Traveller's surnames

jpb1974 · 23-07-2010 03:15PM

Why do they have irish surnames if they are a different ethnic group?

Why does it matter and who cares?

CreepingDeath · 23-07-2010 03:17PM

jpb1974 wrote: »

Why does it matter and who cares?

Because we might be able to deport them as illegal immigrants.

billy the squid · 23-07-2010 03:18PM

Also, it is worth point out that many of the residents of Monserat have Irish surnames, even though most of them are black.

Names change and are pretty much bastardised over the centuries. One possibility , and as what happened in Ellis Island in the 1800s, names were changed by the authorities to ones which were easier to pronounce. It is possible that English occupiers gave local Irish English sounding names.

jpb1974 · 23-07-2010 03:19PM

Because we might be able to deport them as illegal immigrants.

I found 'After Hours' today and after 36 years of living I've never seen so much racism in one place.

Good luck... I'm done here.

Celly Smunt · 23-07-2010 03:20PM

jpb1974 wrote: »

I found 'After Hours' today and after 36 years of living I've never seen so much racism in one place.

Good luck... I'm done here.

its not racism! its ethnic criticism!

aDeener · 23-07-2010 03:22PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Who the fup decided it was a good idea to call them "travellers". Travellers are people who move about FFS. This morning I travelled to work and this afternoon i travelled home again.

Even worse is the term "Irish travellers" particularly when applied to people who have never been to Ireland and may not even qualify for an Irish passport.

yeah its a bit silly alright, i refer to them as tinkers which of course comes from the traditional irish way of referring to them "tincéirí"

anyway op, names to be vigilant of are mcdonagh, nevin, stokes, joyce, mongan, hannifin, and ward. now obviously not everyone with these surnames are tinkers but some are so watch out.

WindSock · 23-07-2010 03:22PM

There are plenty of Maoris and Australian Aborigines with Irish surnames too. I guess that makes them Irish then?

brianthebard · 23-07-2010 03:24PM

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

My housemate in college last year. And his dad was a guard, so I'm fairly sure his family weren't travellers.

Are travellers not allowed be guards?

jpb1974 · 23-07-2010 03:24PM

its not racism! its ethnic criticism!

Aye.. too ignorant too see the error of your own ways.

Celly Smunt · 23-07-2010 03:25PM

jpb1974 wrote: »

Aye.. too ignorant too see the error of your own ways.

the funny thing is i agree with you i just like the statement

Celly Smunt · 23-07-2010 03:26PM

brianthebard wrote: »

Are travellers not allowed be guards?

if they didn't have an address maybe,or if they're closely connected to criminals also,but that could be the same with anybody so i dunno

aDeener · 23-07-2010 03:32PM

WindSock wrote: »

There are plenty of Maoris and Australian Aborigines with Irish surnames too. I guess that makes them Irish then?

you didn't just compare...... jesus

ejmaztec · 23-07-2010 03:33PM

WindSock wrote: »

There are plenty of Maoris and Australian Aborigines with Irish surnames too. I guess that makes them Irish then?

...and we musn't forget Eddie Murphy.

TwoShedsJackson · 23-07-2010 03:33PM

jpb1974 wrote: »

I found 'After Hours' today and after 36 years of living I've never seen so much racism in one place.

Good luck... I'm done here.

Thanks for announcing it so we all know someone is outraged on the internet.

WindSock · 23-07-2010 03:35PM

aDeener wrote: »

you didn't just compare...... jesus

No I don't think I mentioned Jesus. Is Christ an Irish surname too?

jpb1974 · 23-07-2010 03:36PM

Thanks for announcing it so we all know someone is outraged on the internet.

Sorry... not outraged at all.

If you're ignorant then chances are you're too ignorant to know it.

Your problem, not mine

Jumpy · 23-07-2010 03:38PM

jpb1974 wrote: »

If you're ignorant then chances are you're too ignorant to know it.

Clap your hands ... If your ig'nt and ye know it clap ... *pauses* this isnt working is it.

TwoShedsJackson · 23-07-2010 03:38PM

jpb1974 wrote: »

Sorry... not outraged at all.

If you're ignorant then chances are you're too ignorant to know it.

Your problem, not mine

You're still here then?

Chiorino · 23-07-2010 03:41PM

jpb1974 wrote: »

I found 'After Hours' today and after 36 years of living I've never seen so much racism in one place.

Good luck... I'm done here.

Just to be clear, AH isn't racist but....

aDeener · 23-07-2010 03:42PM

WindSock wrote: »

No I don't think I mentioned Jesus. Is Christ an Irish surname too?

there's more jesus' than christ ya know....

comparing the tinkers to aborigines and maoris..... what planet are you on?

WindSock · 23-07-2010 03:46PM

aDeener wrote: »

there's more jesus' than christ ya know....

comparing the tinkers to aborigines and maoris..... what planet are you on?

Uhm, the same one as them?

I don't think you got my post. In relation to the OPs question, he/she reckoned the travellers aren't a separate ethnic group from the settled population due to having the same surnames as us. Therefore any other population with the same surname would surely be from the same group as us

aDeener · 23-07-2010 03:50PM

WindSock wrote: »

Uhm, the same one as them?

I don't think you got my post. In relation to the OPs question, he/she reckoned the travellers aren't a separate ethnic group from the settled population due to having the same surnames as us. Therefore any other population with the same surname would surely be from the same group as us

you are correct, i did not get your post.

apologies

rossie1977 · 23-07-2010 03:51PM

Ozil wrote: »

Does anyone know someone with the last name "Joyce" who isn't a traveller ?

loads, what about Pádraic joyce the galway gaa player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz-mCcJGdSo

billy the squid · 23-07-2010 03:51PM

krudler wrote: »

Why are they all called John-Paul and Kathleen anyway?

Don't know about Kathleen, but John Paul may have something to do with the previous pope. John Paul II, reflecting the strong religeous beliefs within the community.

prinz · 23-07-2010 03:59PM

billy the squid wrote: »

Also, it is worth point out that many of the residents of Monserat have Irish surnames, even though most of them are black. Names change and are pretty much bastardised over the centuries. One possibility , and as what happened in Ellis Island in the 1800s, names were changed by the authorities to ones which were easier to pronounce. It is possible that English occupiers gave local Irish English sounding names.

This is simple. The first white occupiers in Monserrat were Irish, not English. This is also why the towns on the Island are named after irish towns such as Kinsale. The Irish settlers moved to Monserrat after being treated as second class landlords/political infighting with their English neighbours elsewhere in the Carribean. The traditional practice IIRC was to give slaves / plantation workers the surname of the landlord.

fontanalis · 23-07-2010 04:02PM

Lifestlye/way of life is probably a better description than ethnicity.

fontanalis · 23-07-2010 04:03PM

WindSock wrote: »

No I don't think I mentioned Jesus. Is Christ an Irish surname too?

You never seen The Passion of the Ward?

trad · 23-07-2010 04:08PM

Cash, Nash and Conners all played Wimbledon one year.

Seoige is the Irish for Joyce, there's some nice looking Seoige's around.

billy the squid · 23-07-2010 04:10PM

trad wrote: »

Cash, Nash and Conners all played Wimbledon one year.

Seoige is the Irish for Joyce, there's some nice looking Seoige's around.

But is Seoige the Irish for Joyce, or is Joyce the English for Seoige?

trad · 23-07-2010 05:23PM

Sin ceist maith

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