'Inception' Mega Thread SPOILERS FROM POST 292 ONWARDS

Handsome Bob · 17-07-2010 09:07PM

seraphimvc wrote: »

one small question tho,
why in the first place that Cobh and the wife started that '50 years' dream?was it just Cobh wanted that or it was their common interest?

I think Cobb said it was because he wanted to see how far you could go, to see how many dreams within dreams that were possible.

As for why they stayed for 50 years, I don't know, I think it was just the thrill of creating a whole world to your liking.

Totally agree btw on the tension that Nolan created throughout the film, absolutely gripping stuff.

dloob · 17-07-2010 09:57PM

Saw it today billiant!

Has anyone considered that maybe Mal was right and Cobb has been trapped in a dream all along? The totem was not Cobbs, he only got it after she died.

Mickeroo · 17-07-2010 10:02PM

dloob wrote: »

Saw it today billiant!
Has anyone considered that maybe Mal was right and Cobb has been trapped in a dream all along? The totem was not Cobbs, he only got it after she died.

It did cross my mind but I think that would render the entire film pointless.

I reckon

he's back in reality because he sees the kids faces, and it looked to me like the top was wobbling. I actually was a little pissed at the ending, I didn't think the ambiguity added anything to the story,it would have been quite powerful if they had shown the top fall over I think.

Must say it was great to see Ken Watanabe in a major role again,thought he was criminally under used in Batman Begins.

Did anyone else thing there were a lot of similarities between Cobb and Leo's character in

Shutter Island?

Mr E · 17-07-2010 10:15PM

Outstanding movie, best of the year so far, and will go down as a bona fide classic in the years to come.

Now the question of the day - to what god do we have to pray to prevent Warner Bros from ordering Inception Reloaded or Inception Revolutions?

johnny_ultimate · 17-07-2010 10:40PM

Mr E wrote: »

Now the question of the day - to what god do we have to pray to prevent Warner Bros from ordering Inception Reloaded or Inception Revolutions?

I doubt Nolan will buy into a sequel unless he really thinks there's a need for it. On one hand, he has made one of the most successful sequels (artistically and commercially) of all time. On the other, he is one of the few directors with anything resembling backbone, so unless he thinks there's more to explore in the world, I'd imagine he'd leave it. If Warners hand it to anyone else, we can safely ignore any possible sequels

I'd imagine it will be a standalone film like the Prestige though, and hopefully it will be.

NickDrake · 18-07-2010 12:12AM

shows again Hardy should have gotten the Oscar for Bronson

Pushtrak · 18-07-2010 12:30AM

It seems my take on this move is very different. I think its overrated.

Magic Eight Ball · 18-07-2010 01:29AM

I was well and truly blown away!! It was like discovering Star Wars for the first time all over again.

Magic Eight Ball · 18-07-2010 01:34AM

I've never wanted a totem to topple over so much in my life!

:pac:

Jesus Wept · 18-07-2010 01:42AM

meh.

All too trendy, safe 'non ending' ending is getting irritiating.

yogalady · 18-07-2010 01:51AM

On Purpose didn't read anything about this film before I went to see it. SAVAGE F...ING CABBAGE!

I go to the cinema alot (bout twice a week) and I see alot of movies. Most are average, fine, forgetable. This is savage. Christopher Nolan is incredible. I was in a daze after it. The mind boggles!

Have to give a mention to Leonardo Dicaprio. Turned into fine actor. Great in this and shutter island ( another movie that I still think about. Great stuff). Ellen Paige I love her. Cillian Murphy great also

][cEMAN** · 18-07-2010 03:21AM

To the ending

he already said that he and his wife were trying multiple dream layers, but that when they both died from laying on the tracks, they just went back up 1 level. He's still in the dream. The whole thing was based in his mind. The idea of saito growing old was because he had already said that it would only end when he was old and had nothing but regret (or something like that), earlier in the film. He was playing out the sequences he already set in his mind. Not to mention the fact that the chance to get back based on what he was accused of, was too perfect to accidentally fall into that chance. No, I think his wife woke up but he didn't. I just wonder how long till he wakes up.....****ing DiCrapio.....

Handsome Bob · 18-07-2010 08:02AM

' wrote:

[cEMAN**;66980044']To the ending
he already said that he and his wife were trying multiple dream layers, but that when they both died from laying on the tracks, they just went back up 1 level. He's still in the dream. The whole thing was based in his mind. The idea of saito growing old was because he had already said that it would only end when he was old and had nothing but regret (or something like that), earlier in the film. He was playing out the sequences he already set in his mind. Not to mention the fact that the chance to get back based on what he was accused of, was too perfect to accidentally fall into that chance. No, I think his wife woke up but he didn't. I just wonder how long till he wakes up.....****ing DiCrapio.....

Interesting take, I have heard a few theories that the whole thing was Cobb's inception in order to free him from his inner turmoil.

An alternative theory

The first 2 hours and 30 minutes were a dream, and the final scene is the only reality. Cobb could have very well been in the other room with his own device dreaming for a matter of minutes, whereas the whole story could have taken place in a matter of hours, days, weeks, years etc.

This could explain the kids wearing the same clothes and not changing in age. Perhaps the last time Cobb saw the kids was just earlier that day before he went into his dream state. Maybe he was going under the dream state for self-therapeutic reasons -- like the old people in Mombassa, and he came out a changed man.

I think these stock characters were all just Cobb's projections -- albeit well-developed, sophisticated projections. Cobb created his own dream with his own goals and rewards... if Cobb accomplished the Fischer inception, then he gets to "go home" and rid himself of all the guilt.

AND HERE'S THE MAIN EVIDENCE THAT JUST HIT ME RIGHT NOW:

When Cobb and Mal were dreaming together, they were doing it together in their own living room. They were using it recreationally in the comfort of their own home. They weren't using it for extraction or any illegal purposes. They were using for their own pleasure (and was mentioned by Miles when Cobb approached Miles at school, something about teaching Mal and Cobb the legitimate uses of using dreams). This tells me that Cobb has his own dream-making machine at home, and he was just in the other room the whole time... using it to get closure on the real-life death of Mal.

seraphimvc · 18-07-2010 08:59AM

about saito 's age :

i simply think that when he died he is stuck in the limbo(read as: stuck in the no-way-out maze in their shared subconscious layer);
Cobb on the other hand, died in his world(4th dream, the buildings fall down scene);
they both stuck in the limbo - where Cobb 'successfully'(or luckily) 'finds' and reminds Saito about something important(the deal), this acts as powerful trigger to wake them up(i am not 100% sure about this but it seems so,i remember they did say any startling to the dreamer will wake them up, free falling is just the one works best).

Possible plot hole:

Cobb did it purposely to kill himself and save saito is intended?? or mere coincidence?? could be a possible plothole, since Cobb was sleeping when saito dies.

the flight hour and the 5th dream:

about how long saito and Cobb stuck in the limbo - i'd say is about 20-30 years in the dreamworld(takes Saito is a 40+ yrs old man, he is a CEO like figure right?), Cobb did get old too, they were saying something like 'lets get out of here before we get too old'. while saito enters(dies) the limbo earlier than Cobb(at least about few minutes) which explains why saito looks older.
obviously at this point we know that the flight takes more than 10hours to fly( international flight estimated time is always failed :pac:). this suggests that the time in the limbo flies really really really slow - i am not gonna calculate it on pen and paper,why bothers??:P

the ending:

i truly believe and wanted it to be a happy ending. the spinning top never stops scene(damn you Nolan :P)to me is suggesting that Cobb doest care about if that is real world or dream anymore, fck them,if a dream can be somehing what he wants, let it be.(remember he said he cant dream of anything beside his wife)

some people may argue the last part was all in Cobb's dream, he is stuck there forever and never wake up - thats all up for them to believe then and there some points to support that too

which is what Nolan intended.we cant prove it or disprove that anyway lol the whole thing could be Cobb's inception overall.

one thing i need to add is when in the airport only those teammates take a glance at him(meant goodjob to him), Fisher's glance was merely a dramatic effect i'd say.

Roro4Brit · 18-07-2010 01:06PM

I was very disappointed. I was so excited for this movie, been talking about it for months.

For me the real genius of this movie is that it is itself a form of Inception.

Nolan (the architect) makes a movie about dreams within a dream with a plot that panders so readily to the need of the pseudo-intellectual masses to feel oh so clever about themselves. The subsequent patting of oneself on the back for following the movie to completion allows them to 'self-generate' the idea that they really did enjoy this cinematic tripe. And as Cobbs says himself, what's the most resilient parasite - an idea. The virality this movie has generated is awesome. Who'd dare say now that they didn't enjoy it for fear of being told they just didn't have the ability to dissect the plot's intricacies and appreciate this masterpiece for what it is.

Bravo Nolan, bravo. Inception indeed.

opr · 18-07-2010 01:31PM

Won't bother with a review other than it was insane good.

This bugged me and I haven't seen anyone else mention it so I presume I am way off base.

In the scene that Cobb is getting chased through the market place in what is the supposed actual reality did no one think it was so cliché to have a market place as the venue for the scene ? Almost as if someone was designing a dream maze it would be pretty perfect? Also Cobb manages to find an escape route of two walls that is just big enough that he can fit through?

Opr

opr · 18-07-2010 01:36PM

' wrote:

[cEMAN**;66980044']To the ending
he already said that he and his wife were trying multiple dream layers, but that when they both died from laying on the tracks, they just went back up 1 level. He's still in the dream. The whole thing was based in his mind. The idea of saito growing old was because he had already said that it would only end when he was old and had nothing but regret (or something like that), earlier in the film. He was playing out the sequences he already set in his mind. Not to mention the fact that the chance to get back based on what he was accused of, was too perfect to accidentally fall into that chance. No, I think his wife woke up but he didn't. I just wonder how long till he wakes up.....****ing DiCrapio.....

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Interesting take, I have heard a few theories that the whole thing was Cobb's inception in order to free him from his inner turmoil.

An alternative theory

This is more the kinda thing I am getting at, good stuff!

Opr

][cEMAN** · 18-07-2010 03:20PM

Just to clarify, and add to my original post

I also think the whole film was a dream. It's not a great writing technique, but in some cases it works. The only thing that was real (in a way) were his memories of what happened to his wife. The night she woke up and he didn't.

Thinking on it now too i'm not sure if the dream Cobb was in was his inception to rid himself of guilt - I think it might just have been an ordinary dream he was put into. I need someone to clarify this, but when he and his wife woke up (1 level) to their supposed home, didn't she completely reject the kids? Maybe the first dream was one where they had kids, and didn't in real life. Adding to why she would know she was in a dream. It would explain in a way why they didn't change. They were just a creation of Cobb's mind and he couldn't imagine them growing older, as he never saw them born either.

phasers · 18-07-2010 03:28PM

I was discussing this with a friend yesterday and thought of something.

The idea of the totem is that only the owner of the totem knows about it, so they can ensure that they're where they're meant to be, isn't it?

well, how come Cobb was so open with his totem?The others were really protective of theirs and they were never seen, but everybody seemed to know what the Top did, isn't that dangerous? Somebody could just construct a dream in which the top fell and Cobb would be none the wiser.

Anyway, that was just something that's been bugging me.

Kiith · 18-07-2010 03:29PM

Would anyone by any chance know what time Inception is showing in screen 17 in Cineworld tonight? Going to see it, but want to see it in 17.

opr · 18-07-2010 04:05PM

phasers wrote: »

I was discussing this with a friend yesterday and thought of something.
The idea of the totem is that only the owner of the totem knows about it, so they can ensure that they're where they're meant to be, isn't it?

well, how come Cobb was so open with his totem?The others were really protective of theirs and they were never seen, but everybody seemed to know what the Top did, isn't that dangerous? Somebody could just construct a dream in which the top fell and Cobb would be none the wiser.

Anyway, that was just something that's been bugging me.

Another thing which bugged me in regards to the spinning top. After he goes down to visit the chemist lab in which he has a number of people dreaming Cobb is put under and he gets flashes of Mal and then wakes up. He goes into the bathroom and splashes his face, and then goes to test reality by spinning the top. He drops it, and then Saito interrupts, and he never tests to see if he's still dreaming. It seems odd to show all this if its not something significant.

Something is also said within that time about "Who are you to tell them what is reality ?"

Can someone answer me what was the story was with the spinning top in the safe, I didn't gather the significance and can't remember why it was shown ?

Opr

Mickeroo · 18-07-2010 04:28PM

opr wrote: »

Another thing which bugged me in regards to the spinning top. After he goes down to visit the chemist lab in which he has a number of people dreaming Cobb is put under and he gets flashes of Mal and then wakes up. He goes into the bathroom and splashes his face, and then goes to test reality by spinning the top. He drops it, and then Saito interrupts, and he never tests to see if he's still dreaming. It seems odd to show all this if its not something significant.

Something is also said within that time about "Who are you to tell them what is reality ?"

Can someone answer me what was the story was with the spinning top in the safe, I didn't gather the significance and can't remember why it was shown ?

Opr

Mal locked the top away in the safe because she wanted to forget their life in limbo was a dream, Cobb found the top and put it spinning knowing it wouldn't fall over and planting the idea in Mals head that her life was a dream, this was the Inception Cobb had done before so he kno
ew it was possible. But the Idea carried on into their waking life which lead to Mal's suicide. I Think

quarryman · 18-07-2010 04:34PM

Roro4Brit wrote: »

I was very disappointed. I was so excited for this movie, been talking about it for months.

For me the real genius of this movie is that it is itself a form of Inception.

Nolan (the architect) makes a movie about dreams within a dream with a plot that panders so readily to the need of the pseudo-intellectual masses to feel oh so clever about themselves. The subsequent patting of oneself on the back for following the movie to completion allows them to 'self-generate' the idea that they really did enjoy this cinematic tripe. And as Cobbs says himself, what's the most resilient parasite - an idea. The virality this movie has generated is awesome. Who'd dare say now that they didn't enjoy it for fear of being told they just didn't have the ability to dissect the plot's intricacies and appreciate this masterpiece for what it is.

Bravo Nolan, bravo. Inception indeed.

so eh, yeah, this post is a load of shít.

phasers · 18-07-2010 04:37PM

I would assume it is kiith, I saw it in 17 on Friday and usually a big movie like Inception would be in 17 for a good while

Roro4Brit · 18-07-2010 04:54PM

quarryman wrote: »

so eh, yeah, this post is a load of shít.

Wow, over 3 hours. That's a lot longer than I expected.

Kiith · 18-07-2010 04:54PM

phasers wrote: »

I would assume it is kiith, I saw it in 17 on Friday and usually a big movie like Inception would be in 17 for a good while

What time was it on in 17 on Friday if you dont mind me asking?

BopNiblets · 18-07-2010 05:05PM

A thought occurred to me, what would be the difference between inception of an idea and just using subliminal messaging to plant it, they could have

drugged him on the plane and put headphones on him with a tape playing "Breaking up your fathers company would be a great idea!" over and over

Would have been a less interesting movie no doubt!

Also, I think the night after I saw Inception in the cinema I had a dream within a dream!
I've been incepted! :eek:

Peyton Manning · 18-07-2010 05:45PM

Absolutely exceptional movie.

I blurted out an extended "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!" when

Levitt uses the paradox of the never ending stairs to trick the guy who is trying to kill him in the hotel

. That was just brilliant.

Savman · 18-07-2010 05:49PM

Roro4Brit wrote: »

Wow, over 3 hours. That's a lot longer than I expected.

So you didn't like it. Your loss tbh.

Ain't no accounting for taste.

opr · 18-07-2010 06:48PM

Another interesting theory on things. TBH I need to see it again before forming a more meaningful take on things.

the ultimate architect was saito.

I think that Cobb pulled the mission off for Saito way before we see the mission take place in the movie. Saito isn't powerful enough to REALLY make the charges against Cobb drop, but he CAN hook Cobb up to a machine and create the world of Cobb's dream and make sure that Cobb goes through a bunch of things and eventually end up in limbo - thus living his "life" with his kids. It gives more reason to why Saito wanted to be there - because he was the mastermind and true architect behind it all.

how could we miss this....the end was just a recreation from his memory because his kids were wearing the same clothes and in the exact same position/doing same thing that they were always shown doing from his memory during the movie.

FACT:

1)The movie started off in Saito's limbo, then moved to Saito's dream.

2)Saito happened to magically be there to rescue Cobb from his dreamlike chase in Africa (the anonymous agents chasing him, the narrow hallway - come on people).

3)Saito was seen handling Cobb's totem (his top).

4)Saito walked in on Cobb as he was spinning his totem prior to their mission. We never saw if the top would have kept spinning or not. This is HUGE! I don't know why more people aren't talking about this.

The spinning top could be irrelevant at the end of the movie. Saito touched Cobb's totem, so now Saito's subconscious mind can recreate the totem in the dream and force it to either fall or keep spinning. This is the whole reason why they weren't allowed to touch each other's totem, cause then the person controlling the dream will subconsciously replicate the totem exactly the same. If Dom knows this at the end then he can walk away as the outcome now means nothing.

Opr

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