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  • #32
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,389 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    jd83 wrote: »
    Im sure the guys over on the conspiracy theories forum know the answer to this

    Well they may have a theory on it, which is more than you offered

    What is it lately with people referring to the CT forum? Is this the best you can come up with, really?


  • #33
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    When meteorites crashed into not so dead Mars, it blew people all the way to earth. Thus humans on earth.


  • #34
    Nancy Many Fork
    Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Nancy Many Fork


    The problem with the "higher being" hypothesis is that it doesn't explain anything. There's no further predictions you can make from such a model, it doesn't give any new info, etc. Whereas if there are genuine scientific theories, they will be testable and so on.
    Saying "I don't know so it must be...", well, refer to my sig for that ;)


  • #35
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    R_H_C_P wrote: »
    When meteorites crashed into not so dead Mars, it blew people all the way to earth. Thus humans on earth.


    Id say that was some craic.

    One minute on Mars then Next thing you know your on earth


  • #36
    Sparticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭Sparticle


    plein de force wrote: »
    I never claimed to have a grasp on science at all

    it's just that's what there is evidence of therefore i believe that

    I don't think you understand what evolution means. It's the process that leads to the diversification of organisms on earth through natural selection, gene drift ecetera. It is not a theory on the origin of life.

    IMO life prob started by the chance formation of R.N.A or something along those lines near high energy thermal vents.


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  • #37
    token56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭token56


    karlog wrote: »
    Better than the atheist one IMO.
    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Well its the one I believe personally.

    Fair enough, my own motto is each to their own really.

    I personally think each person is natural disposed to either believe or not believe in a god, with you're environment and upbringing obviously having an influence. I mean I think some people just naturally cant or dont want to believe in a god, and that opposite is true, and another group in the middle somewhere.


  • #38
    Sparticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭Sparticle


    My name is URL wrote: »
    What is it lately with people referring to the CT forum?

    A combination of morbid fancination and schadenfreude.


  • #39
    Sea Sharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Sea Sharp


    Life is a big elaborate cause and effect chain reaction that has its foundations with simple chemical reactions.


  • #40
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    But where did those chemicals come from?


  • #41
    token56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭token56


    If people are interested in one side they should check Stephen Hawkings lastest series, in particular this episode.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8fI8wdvteU

    its the first of 9 parts just to warn, so its pretty long. But even if you dont agree with it, its pretty interesting


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  • #42
    Sea Sharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Sea Sharp


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    But where did those chemicals come from?

    The Chemical Brothers obviously. :)


  • #43
    yogy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 164 ✭✭yogy


    Darwin, Dawkins et al have proven, beyond reasonable doubt and with concrete evidence, the whole God creating earth thing to be a load of bollix..

    Evolution has been proven, creationism is just some fairytale dreamt up by organised religious groups to explain what could not be explained many years ago!


  • #44
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    yogy wrote: »
    Darwin, Dawkins et al have proven, beyond reasonable doubt and with concrete evidence, the whole God creating earth thing to be a load of bollix..

    Evolution has been proven, creationism is just some fairytale dreamt up by organised religious groups to explain what could not be explained many years ago!
    So what did we evolve from?


  • #45
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Gamma Ray Burst, exploding stars etc.

    DeV.


  • #46
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    WIZE wrote: »
    yeah but should life not exsist on other planets in our Solar System then and assemble differently to suit other planets?

    Well, earth is nicely placed in the so-called 'habitable zone' in the solar system although there is still theories that suggest microbial life could have existed on Mars.


  • #47
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Origin of Life: Shit happens.


  • #48
    token56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭token56


    yogy wrote: »
    Darwin, Dawkins et al have proven, beyond reasonable doubt and with concrete evidence, the whole God creating earth thing to be a load of bollix..

    Evolution has been proven, creationism is just some fairytale dreamt up by organised religious groups to explain what could not be explained many years ago!

    Just to point out, evolution or so called micro evolution is an observable effect in biology, its a process that happens, there can be no doubt about that. However the theory of evolution or macro evolution, i.e. Darwin's theory etc has not been proven. If it had why would it still be called a theory? For most people the majority of the evidence points to it being correct I agree. However its incorrect to say its been proven.


  • #49
    Sparticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭Sparticle


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    But where did those chemicals come from?

    Stars fusing heavier elemensts which are then released in a supernova which then condenses to form a solar system. The elements react to form chemicals. High energy areas on earth increase odds of complex organic molecules forming.


  • #50
    bleg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    Evolution is a fact. The way we think it happened (via natural selection) is indeed, in the strictest scientific sense, a theory.


  • #51
    Nancy Many Fork
    Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Nancy Many Fork


    token56 wrote: »
    . If it had why would it still be called a theory? .
    A theory is a substantiated explanation of facts and observations.
    A theory is never, ever going to "graduate" into a fact or a law. A theory is as good as it gets.
    This is a scientific theory. It is not to be confused with "I had an idea..."

    Evolution is both a fact and a theory. This is a good thing, not a "just".


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  • #52
    yogy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 164 ✭✭yogy


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So what did we evolve from?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species

    This guy explains it better than I ever could!


  • #53
    Sparticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭Sparticle


    token56 wrote: »
    Just to point out, evolution or so called micro evolution is an observable effect in biology, its a process that happens, there can be no doubt about that. However the theory of evolution or macro evolution, i.e. Darwin's theory etc has not been proven. If it had why would it still be called a theory? For most people the majority of the evidence points to it being correct I agree. However its incorrect to say its been proven.

    You do realize macro evolution is just a lot of micro-evolution right?


  • #54
    Pace2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    token56 wrote: »
    Is this higher being super natural or natural? It's a valid theory as no one can say for certain that didn't happen because we cant prove it didn't happen.
    Just because you can't disprove something doesn't make it a valid theory.

    You can't disprove I was the one who created the universe, and have existed in various guises since the dawn of time. But it's obviously nonsense.
    No one will be able to ever prove what "started life". We can come up with theory's and maybe even possibly demonstrated them some day, for example create life in a lab in accordance to some hypothesis, however there will always be questions and no definitive answer.
    Science doesn't deal in proof though; it deals in evidence. We come up with working models and test how accurate our predictions are against the results.


  • #55
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Were did the very first thing that started this evolutionary chain come from?


  • #56
    yogy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 164 ✭✭yogy


    token56 wrote: »
    If it had why would it still be called a theory? For most people the majority of the evidence points to it being correct I agree. However its incorrect to say its been proven.

    That is a fair point, it is still just a theory. However a theory backed up with significant evidence, much more so than the whole "God" theory..


  • #57
    Nancy Many Fork
    Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Nancy Many Fork


    token56 wrote: »
    It's a valid theory as no one can say for certain that didn't happen because we cant prove it didn't happen

    Any valid theory or model is falsifiable. That's how it works.
    That means "a god did it" is effectively useless, tells us nothing, and is most certainly not a theory.
    yogy wrote: »
    That is a fair point, it is still just a theory.
    Please don't make me beat you over the head with my last post :mad:
    A "scientific theory" IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS.
    Please go read up on it.
    And evolution is a fact and a theory. Both.


  • #58
    token56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭token56


    bluewolf wrote: »
    A theory is a substantiated explanation of facts and observations.
    A theory is never, ever going to "graduate" into a fact or a law. A theory is as good as it gets.
    This is a scientific theory. It is not to be confused with "I had an idea..."

    Evolution is both a fact and a theory. This is a good thing, not a "just".

    I obviously agree with everything you say, and it probably better explains what I was trying to say in that post than I did.

    I just dont like when people say a theory is proven, but I suppose your post shows better than I did why theories are never proven as such, just more and more evidence gathered to substantiate them.


  • #59
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    So where did life come from then ?

    I come to the conclusion that life was on another planet that exploded some where out there and a piece of that planet ended up on earth to create life here

    I also saw that the water is covered in water due to a comet of Ice Asteroid hitting earth so maybe the particals of like arrived with the water

    I dont mean humans but another living thing

    What I dont get though is why life in any way has not adapted its self on any of our local planets


  • #60
    Abrasax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 977 ✭✭✭Abrasax


    Didn't it start the same way we were all conceived, with a Big Bang?


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  • #61
    token56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭token56


    Sparticle wrote: »
    You do realize macro evolution is just a lot of micro-evolution right?

    Oh I do, but there are quite a few people that dont see it.


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