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Denerick · 23-07-2010 06:43PM

America has really tighetened up its border in the last decade though. Its getting harder and harder to enter legally. I think you should be proud that millions of people across the world still want to join the land of opportunity. I still have a soft spot for the USA. Its so diverse, big, loud, and capitalist.

Killer Wench · 23-07-2010 06:52PM

Denerick wrote: »

America has really tighetened up its border in the last decade though. Its getting harder and harder to enter legally. I think you should be proud that millions of people across the world still want to join the land of opportunity. I still have a soft spot for the USA. Its so diverse, big, loud, and capitalist.

Agreed. It appears that the legal process has to be completely re-worked; meanwhile, those who are attempting to navigate the legal process are finding that it is taking years to enter the country.

I know many "Brown" first generation Americans. Some were born here to parents who were illegally in the country; others were born to parents who were here legally. Some are Natives from the border region and to them, the border between Mexico and America is purely arbitrary. Overall, many of them are sympathetic towards those who come to this country to pursue a better life for the children and families.

This is probably its own thread but I think a lot of what defines their experiences probably has a lot to do with class.

lonestargirl · 23-07-2010 07:07PM

My husband studies medicine in Ireland and, for a variety of reasons, decided he would rather do residency in the US than train in Ireland. So he's a J1 alien physican and I'm the J2 spouse which gives me the right to work in the US. We've been here 1 year and will be a minimum 5 more but are limited to 8 in total before we must return home for 2 years before we can get any other kind of visa. In six weeks time I'm going to be starting a PhD @ Univ of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Centre, hopefully giving me a good prospect of work when we return to Ireland.

I find that Americans usually don't have an understanding of how difficult it is to legally immigrate into the US, I've lost count of the times people have asked me 'so when can you apply for citizenship?' and they don't seem to grasp that we are not allowed to stay. Now that I'm pregnant people seem to think that that will make a difference but it doesn't. I am however, giving my child the benefit of dual-citizenship. btw I'm not complaining, I knew the rules/limitations when I applied for the visa

Amerika wrote: »

Born in the US as an anchor baby

But US citizens cannot sponsor their parents until they are 21, having a baby in the US does not prevent against deportation or give any legal status.

Manic Moran · 23-07-2010 07:42PM

I'm the J2 spouse which gives me the right to work in the US

Easy. Join the military, you have to have a capablity to legally work in the US first, which you seem to have. It's a bit Heinleinian, but service guarantees citizenship immediately. Sign on for National Guard, as a doctor, it would appear, so it's a bit of extra work, extra training, and so on, and you won't have to make it a full-time career. If you do get sent somewhere (a) it's interesting, and (b) doctors and chaplains have short tours. May also help pay for your education.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/milcitizens.htm

All immigrants who have served honorably on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces or as a member of the Selected Ready Reserve on or after September 11, 2001 are eligible to file for immediate citizenship under the special wartime provisions in Section 329 of the INA.

NTM

lonestargirl · 23-07-2010 07:48PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Easy. Join the military, you have to have a capablity to legally work in the US first, which you seem to have. It's a bit Heinleinian, but service guarantees citizenship immediately. Sign on for National Guard, as a doctor, it would appear, so it's a bit of extra work, extra training, and so on, and you won't have to make it a full-time career. If you do get sent somewhere (a) it's interesting, and (b) doctors and chaplains have short tours.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/milcitizens.htm

NTM

(a) I'm not the doctor, my husband is

(b) It seems to be expidited citizenship for those who already LPRs (green card holders), basically it removes the 5-year residency rule for naturalising. We are on non-immigrant visas.

Manic Moran · 23-07-2010 09:31PM

Ah, OK. I thought it was just 'legal ability to work in the US'. Sorry

NTM

lonestargirl · 23-07-2010 09:34PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Ah, OK. I thought it was just 'legal ability to work in the US'. Sorry

NTM

No bother, I was excluded from a job I was qualified for in a VA hospital for the same reason.

Amerika · 23-07-2010 11:10PM

Let me prefice this with I’m on holiday, tall scotch and sodas at the resort comprise ¾ scotch to ¼ soda. 10 down so far, plus 3 jager bombs, and it’s not even dinner time. Appoligies fin advance or spelling and coherence. Few minutes to myself before dinner and karaoke (that has something to so with humiating yourself followed quickly by suicide… right?)

Manic Moran wrote: »

I'm not sure that's possible, if he's a US Citizen by birth, possibly excepting if Amerika is a few decades older than I think he is,...

Probably is the case. IRE law at the time time I was born makes me an automatic citizen. But living abroad, I have to reapply every 10 years. Let it lapse a few years ago. Contacted the Ireland embassy in NY and just got my paperwork from to reapply as living abroad. I can see needing a recommendation from an officer of the law, but a “priest” or “politician” is rather ironical over here.

lonestargirl wrote: »

But US citizens cannot sponsor their parents until they are 21, having a baby in the US does not prevent against deportation or give any legal status.

Kinda kidding with the anchor baby comment... but it did help with my mother in the event of problems. My father was already a US citizen when I was born, it took my mother another year to become nationalized after I was born.

Manic Moran · 23-07-2010 11:27PM

IRE law at the time time I was born makes me an automatic citizen. But living abroad, I have to reapply every 10 years. Let it lapse a few years ago. Contacted the Ireland embassy in NY and just got my paperwork from to reapply as living abroad.

Hmm. I missed that little detail. Can you point me to chapter and verse on that requirement?

NTM

Lockstep · 23-07-2010 11:56PM

Denerick wrote: »

You do realise that many of your Irish descendants probably migrated to the US illegaly?

Mine certainly migrated illegally. Although this was the generation before the ones who were deported for beating up cops/illegal poitín making.

stretchtex · 24-07-2010 12:11AM

My Irish ancestors settled in remote South Texas during the time in which Spain controlled current day Mexico and Texas. The leaders in Spain were interested in populating the area with people of the Catholic faith and they had to look no further than Ireland. Land grants were issued and Empresario's were named. My family lives there to this day and still go to the same small wood framed Catholic church that was built at the time of settlement. The gravestones in the cemetery indicate that most folks were born in County Leitrim.

Amerika · 24-07-2010 01:08AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Hmm. I missed that little detail. Can you point me to chapter and verse on that requirement?

NTM

You got it kimo sabi, hope this answers it. When I contacted the Irish embassy in NY, they said I need to reapply every 10 years, and I need to apply as a citizen living abroad.

Entitlement to Citizenship

The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform is responsible for determining entitlement to citizenship in accordance with the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Acts, 1956 to 2004.

Every person born on the island of Ireland before 1 January, 2005 is entitled to be an Irish citizen.

The citizenship of a person born on the island of Ireland on or after 1 January, 2005 depends on the citizenship of the person's parents at the time of the person's birth or the residency history of one of the parents prior to the birth. An information notice explaining the changes that have taken effect since 01 January 2005 is available from the website of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

Under the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Acts, 1956 to 2004, a person who was born outside Ireland is automatically an Irish citizen by descent if one of that person's parents was an Irish citizen who was born in Ireland.

Foreign Births Registration

A person born abroad to a parent who, although not born in Ireland, was otherwise an Irish citizen at the time of the person’s birth, can become an Irish citizen by applying for Foreign Births Registration, either to the Irish Diplomatic or Consular Mission nearest to where the applicant normally resides or, if resident in Ireland, to:

Consular Section
Department of Foreign Affairs
St. Stephen’s Green
Dublin 2
Telephone: (10.00-13.00) (01) 408 2555

http://www.embassyofireland.org/home/index.aspx?id=267

ynotdu · 24-07-2010 01:34AM

Amerika wrote: »

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US based politics boards are boring for the most part,

Amerika i don't agree with You there,In fact Your Partisan, humourous,sometimes informative, posts as well as your posts that stop just short of a Troll keep a lot of threads alive in the American Politics forum.

The fact that people will not give You credit for that just goes to show that the uniqe Irish concept of BEGRUDGERY is alive and well in anybody with even one blood cell that is Irish.

Now i have been nice to You.
Please remove that pic of Dubya or at least add some horns to his head:pac:

A Dub in Glasgo · 25-07-2010 12:00PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

service guarantees citizenship immediately.

Reminded me of the propaganda scene in Starship Troopers

'They're doing their part. Are you? Join the Mobile Infantry and save the world. Service guarantees citizenship.'

Manic Moran · 25-07-2010 04:14PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Reminded me of the propaganda scene in Starship Troopers

'They're doing their part. Are you? Join the Mobile Infantry and save the world. Service guarantees citizenship.'

As I said, a bit Heinleinian.

NTM

Amerika · 26-07-2010 05:40PM

ynotdu wrote: »

Amerika i don't agree with You there,In fact Your Partisan, humourous,sometimes informative, posts as well as your posts that stop just short of a Troll keep a lot of threads alive in the American Politics forum.

The fact that people will not give You credit for that just goes to show that the uniqe Irish concept of BEGRUDGERY is alive and well in anybody with even one blood cell that is Irish.

Thanks. But watch yourself. You might just get tarred and feathered by the gang here at boards.ie for that bit.

Now i have been nice to You.
Please remove that pic of Dubya or at least add some horns to his head:pac:

You got it… it this what you mean?

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ynotdu · 27-07-2010 11:13AM

Amerika wrote: »

Thanks. But watch yourself. You might just get tarred and feathered by the gang here at boards.ie for that bit.

It would be a novelty to Me if i was not!:D.

I thank You for Your reply,but He ain't no Angel.

Now a Good friend of mine who is an Angel also wants to thank You!

He said He fully accepts that You are a Legal resident of the USA but still reckons You are an Alien:p

He went on to tell Me over a beer that He would like to follow You on Twit
er[or did He say He would like to have You followed

]

Here is a pic of My buddy and the greatest man that ever lived.sadly He is so larger than life He is too Awesome for My sig:

Amerika · 27-07-2010 11:54AM

ynotdu wrote: »

Here is a pic of My buddy and the greatest man that ever lived.sadly He is so larger than life He is too Awesome for My sig:

LOL, if you like that pic, you'll love this vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFdAJRVm94

ynotdu · 27-07-2010 12:36PM

Amerika wrote: »

LOL, if you like that pic, you'll love this vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFdAJRVm94

My name is George Bush and i would endorse the above message if i could watch it on a pretzel:p

FatherTed · 28-07-2010 04:13AM

From Galway, moved 19 years ago to CT. Now a dual citizen, yankee wife, kids etc.

Amerika · 29-07-2010 10:15PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Hmm. I missed that little detail. Can you point me to chapter and verse on that requirement?
NTM

Now that I got back from vacation, your question got me thinking… why do I need to reapply every 10 years. So I found the application paperwork I got from the Consulate General of Ireland. I must have misunderstood the woman at the consulate. As best I can tell from the paperwork they sent me (looks like Irish paperwork is just as convoluted as American), the 10 year reapplication only applies to the Irish Passport portion. Citizenship By Descent provided through the Foreign Births Entry Book at the relevant Irish Embassy or Consulate abroad (living abroad), or the Foreign Births Register at the Department of Foreign Affairs of Ireland (living in Ireland), does not run out with time. I hope this answers your question. I can scan any of my application documents for you if you wish.

PhiloCypher · 29-07-2010 11:51PM

I know this isn't strictly speaking a thread about immigration but the topic has nonetheless been discussed so I'm gonna run with it .

While Its perfectly natural once you have been invited to the party to not want to share your slice of the pie with any newcomers the fact remains the reason that America still has a youthful and vibrant culture is because of all those brown people pouring over your southern borders and shooting out babies otherwise America would have the same aging demographic as Europe .

Redneck Reject · 12-08-2010 01:44PM

Moved from Virginia to Limerick,wife is from here.My country bumpkin frame of mind is taking a serious culture shock whuppin.

Amerika · 12-08-2010 02:31PM

Redneck Reject wrote: »

Moved from Virginia to Limerick,wife is from here.My country bumpkin frame of mind is taking a serious culture shock whuppin.

Welcome to the fun here. Love the Shenandoah Valley. An old girlfriend lived in Harrisonburg. At times didn’t mind adding some travel time just to do the Skyline Drive. How do you cope without any bass fishing? Y’all stay sane over there with all them Liberals... ya hear.

InTheTrees · 12-08-2010 08:10PM

Born in Dublin to anglo-irish parents, grew up in wicklow and galway.

I've been in the US for almost 20 years, first in California and now in Seattle. Working in high tech. Entitled to a US Citizenship but havent taken the plunge yet,

I still have property in the west of Ireland and come back three or four times a year.

Redneck Reject · 13-08-2010 11:29AM

Amerika wrote: »

Welcome to the fun here. Love the Shenandoah Valley. An old girlfriend lived in Harrisonburg. At times didn’t mind adding some travel time just to do the Skyline Drive. How do you cope without any bass fishing? Y’all stay sane over there with all them Liberals... ya hear.

Skyline Drive is nice in the Fall.I do miss fishing actually and supporting capitalism by heading to the Walmart,heh.Still trying to get used to driving on the wrong side of the road/wrong side of the car.Thank ya kindly for the welcome.

Captainship · 14-08-2010 10:13AM

Denerick wrote: »

I love the way Americans call illegal immigrants illegal aliens. It adds to much gravitas to the debate

Well that seems to be the view most americans have on the rest of the world,so no big surprise

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 14-08-2010 10:51AM

it's the proper term...

LostinKildare · 14-08-2010 12:44PM

Redneck Reject wrote: »

Moved from Virginia to Limerick,wife is from here.My country bumpkin frame of mind is taking a serious culture shock whuppin.

Native Virginian? What part? I'm from Williamsburg.:)

Redneck Reject · 14-08-2010 01:45PM

LostinKildare wrote: »

Native Virginian? What part? I'm from Williamsburg.:)

Southwest Virginia,town called Wytheville.Used to go to Busch-Gardens in Williamsburg,loved it there.:)

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