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Wikileaks: leak thousands of Afghan War logs

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  • #32
    clived2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭clived2


    this is from that video that was released a while back,

    check it out if you havent already



  • #33
    aidanodr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    For sake of completion this is the video of events from the Apache helicopter mentioned by Ethan McCord which caused the scene of carnage he witnessed. ITS OVER 18:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0&has_verified=1

    Aidan


  • #34
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Great website for doing this... I would absolutely hate to be American reading what the government do with their money.

    Whereas we Irish only allow them to stop off here and refuel on their way to their illegal wars..... :mad:
    Manic Moran wrote: »
    The closest we came to killing a non-combatant that I'm aware of was an incident when we hit an 8-year-old girl with a .50 cal. Didn't do her legs any good whatsoever.

    No sh*t Sherlock. :rolleyes:


  • #35
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Whereas we Irish only allow them to stop off here and refuel on their way to their illegal wars..... :mad:



    No sh*t Sherlock. :rolleyes:


    Afghanistan isnt illegal, so you obviously ment to say THE illegal war ie Iraq.

    So far it dosent look like there is any real (new) news in the leaks, except that the leak happened.

    Also, a treasure trove of intelligence for the Taliban.


  • #36
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Whereas we Irish only allow them to stop off here and refuel on their way to their illegal wars..... :mad:


    The war in Afghanistan is sanctioned by the UN.


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  • #37
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thankfully, your opinion means nothing.

    Has alot in common with our own then.


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hardy har har


  • #39
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Great website for doing this... I would absolutely hate to be American reading what the government do with their money.

    I really think you should think about it for a few seconds, some of what was released has very little has no news value, but would be of immense help to the Taliban in forming a strategic overview of the war. Completly disagree that it is unambigously "great" when information is released that will inevitablly get people killed, because it assuages the curiosity of the public.

    Although I agree all this information should be released, it has to be done with this in mind.

    Also, I hope they had the presence of mind to at least censor the names of local Afghanis who helped the goverment/ NATO forces. Hate to think that possible dozens of people will be killed in awful ways so we could have a vaguley interesting news story for a few days.


  • #40
    Snake Pliisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭Snake Pliisken


    Im waiting to see what happens to wikileaks, becuase it's at least going to be as interesting as what they manage to leak.


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Clawdeeus wrote: »
    I really think you should think about it for a few seconds, some of what was released has very little has no news value, but would be of immense help to the Taliban in forming a strategic overview of the war. Completly disagree that it is unambigously "great" when information is released that will inevitablly get people killed, because it assuages the curiosity of the public.

    Although I agree all this information should be released, it has to be done with this in mind.

    Also, I hope they had the presence of mind to at least censor the names of local Afghanis who helped the goverment/ NATO forces. Hate to think that possible dozens of people will be killed in awful ways so we could have a vaguley interesting news story for a few days.

    But I want the Americans to get absolutely destroyed over there.. I want them to get bombed to bits until they leave and stop invading countries around the world.


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  • #42
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    But I want the Americans to get absolutely destroyed over there.. I want them to get bombed to bits until they leave and stop invading countries around the world.

    Charming.


  • #43
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And that's that.


  • #44
    Snake Pliisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭Snake Pliisken


    It's not America that's doing this, it's the system that has allowed corparate interest to steer policy toward their interest- the Americans are just brainwashed at this point into thinking that they're policing the world, I don't want them all to die, I want all the greedy parasites dead.


  • #45
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    But I want the Americans to get absolutely destroyed over there.. I want them to get bombed to bits until they leave and stop invading countries around the world.

    They lost roughly 60,000 dead in Vietnam. Did they learn much?


  • #46
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Snake Pliisken wrote: »
    It's not America that's doing this, it's the system that has allowed corparate interest to steer policy toward their interest- the Americans are just brainwashed at this point into thinking that they're policing the world, I don't want them all to die, I want all the greedy parasites dead.

    Well its a UN approved mission for starters. In theory it was supposed to be a team effort. Had Bush not gone into Iraq, it might have stayed that way.


  • #47
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    You people are creepy :rolleyes: outta here.


  • #48
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Clawdeeus wrote: »
    Afghanistan isnt illegal, so you obviously ment to say THE illegal war ie Iraq.
    Einhard wrote: »
    The war in Afghanistan is sanctioned by the UN.

    :rolleyes:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)#Legal_basis_for_war


  • #49
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)#Legal_basis_for_war

    No less a scource than wikipedia... :rolleyes:


  • #50
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Clawdeeus wrote: »
    No less a scource than wikipedia... :rolleyes:

    Why do people say that? :confused:

    It's cited y'know


  • #51
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They say it when they've no other argument..


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  • #52
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Why do people say that? :confused:

    It's cited y'know

    Your right, that article isnt as bad as some. I was being flippant.

    Also it tends to be with wikipedia that its more poorely researched in that it presents one side as though it is the only side. Its usually a poor scource through ommission that anything else.

    ISAF was formed under the UN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Security_Assistance_Force ( :D )


  • #53
    Clawdeeus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Clawdeeus


    Also "in self defence" is deliberatly ambigous with regard to starting wars. The fact the UN has not condemned the war (unlike Iraq) and not labeled is as illegal (again unlike Iraq) makes it clear that, no it is not considered illegal.


  • #54
    pablo_escobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 240 ✭✭pablo_escobar


    America has lost the war in Afghanistan militarily and unless there's an effort to win the minds of Afghans through an economic strategy, a withdrawal of troops is inevitable within the next 1-2 years.

    The problem with the American government and possibly some american people in general is that they underestimate people in regions like Afghanistan.

    Vietnam has taught them absolutely nothing and here we are again, watching them take a beating.

    They're already bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq and now they're waving their dicks at the North Koreans and Iranians.

    America is a powerful country, but not powerful enough to attack every country who doesn't bow down to its demands.

    The US economy is crumbling, with another bailout of corrupt financial institutions forseen within the next 6 months.

    More american soldiers will continue to die for nothing, more tax dollars will continue to be spent and we can conclude the benefit drawn from this madness was to transfer wealth of middle class to the military industrial complex and roughly 1000 families in the US who control it all.

    We are witnessing the collapse of the American empire.


  • #55
    Gigiwagga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Gigiwagga


    Manic Moran wrote: »

    Utterly unavoidable,

    NTM

    I'd say you're wrong there, it would be perfectly avoidable if you and your mate got the fack out of that country. Real simple like.

    Oh wait remind me again of all the vital work being done in Afghanistan, in fact why not up load a couple of cool pics of you and your mates posing around yer base all fit and sweaty, I think they're great crack. I share them with my family they're those sort of moments aren't they.

    metaphor: we were driving home from the pub after a days hard drinkin' all of us plastered, so drunk we just couldn't see the young girl on her bike, went right over her. Utterly unavoidable.

    back to my original point...


  • #56
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Gigiwagga wrote: »
    I'd say you're wrong there, it would be perfectly avoidable if you and your mate got the fack out of that country. Real simple like.

    Much though my family would probably prefer that, it would put rather a bit of a crimp on our ability to fight the war. I think we would like to provide the Taliban at least with a challenge, seems awfully inconsiderate to leave them just standing around with only Afghans to shoot at.
    Oh wait remind me again of all the vital work being done in Afghanistan,

    Certainly. There's lots of vital work being done in Afghanistan. You are now reminded, no need to thank me.
    in fact why not up load a couple of cool pics of you and your mates posing around yer base all fit and sweaty, I think they're great crack. I share them with my family they're those sort of moments aren't they.

    No need, they're already up. Not sure about the whole 'fit' bit, I was probably the least likely person on the base to be found in the gym. Anyway, the thread is here. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055535282

    Later.

    NTM


  • #57
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    You can't just say 'civilian' and have that be the end of it. The closest we came to killing a non-combatant that I'm aware of was an incident when we hit an 8-year-old girl with a .50 cal. Didn't do her legs any good whatsoever. What had happened was one of our units was engaging enemy in a treeline. The girl was some 300m behind the treeline, in a field, and completely unknown to us. Some of the bullets went through the trees and one hit her.

    Utterly unavoidable, but had she been killed, the report would have said 'Civilian killed by ISAF.'

    NTM
    Collateral Damage, anyone? I don't believe you guys.. Isn't the whole point of the Wikileaks articles about informing the world that TOO MANY innocent people are being killed? And I still don't get why the Yanks assume the international 'policing' role, Afghanistan was a corrupt sh*thole way before the Taliban become prominent, where were the Yanks then? and even if defeating the Taliban were possible some other fundamentalist ar**holes would soon take their place. It makes me laugh when we hear this is all for the Afghan people's benefit. The U.S. doesn't exactly have a great record other than propping up corrupt regimes and dictatorships. But war is big business, after all. You don't know you're born.


  • #58
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    The closest we came to killing a non-combatant that I'm aware of ...

    NTM
    Yeah.. 'We' being your unit. That's not all that's there ya know. Maybe you're not as aware as you think you are.


  • #59
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Snake Pliisken wrote: »
    It's not America that's doing this, it's the system that has allowed corparate interest to steer policy toward their interest- the Americans are just brainwashed at this point into thinking that they're policing the world, I don't want them all to die, I want all the greedy parasites dead.

    Did you fail to notice the murderous attack on America launched from Afghanistan with the complicity of the government there?


  • #60
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Johro wrote: »
    Yeah.. 'We' being your unit. That's not all that's there ya know. Maybe you're not as aware as you think you are.

    I know, but it was a case in point on how to define 'unavoidable' or 'un-necessary' I find that having real-world examples helps explain issues better than hypothetical.
    Isn't the whole point of the Wikileaks articles about informing the world that TOO MANY innocent people are being killed?

    Going by the OP, it's the fourth point, and they're being predominantly killed by the Taliban.

    NTM


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  • #61
    we'llallhavetea_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    You can't just say 'civilian' and have that be the end of it. The closest we came to killing a non-combatant that I'm aware of was an incident when we hit an 8-year-old girl with a .50 cal. Didn't do her legs any good whatsoever. What had happened was one of our units was engaging enemy in a treeline. The girl was some 300m behind the treeline, in a field, and completely unknown to us. Some of the bullets went through the trees and one hit her.

    Utterly unavoidable, but had she been killed, the report would have said 'Civilian killed by ISAF.'

    NTM

    jesus christ. the things i want to say would get me banned.
    "didn't do her legs any good whatsoever"
    how can you be so flippant and casual?
    Utterly unavoidable, but had she been killed, the report would have said 'Civilian killed by ISAF.'
    yes, it would have read that because that is what would have happened.

    :(


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