I want to up my game but am stuck and frustrated, advice?

The best advive I can give you is to keep practicing.The only way to improve is to keep playing people who are better than you and when you lose evaluate what went wrong rather than getting pissed.Learning matchups takes time, you've only been playing juri a few months!!

Also have you considered that maybe juri is'nt for you?She has some pretty complex stuff that i dont even think is possible on a pad. Maybe check out some other characters.I mained ryu for months and months before realising that he just did'nt suit my playstyle.I changed to blanka and bison and within weeks was winning alot more, and more importantly having more fun.

Play Ryu, learn fundamentals, be Daigo

Hey Misty,

I've never played you, but this is my advice. Watch videos/replays of yourself playing! It is the fastest way of seeing what the problems in your game are (in my case, unsafe spiral arrows and RAND0M ULTRAS!!!1!!11!). You may cringe initially, I know I did, but it's a great help.

So, after a session where you weren't happy with your play go into the replay channel and watch every match. If you lost, why? Did your execution let you down? Look at the inputs. Are you punishing as much as you could, etc.

Hi Misty, we've played many times as you know...

My advice, and what I do is, learn the exact properties and uses of every single attack in every situation that your chracter has. And you should have a ready-made punish for every attack that your enemy does and if you can't max your damage output, at least make sure that you are safe after your attack.

Recently some American slated my Ibuki for not using combos(target and crossup). I explained to him that I'm trying to become acquainted with all her normals before I start complicating things...
He said 'nah, that's just coz you're a scrub'. He was wrong though, as I then changed to my main and showed his 6000BP+ Akuma what a fully learned character can do...


Ps: Watching videos of yourself(especially very close ones that you lost) can be very insightful. Think: 'What did I do wrong?' 'How could I have changed that?'

Yeah Juri is fine played defensively and almost certainly should be in some matchups imo.

Ken B wrote: »

Hi Misty, we've played many times as you know...

My advice, and what I do is, learn the exact properties and uses of every single attack in every situation that your chracter has. And you should have a ready-made punish for every attack that your enemy does and if you can't max your damage output, at least make sure that you are safe after your attack.

Recently some American slated my Ibuki for not using combos(target and crossup). I explained to him that I'm trying to become acquainted with all her normals before I start complicating things...
He said 'nah, that's just coz you're a scrub'. He was wrong though, as I then changed to my main and showed his 6000BP+ Akuma what a fully learned character can do...


Ps: Watching videos of yourself(especially very close ones that you lost) can be very insightful. Think: 'What did I do wrong?' 'How could I have changed that?'

I entirely agree with Ken B here. I think we have very similar approaches to character learning. You need to know the effective normal to use in every situation. The only honda normals I don't use often are st. mk and sweep. Every other one has a use and it's important to know where and when those uses are.

I'm currently having a serious amount of fun learning Makoto and she is ALL about the normals. She has such a diverse set of standing, towards and crouching normals that you'd be a fool not to take advantage of them to the fullest.

I have a few damage combos too but they come in time and the fancier ones are generally saved for when you've mastered the character. I mean, look at DooM for ages there he focused on zoning and the only damage combo he used competitively was c.mp xx Flash kick and he was doing great!

Basically you need to read, you need to study and you need to put the training dummy on record and see what your normals can do with regards stuffing failed/whiffed attacks.

/rant

PS: This should be your go-to bible on Juri



(EDIT: From the first line of the video "Juri is a zoning character that requires an extensive familiarity with most of her normals )

chris mcmahon wrote: »

youtube juri and find a pro player that uses her, and try and copy their style, thats what i did with ken and i instantly got better, do the things that they do and incororate them. dont worry about being original you can devise our own tricks later, if it works-use it.
i copied "ed ma"s ken playstyle before he switched to akuma and it worked. ed ma now actually plays juri, he did so at evo and beat marn......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub4ksIF80wE
i hit that brick wall you have a while ago, all you can do is keep playing.

If you're looking for a pro Juri Player, I suggest eiSH



Search him on youtube

Another huge element is matchup knowledge. You have to know how to deal with certain characters. Naturally, you don't approach a ryu match the same way you approach a guile match, same goes for every character.

SRK usually has good matchup advice threads in the individual character subforums. Knowledge also comes with experience but unfortunately playing online doesn't often give you opportunities to play less popular characters.

Dreddybajs wrote: »

I can't think of a single thing in SF4 that simply isn't possible on a pad, I doubt that's the issue. Maybe Gen's s. mk into hands combos come close but that''s about it, and I'd say they're doable if your execution is good enough.

edit: Also my advice would be play offline as much as you can rather than online, if you're playing online play endless mode instead of ranked, and maybe try out some different characters.

Im a pad player myself and there are many things you cant do on a pad.Blanka,chun li,honda,Gen, all have stuff thats simply not possible without a stick.This may not be the case with juri.I guess with a smart button set up you could manage to store three fireballs and still use the punch buttons.Nevertheless I do think that juri is a highly technical character and is not beginner friendly. It will take alot longer to become competitive with her in comparison to say balrog,bison,blanka or chunli.

If you really enjoy playing juri though keep at it. here is the best juri tutorial ive found online.
http://www.youtube.com/user/OptionSelectDotCom

chris mcmahon wrote: »

i find even doing a fireball hard on the 360 controller nevermind ultra combos.

The first time I played a 360 back when it came out was a couple rounds of DoA4, I had a hard time just reaching my character on the select screen.

Quality control guys at MS should've been hung over that d-pad.

chris mcmahon wrote: »

anything you can do on a stick, can be done on a pad. there is no logical reason to suggest this isnt the case. if there is something you think you cant do then your not trying hard enough, it took me ages during the first few months of street fighter 4 to nail FADCs, but now they are second nature.

ps im talking about a madcatz fightpad here, not the 360 controller (that blows goats and will almost certainly limit your execution), if you dead set on sticking with a pad like me and you havent got a fightpad, i highly recommend getting one, helps immensly. i find even doing a fireball hard on the 360 controller nevermind ultra combos.

so you're telling me you can do

blankas walking electricity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqdCUOK07Q8

chuns roundhouse legs into forward legs into a combo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyx-U1RA4Ew


and hondas jab into hhs into hhs :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKVNXeScOE&feature=related

with a pad...... without using turbo?

chris mcmahon wrote: »

the 360 controller blows goats and will almost certainly limit your execution. If you're dead set on sticking with a pad like me and you haven't got a fightpad, i highly recommend getting one, helps immensely. i find even doing a fireball hard on the 360 controller nevermind ultra combos.

One of the best players we have plays on a regular 360 controller and does fine.

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Could you do it on a stick without turbo?

Why would a 6 button pad on your knee be any harder for button inputs than a stick?

I haven't used one so I couldn't say for sure, but in my experience a big part of playing pad comes down to holding it with two hands, whereas resting it on your knee and drumming fingers across the right side while holding the left side to operate the stick with your thumb doesn't sound practical or comfortable, not to mention how close the buttons are together - but that goes back to me wondering how the fightpads are a better choice for some people, are they used without macros?

Either way, IMO a stick only helps to a really significant degree with things like plinking, with charge characters and with crazy hitting 9 buttons at once characters like Viper(or in games with similar execution requirements, ie MvC2).
Regardless, you don't need a stick to learn about spacing, footsies, etc. Just do some research and tough it out, I wouldn't believe I could get better if I didn't remember not thinking I could improve 6 months ago, it all takes time.

Go home and be a family man




jk

I guess i stand corrected, on a six button pad which allows you to slide that stuff is possibble.....(lowers head and walks away):(