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Traveller's surnames

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  • #62
    SIX PACK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭SIX PACK


    Ozil wrote: »
    Does anyone know someone with the last name "Joyce" who isn't a traveller ?

    Their is lots of ppl . . . James Joyce of the 1916 Uprising... Padraig Joyce Galway Footballer... to name but a few


  • #63
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Degsy wrote: »
    I thought you said you were a nurse!

    No,i said i was a ward sister!
    Brilliant. :)
    billy the squid wrote: »
    Also, it is worth point out that many of the residents of Monserat have Irish surnames, even though most of them are black.

    Names change and are pretty much bastardised over the centuries. One possibility , and as what happened in Ellis Island in the 1800s, names were changed by the authorities to ones which were easier to pronounce. It is possible that English occupiers gave local Irish English sounding names.
    The Irish in Montserrat were actually slaves.
    They were treated worse than the African slaves because they were much cheaper to buy.
    You would often have slave owners kill an Irish slave in front of the African ones to set an example. His head would then be placed on a pike as a reminder.

    The reason many of them are black is because of attempts to create super slaves by forcing African males to procreate with Irish women.

    http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-irish-slave-trade-forgotten-white-slaves/

    There's plenty of reading on it, if you're bothered looking. Just a pity were aren't taught this in school.
    jpb1974 wrote: »
    I found 'After Hours' today and after 36 years of living I've never seen so much racism in one place.

    Good luck... I'm done here.
    I laughed.
    prinz wrote: »
    This is simple. The first white occupiers in Monserrat were Irish, not English. This is also why the towns on the Island are named after irish towns such as Kinsale. The Irish settlers moved to Monserrat after being treated as second class landlords/political infighting with their English neighbours elsewhere in the Carribean. The traditional practice IIRC was to give slaves / plantation workers the surname of the landlord.

    See above.


  • #64
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    Mod: Pro Wrestling

    I laughed too.


  • #65
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    I laughed too.

    Probably a bit harder too :D


  • #66
    John C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭John C


    WalterMitty wrote: »
    Why do they have irish surnames if they are a different ethnic group?

    Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Traveller#Origins

    Irish Travellers are recognised in British law as an ethnic group.[7] Ireland, however, does not recognise them as an ethnic group; rather, their legal status is that of a "social group".[8] An ethnic group is defined as one whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry. Ethnic identity is also marked by the recognition from others of a group's distinctiveness and by common cultural, linguistic, religious, behavioural or biological traits.

    Notes and references
    7.^ Commission for Racial Equality: Gypsies and Irish Travellers: The facts
    8.^ Irish Travellers Movement: Traveller Legal Resource Pack 2 - Traveller Culture
    Both web sites are currently offline or cannot be found.

    Wikipedia is not the most reliable source of information in the world.

    My standpoint
    Travellers are Irish citizens in their own social group. That they have Irish names is no astonishment. If we could trace back into history long enough, we could find that any posters here with an Irish surname and member of the travelling community have a common ancestor. This great, great.....grandparent could have lived (many) hundreds of years ago.

    This ancestor tracing is hypothetical, but used to bring out a point. I know little about Genetics and DNA analysis.


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  • #67
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    John C wrote: »
    Travellers are Irish citizens in their own social group.

    social by choice - perhaps they could create a new ethnic group by way of a new soical surname

    and be better able to recognise the golden hoops leading to the local set down point

    McTraveller






    McLoving them somewhere else other than near you...


  • #68
    grenache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    Ozil wrote: »
    Does anyone know someone with the last name "Joyce" who isn't a traveller ?
    There are plenty of travellers who don't actually live in Tuam you know.


  • #69
    Jordan Berbatov
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Jordan Berbatov


    james_joyce.jpg

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    A traveller if ever iv seen one, shlippery head on the lad.

    Anyway travellers and roman gypsys are deservedly the lowest of the low, they do themselves no favours.


  • #70
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    Jordan Berbatov wrote: »
    Anyway travellers and roman gypsys are deservedly the lowest of the low, they do themselves no favours.

    Ah gaysus - surely you don't mean begging, robbing and embezzzlement?


  • #71
    Jordan Berbatov
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Jordan Berbatov


    sligopark wrote: »
    Ah gaysus - surely you don't mean begging, robbing and embezzzlement?

    Add fighting, intimidation, and their general negative contribution to society and we're in business


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  • #72
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    Jordan Berbatov wrote: »
    Add fighting, intimidation, and their general negative contribution to society and we're in business

    OMG its Saturday nite and its traveller bashing


  • #73
    ottostreet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭ottostreet


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    Probably a bit harder too :D

    I think you need to lighten up. In AH, its almost obligatory to be pricks about everything.


  • #74
    Catari Jaguar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭Catari Jaguar


    LOL @ Christ being Jesus' surname :rolleyes:


  • #75
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    grenache wrote: »
    There are plenty of travellers who don't actually live in Tuam you know.

    unfortunately we all know


  • #76
    robbie_998
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭robbie_998


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    I found 'After Hours' today and after 36 years of living I've never seen so much racism in one place.

    Good luck... I'm done here.

    well if thats not your kinda thing then there's quite a bit of sexism going on over in Motors :pac:


  • #77
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    I found 'After Hours' today and after 36 years of living I've never seen so much racism in one place.

    Good luck... I'm done here.

    racism? travellers? lol

    bye


  • #78
    kielmanator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭kielmanator


    sligopark wrote: »
    OMG its Saturday morning and its traveller bashing


    FYP:D


  • #79
    Pittens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    In relation to the OPs question, he/she reckoned the travellers aren't a separate ethnic group from the settled population due to having the same surnames as us. Therefore any other population with the same surname would surely be from the same group as us

    Not really. People who are not Irish with Irish names elsewhere are either

    1) Of part irish descent.
    2) In the case of slaves in the US may have taken a master's name. ( Although that doesnt rule out 1) either )

    So 1) specifically does not prove the rule.

    If travellers have Gaelic surnames that is because they are us.


  • #80
    Pittens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    By the way - anybody notice the complete about turn the politically correct mind is taught to think as regards race in general and travellers specifically.

    For everybody else, for people who have exisited on the other side of the world and who look different in skin colour, eye shape etc. the PC chant is "There is no difference:race is a social construct".


    For travellers the racist thing is to say it is a social construct


  • #81
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Are they decent? :confused: Who knows!

    They're daycent


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  • #82
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Pittens wrote: »
    the complete about turn the politically correct mind is taught to think as regards race in general and travellers specifically.

    You were saying something about constructs...................


  • #83
    Fozzie Bear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭Fozzie Bear


    Ozil wrote: »
    Does anyone know someone with the last name "Joyce" who isn't a traveller?

    Maybe this would have been a better question?

    Does anyone know someone with the last name "Mongan" who isn't a traveller?

    I have never come across this surname being anything but an exclusively traveller one. I know a load of Joyce, Ward/Warde, McDonagh, Barrett families who are not traveller releated. But it would seem Mongan is a traditional traveller family name. Open to correction on this


  • #84
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Connors is another very common surname for travellers. Remember Blackie Connors from Glenroe?


  • #85
    billy the squid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭billy the squid


    Pittens wrote: »
    By the way - anybody notice the complete about turn the politically correct mind is taught to think as regards race in general and travellers specifically.

    For everybody else, for people who have exisited on the other side of the world and who look different in skin colour, eye shape etc. the PC chant is "There is no difference:race is a social construct".


    For travellers the racist thing is to say it is a social construct

    There is a diference between race and ethnicity.


  • #86
    billy the squid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭billy the squid


    Fozzie Bear wrote: »
    Maybe this would have been a better question?

    Does anyone know someone with the last name "Mongan" who isn't a traveller?

    I have never come across this surname being anything but an exclusively traveller one. I know a load of Joyce, Ward/Warde, McDonagh, Barrett families who are not traveller releated. But it would seem Mongan is a traditional traveller family name. Open to correction on this


    Mongan is an english translation of the name O Mongain

    As in http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/worldcup2007/qtcolmomongain.html


  • #87
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    billy the squid wrote: »
    There is a diference between race and ethnicity.


    from wiki:
    Race describes biological descent. Ethnicity describes cultural heritage.

    Ethnicity is learned, race is inherited.

    Gaysus I could have a field day with this


  • #88
    I_AmThe_Walrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 355 ✭✭I_AmThe_Walrus


    "Travelers" aren't real.

    They are fictions of your subconscious.

    They were made up to scare little children.


  • #89
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    What is the Biggest Traveller Clan ( if thats what you call it ) in Ireland ?


  • #90
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    why?


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  • #91
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    sligopark wrote: »
    why?

    I wanna know :rolleyes:


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