles to the next. The jump from AV to RGB is massive, I felt even the jumpin quality from RGB to 720p wasn't as big. You really aren't getting the full experience with out RGB.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,565 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    RGB is a must. I hate scart.. but I will not be throwing them out (hoarder) just not using them.

    I always buy RGB's for all my consoles on ebay even if they came with them because I Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate crap SD

    I'm very fussy when it comes to stuff like that, I play my PS3 with component because of my PVR and it's 1080i when I go to my nephews house to play, he has full 1080p and I actually notice the difference... Sad really :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,028 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Tallon wrote: »
    RGB is a must. I hate scart.. but I will not be throwing them out (hoarder) just not using them.

    p

    Hoarding is the first step to using. Kill them! Wipe them off the face of the earth!

    I know what you mean about AV Retr0. I think people see a scart connection case so automatically think 'ah, scart..I can use this'. When they are just plain wrong. So wrong.

    At least RF doesn't try to fool people into thinking it's anything else.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 470 ✭✭Joe Musashi


    My Dreamcast cable is missing plenty of the pins on it. :mad: The picture looks good though.

    I seem to have a dud rgb scart cable? It's meant to be this one -

    medscaledcscart.jpg


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,828 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I got an official DC scart cable as well and it has pins missing but the picture quality looks good.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,028 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Check the pin out diagram on the wiki page and see if it has the RGB pins -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART

    The ones I have for older consoles that are missing pins are all missing RGB pins and only have the AV ones. Not sure if I've checked my Dreamcast one though. Perhaps it still includes the RGB pins.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,828 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    It's the official sega one that has the pins missing. I'll check when I get home if I'm not playing starcraft 2.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,828 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Just read somewhere else that to get an RGB signal all you need is 8 pins:

    Red
    Green
    Blue
    Sync
    Video
    Audio left
    Audio right

    Although that's 7???

    Most of the other pins are grounding pins, s-video pins and composite pins.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,828 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    This is rather interesting for audio/visual-philes:

    http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/gamescart/gamescart.htm

    Anyway if you've got these:

    Composite_Cable.jpg

    then you are doing it wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,028 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Just read somewhere else that to get an RGB signal all you need is 8 pins:

    Red
    Green
    Blue
    Sync
    Video
    Audio left
    Audio right

    Although that's 7???

    Most of the other pins are grounding pins, s-video pins and composite pins.

    OP edited.

    I guess two other things that could be included are LCD lag and lightgun features.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,183 ✭✭✭✭Atavan-Halen


    I'm actually quite ashamed to say I only have proper scart for the megadrive and rf for the dreamcast and 2600. AV for everything else :'(

    I'll get some proper cables one day. I can't believe I used av for my 360 for so long. As soon as I got a new tv with HDMI it was hooked up straight away with that. Now it's running lovely at 1080p.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,028 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    rf Dreamcast? Jesus man, that's like trying to watch HD television on a tv from the 50s with a coat hanger for an aerial. Insanity!

    You need to do what I did a while ago. Just go on an RGB blitz on ebay. It does add up, but it stops you going blind. So I guess it's worth it in the end.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,828 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    The cables are cheap and they make such a massice difference. The day you try them out I bet you'll spend the day just playing all your favourite games to see just how good they should look. They shpuld be priority no. 1!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,028 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I had to test out a Megadrive 1 to see if it was working a while ago and the only option was RF. The picture was so bad I thought the console might be broken. When I got the Scart cable for it it turns out it was working perfectly. That's just how bad RF looked. I was horrified. Wish I could go back in time 20 years and give myself the proper feckin cable.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,828 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    When I got my DC it came with RF. I hooked it up, booted up Soul Calibur, turned it on in disgust and went on playasia and ordered an RGB cable. Didn't turn on the DC until it arrived.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    Well my DC I cant even make out the picture when I hook it up RF style, its horrible, completly unplayable, Think there might even be somthing wrong with it.

    I'll get a RGB cable for it anyway and see what the story is then


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Is this the foundation thread of an Anti-RF group? Will the charter be ammended to include bannings of RF discussion? Find the answers to these questions, and more, @ rfandcompositesignalsmakeo1s1nsbloodboil.org


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    This reminds me of Toy Story, with the Plastic Corrosion Awareness Meeting!

    Get the most out of your old consoles:
    Plug them in and play them now and again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,028 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Get the most out of your old consoles:
    Plug them in and play them now and again!

    Indeed! Get off that computer and up into your attic :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Jack burton


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,028 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Hahahahahaha!

    I need that on a tshirt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    Well I have MySoti store open now so i might do a proper deign and throw it up there


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I have an unfortunate few RFs still in action, and many composites as well.
    I may have to abdicate my mod-hood of the A&R forums due to this obscenity. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,028 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    100 lashes with an RGB cable for all those who obscene and blaspheme against the church of no RF/AV.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Thing is, and i'm sorry to bring this up, but perhaps there is an elitist element here, amongst the A&R troop.
    I know it sounds incredible, it sounds like it couldn't possibly be true, but I fear it is.
    Case and point, most irish people who ever played Sonic the Hedgehog, drunk or not, played it at 50hz, on a PAL crt, probably a 19" colour portable, in mono, via an RF.
    If they were really lucky they played it on a 25" colour crt, via a composite scart.
    Same with Starwing on the Snes, most players played the stunted choppy piece of crap and not the if not silky at least smoother NTSC version our American and Nipponese cousins got to play, and one again through the same range of tv sets as before.

    Now I know this thread is "getting the best from your retro consoles" but I'd just thought I add that in, just to engender some forgiveness for my lack of RGB/Component cableness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    Get him boys!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    I add that in, just to engender some forgiveness for my lack of RGB/Component cableness.

    There's just no hiding it Cider, we are bigger geeks than you :p Enjoy your lashes. Actually o1s1n, if your administering the punishment, may I suggest the use of component cables over the traditional RGB whip? Given the extra connectors, it might act as a cat-o-nine tails type whip. Probably only for the extreme cases, but Cider is a mod now & should know better :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,028 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Thing is, and i'm sorry to bring this up, but perhaps there is an elitist element here, amongst the A&R troop.
    I know it sounds incredible, it sounds like it couldn't possibly be true, but I fear it is.
    Case and point, most irish people who ever played Sonic the Hedgehog, drunk or not, played it at 50hz, on a PAL crt, probably a 19" colour portable, in mono, via an RF.
    If they were really lucky they played it on a 25" colour crt, via a composite scart.
    Same with Starwing on the Snes, most players played the stunted choppy piece of crap and not the if not silky at least smoother NTSC version our American and Nipponese cousins got to play, and one again through the same range of tv sets as before.

    Now I know this thread is "getting the best from your retro consoles" but I'd just thought I add that in, just to engender some forgiveness for my lack of RGB/Component cableness.

    Favouring better picture over crap picture and wanting games to run at the speed they were intended is not elitist.

    Looking down on people who don't own a Neo Geo AES, now that's elitist.

    Kiss my Hardcore gaming shoes, you lower class philistines.
    EnterNow wrote: »
    Actually o1s1n, if your administering the punishment, may I suggest the use of component cables over the traditional RGB whip? Given the extra connectors, it might act as a cat-o-nine tails type whip. Probably only for the extreme cases, but Cider is a mod now & should know better :D

    You genius! You may be my second in command. My torturer if you will.


  • Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I got an RGB cable for my Nintendo consoles from eBay last year. While it does have the full 21 pins and does work in RGB, there's some nasty moiré patterns in the picture. I'm assuming there's something duff about the cable?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,183 ✭✭✭✭Atavan-Halen


    o1s1n wrote: »
    You genius! You may be my second in command. My torturer if you will.

    *Runs for hills*


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