Air traffic controller jobs

oglaigh · 27-07-2010 11:45AM #1

Just as a heads up for those who are interested. IAA will be advertising for positions in the Air Traffic Controller Programme from the 29th of July. Applications are being accepted until the 18th of August.

Good luck to anyone who's going for it:)

Jammyc · 27-07-2010 03:35PM

Got the letter in the post today. Gonna apply at least. If I get through the Aptitude test, I'll then decide wether to drop out of college or not if I'm offered. Doubt it though. Sure it'll be an experience.

highlydebased · 27-07-2010 04:15PM

Jammyc wrote: »

Got the letter in the post today. Gonna apply at least. If I get through the Aptitude test, I'll then decide wether to drop out of college or not if I'm offered. Doubt it though. Sure it'll be an experience.

Also got the letter. I'll be in a similar situation to you..

Omega28 · 27-07-2010 06:20PM

do u need any qualifications to apply?

Also how do u go about applying?

thanks

Melion · 27-07-2010 06:21PM

Where are they going to be advertising the positions?

jenga-jen · 27-07-2010 08:19PM

DyanMc111 / Melion

The jobs will appear here: http://www.iaa.ie/index.jsp?p=98&n=126

They will be open for applications from July 29th until noon on August 18th [just as oglaigh stated] and they've specified in the letters sent out that they're accepting online applications only.

It's unlikely that any extra information will be put in the printed ads in newspapers that won't appear on the website above so if I was you I'd just have a look here on Thursday

G'luck!

highlydebased · 27-07-2010 08:22PM

Dylanmc111 wrote: »

do u need any qualifications to apply?

Also how do u go about applying?

thanks

"Applicants must be 19 years of age and have a Leaving Certificate with five passes (including Maths) with a Grade C in at least two higher level papers. An equivalent second level qualification may be acceptable."

shanemort · 27-07-2010 10:24PM

What type of Salary are you taking about when fully trained and in the Job

Danbo! · 27-07-2010 10:57PM

God damn colour blindness

Jammyc · 27-07-2010 11:53PM

Just a question,

the medical to be an ATCO. What are the requirements? Is it a Class 1 Medical or what?

lintdrummer · 28-07-2010 01:02AM

I also got a letter in the post this week. Will be going for the aptitude test and sure we'll see what happens!

shanemort wrote: »

What type of Salary are you taking about when fully trained and in the Job

Well it's around €19,000 allowance p.a. while training (which takes 2 years) according to IAA website.

It doesn't give any indication of salary though as far as i can see.

A friend told me he knows a guy who has qualified this year and is starting at 45k.

That's just word of mouth, wouldn't take it as gospel.

watch999 · 29-07-2010 08:37AM

My brother is interested in applying for one of these positions but with a mortgage and other commitments etc he is worried whether its do-able for 2 years on approx 18k.

Is there anyone here who can tell me about the format of the training?
Will it be similiar to school/college as in 9-5 Mon- Friday or is the course more intense hour-wise?

Do ye think he would be able to work part time at weekends or is the course so intensive that all his time would have to be devoted?

Is there any holidays during the 2 year term?

Thanks guys

jenga-jen · 29-07-2010 10:39AM

watch999 wrote: »

My brother is interested in applying for one of these positions but with a mortgage and other commitments etc he is worried whether its do-able for 2 years on approx 18k.

Is there anyone here who can tell me about the format of the training?
Will it be similiar to school/college as in 9-5 Mon- Friday or is the course more intense hour-wise?

Do ye think he would be able to work part time at weekends or is the course so intensive that all his time would have to be devoted?

Is there any holidays during the 2 year term?

Thanks guys

The info given officially on the training format is at: http://www.iaa.ie/index.jsp?p=98&n=382

This details pretty much week by week how the training will be set out. As far as I know, the lecture/study periods are run in normal office hours in the training facility. Other than that I'm not too sure about the On-Job Training section as to whether that will be shift or not.

From what I've heard from people studying with NATS in the UK there's a good amount of self study to be done while you're training so it'd depend on him whether he could work part time.

It might be worth him looking into taking a 'holiday' from his mortgage. Most banks if you have a good history with them will allow you to take a 1-2 break from mortgage payments in which he would only have to pay the interest. This would probably make the 18k go further

Maybe someone else can help you with more detail on the training/leave from experience but the above link might help with the general outline.

bazzachazza · 29-07-2010 10:52AM

As far as I know, the lecture/study periods are run in normal office hours in the training facility. Other than that I'm not too sure about the On-Job Training section as to whether that will be shift or not.

Alternate employment is strictly NOT allowed.

OJTI will be on shift work.

All students can expect to be based in Shannon for there initial portion of the careers until a transfer becomes available for Dublin or Cork. Which can take up to 10 years+ to get.

Jammyc · 29-07-2010 11:10AM

Didnt realise it would be such a fecker of an application form. Ok this is gonna take a while.

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 11:50AM

Jammyc wrote: »

Just a question,

the medical to be an ATCO. What are the requirements? Is it a Class 1 Medical or what?

class 1 afaik

.danindudlin · 29-07-2010 12:40PM

This seems quite odd. Seriously impacts your salary for the first 4 years :

Students will incur no liability to training costs in the following circumstances:
- Where they have their training contract terminated by the Authority
- Where Students terminate their training contract prior to the achievement of a rating
- Where Students are not offered employment with the Authority
Students will incur liability to training costs in the following circumstances:
(a) Where they achieve an ICAO rating they will repay partial training costs of €50,000. Deductions will commence on attainment of the ICAO rating at the rate of €500 per fortnight until paid in full.
(b) Where they achieve a rating and subsequently terminate their training contract prior to an offer of employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the Irish Aviation Authority they will be required to repay partial training costs of €85,000 on leaving.
(c) Where Students achieve a rating and refuse an offer of employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the IAA they will be required to repay partial training costs of €85,000 on leaving.
(d) Where Students accept employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the
Authority and subsequently serve for less than 4 years they will be
required to repay partial training costs as follows, in addition to any
balance outstanding from application of paragraph (a) above:
Service as an ATCO (Operational)
Less than 1 year €35,000
1 to 2 years €25,000
2 to 3 years €15,000
3 to 4 years €5,000

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 12:57PM

.danindudlin wrote: »

This seems quite odd. Seriously impacts your salary for the first 4 years :

Students will incur no liability to training costs in the following circumstances:
- Where they have their training contract terminated by the Authority
- Where Students terminate their training contract prior to the achievement of a rating
- Where Students are not offered employment with the Authority
Students will incur liability to training costs in the following circumstances:
(a) Where they achieve an ICAO rating they will repay partial training costs of €50,000. Deductions will commence on attainment of the ICAO rating at the rate of €500 per fortnight until paid in full.
(b) Where they achieve a rating and subsequently terminate their training contract prior to an offer of employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the Irish Aviation Authority they will be required to repay partial training costs of €85,000 on leaving.
(c) Where Students achieve a rating and refuse an offer of employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the IAA they will be required to repay partial training costs of €85,000 on leaving.
(d) Where Students accept employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the
Authority and subsequently serve for less than 4 years they will be
required to repay partial training costs as follows, in addition to any
balance outstanding from application of paragraph (a) above:
Service as an ATCO (Operational)
Less than 1 year €35,000
1 to 2 years €25,000
2 to 3 years €15,000
3 to 4 years €5,000

nothing new there it is just like a training bond that some airlines put in their contracts,you got to remember once you get a rating you can go any where in the world. also the class 1 med is 600e which is also covered by the IAA.

deaglan169 · 29-07-2010 01:33PM

anyone having problems submitting their application mine wont go through i press select and it just refreshes the page tried IE aswell as Mozilla

jenga-jen · 29-07-2010 05:27PM

I'm having trouble as well. It refreshes the page and if I scroll down it marks the 2-4 sections of 'Third Level Education' as 'Required!'!?!

How many qualifications do they want?!

gilmore · 29-07-2010 05:54PM

.danindudlin wrote: »

This seems quite odd. Seriously impacts your salary for the first 4 years :

Students will incur no liability to training costs in the following circumstances:
- Where they have their training contract terminated by the Authority
- Where Students terminate their training contract prior to the achievement of a rating
- Where Students are not offered employment with the Authority
Students will incur liability to training costs in the following circumstances:
(a) Where they achieve an ICAO rating they will repay partial training costs of €50,000. Deductions will commence on attainment of the ICAO rating at the rate of €500 per fortnight until paid in full.
(b) Where they achieve a rating and subsequently terminate their training contract prior to an offer of employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the Irish Aviation Authority they will be required to repay partial training costs of €85,000 on leaving.
(c) Where Students achieve a rating and refuse an offer of employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the IAA they will be required to repay partial training costs of €85,000 on leaving.
(d) Where Students accept employment as an ATCO (Operational) with the
Authority and subsequently serve for less than 4 years they will be
required to repay partial training costs as follows, in addition to any
balance outstanding from application of paragraph (a) above:
Service as an ATCO (Operational)
Less than 1 year €35,000
1 to 2 years €25,000
2 to 3 years €15,000
3 to 4 years €5,000

Anyone know what kind of money you'd be earning once you're qualified?
€500 per fortnight is a huge amount of money to be paying back for 4 years. Also, would this be a deduction from net or gross pay? Thanks in advance.

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 06:00PM

afaik starting off it's about 40/50k it then goes up with service/experience upto about 140k

bazzachazza · 29-07-2010 07:53PM

donkey balls wrote: »

afaik starting off it's about 40/50k it then goes up with service/experience upto about 140k

Incorrect.

After graduation €60000 approx pa up to max €108000 for controller or €115000 as a station manager.

zig · 29-07-2010 08:08PM

depressing to think how many will be actually applying for this but ill give it a go anyway

Gumbo · 29-07-2010 08:56PM

donkey balls wrote: »

afaik starting off it's about 40/50k it then goes up with service/experience upto about 140k

bazzachazza wrote: »

Incorrect.

After graduation €60000 approx pa up to max €108000 for controller or €115000 as a station manager.

The current basic Salary Scale for Operational Air Traffic Controllers is:
€50,805 – 52,413 – 54,027 – 55,642 – 57,249 – 58,869 – 60,475 – 62,088 –
€63,703 – 65,310 – 66,925 – 68,536 – 70,150 – 71,764 – 73,371 – 74,983 –
€76,599 – 78,209

All of the above points are exclusive of 27% shift allowance. All Students who successfully complete all aspects of the Student Controller Programme and are offered a contract as an Operational Air Traffic Controller will start at the minimum of the salary scale €50,805.

bazzachazza · 29-07-2010 09:00PM

kceire wrote: »

The current basic Salary Scale for Operational Air Traffic Controllers is:
€50,805 – 52,413 – 54,027 – 55,642 – 57,249 – 58,869 – 60,475 – 62,088 –
€63,703 – 65,310 – 66,925 – 68,536 – 70,150 – 71,764 – 73,371 – 74,983 –
€76,599 – 78,209

All of the above points are exclusive of 27% shift allowance. All Students who successfully complete all aspects of the Student Controller Programme and are offered a contract as an Operational Air Traffic Controller will start at the minimum of the salary scale €50,805.

+27% shift allowance = €64522. They will start on that, shift allowance IS included in pay.;)

Shelga · 29-07-2010 09:22PM

Got the letter today too, just finished my Engineering degree and would love this job! Agree with whoever said it's depressing to think how many will be applying for it though... Does anyone have an idea of what the aptitude test entails?

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 09:24PM

Shelga wrote: »

Got the letter today too, just finished my Engineering degree and would love this job! Agree with whoever said it's depressing to think how many will be applying for it though... Does anyone have an idea of what the aptitude test entails?

yep

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 09:36PM

they do physcometric tests& spatial awarness tests etc like some airlines do

gilmore · 30-07-2010 07:27AM

kceire wrote: »

The current basic Salary Scale for Operational Air Traffic Controllers is:
€50,805 – 52,413 – 54,027 – 55,642 – 57,249 – 58,869 – 60,475 – 62,088 –
€63,703 – 65,310 – 66,925 – 68,536 – 70,150 – 71,764 – 73,371 – 74,983 –
€76,599 – 78,209

All of the above points are exclusive of 27% shift allowance. All Students who successfully complete all aspects of the Student Controller Programme and are offered a contract as an Operational Air Traffic Controller will start at the minimum of the salary scale €50,805.

Anyone know the criteria for progression up the salary scale? Is it just tied into length of service or extra ratings qualifications or both? Thanks.

banner gal · 30-07-2010 05:07PM

zig wrote: »

depressing to think how many will be actually applying for this but ill give it a go anyway

1387 applied in 2007 for 24 places somehow id say it could double this time round
this info is on the iaa web site faq section
worth a try but will be tough process, fingers crossed

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