Audi TT not shifting?

Cyrus · 13-07-2010 11:33AM #1

Morning all

just looking to canvas some opinion (hope this is ok mods im not trying to promote my sale and ive done this before). Ive listed my TT for sale as the customary cyrus 9 month ownership draws to a close

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Its been up on adverts, vagdrivers, donedeal and carzone for 7 days now and not a dickybird.

Im in the nice situation that im only selling to buy something else to try out so there is no pressure on my side, im also loath to sell this car for less than 23k, reason being that it is literally like new and anyone who knows me would know that i dont say that lightly.

so, im well aware that people will tell me if there is no interest the price is too high and thats a fair point, however it is the lowest price coupe on Carzone save for a high miler from a dealer.

so, in your opinion is my asking price off, relative to whats out there, or is the market for a relatively unpractical sporty car over 20k gone?

This is the car in question:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/TT/2.0-TFSi/201027198707728/advert?channel=CARS

mickdw · 13-07-2010 11:45AM

Ya market seems to be in sh1t. I had my 08 A5 up for a few weeks, It like yours was the cheapest except for a high mile car & the only interest I got was from people who would ask all the right questions with reasonable knowledge of the car so they were interested to a degree but when they would hear that I wasnt prepared to drop a further pile of money off the asking price, they were not interested. Like yourself, I dont need to sell so will just hold on to it.

I see a set of sessantas on there. Fabulous tyre for any money.

mickydoomsux · 13-07-2010 11:45AM

2.0 Petrol is the problem. Tax and fuel would be silly expensive.

I'm looking to get rid of my 1.6 Hyundai Coupe because of these factors. €50 a week just to get to work is retarded.

peasant · 13-07-2010 11:46AM

Maybe you should offer a pair of free, high quality scissors with it?

SCNR

:D:D

I'd say this

is the market for a relatively unpractical sporty car over 20k gone

is probably the nub of it. You'll just have to be patient

Cyrus · 13-07-2010 11:47AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

2.0 Petrol is the problem. Tax and fuel would be silly expensive.

I'm looking to get rid of my 1.6 Hyundai Coupe because of these factors. €50 a week just to get to work is retarded.

does that attitude still prevail, i find this car incredibly cheap to run, that said my last three cars were 3 litre, 3.2 and 3 litre all bmw 6 cyl petrols, one of them with M power

mickydoomsux · 13-07-2010 11:51AM

Cyrus wrote: »

does that attitude still prevail, i find this car incredibly cheap to run, that said my last three cars were 3 litre, 3.2 and 3 litre all bmw 6 cyl petrols, one of them with M power

Still prevail? The price of petrol keeps rising and petrol cars over like 1.4 just drink the stuff for the most part. Also the tax costing 3 times what an equivalent diesel will hurts a bit as well.

Cyrus · 13-07-2010 11:55AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Still prevail? The price of petrol keeps rising and petrol cars over like 1.4 just drink the stuff for the most part. Also the tax costing 3 times what an equivalent diesel will hurts a bit as well.

dunno, it does 35-40mpg on a long run, for a light car with 200bhp thats pretty ok me thinks

plus its a 07 so a 2.0 diesel will cost the same to tax?

i dunno i think i have a different mindset

Fizman · 13-07-2010 11:55AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

2.0 Petrol is the problem. Tax and fuel would be silly expensive.

I'm looking to get rid of my 1.6 Hyundai Coupe because of these factors. €50 a week just to get to work is retarded.

Nonsense. I have the same engine as the OP ('06 GTI) and like him, I'm finding the car to be a bit more economical than expected. I went from a 1.4 petrol to this 2.0 Tfsi and there is not a whole lot of difference in the mileage I get out of a full tank. I average about 34mpg, but can get around the 40 mark on long runs.

Tax is €614. That's not exactly silly expensive.

TestTransmission · 13-07-2010 11:56AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

2.0 Petrol is the problem. Tax and fuel would be silly expensive.

I'm looking to get rid of my 1.6 Hyundai Coupe because of these factors. €50 a week just to get to work is retarded.

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Still prevail? The price of petrol keeps rising and petrol cars over like 1.4 just drink the stuff for the most part. Also the tax costing 3 times what an equivalent diesel will hurts a bit as well.

Cyrus wrote: »

dunno, it does 35-40mpg on a long run, for a light car with 200bhp thats pretty ok me thinks

plus its a 07 so a 2.0 diesel will cost the same to tax?

i dunno i think i have a different mindset

Don't worry,plenty of us think like you do.
The day I buy a 1.4/1.6 diesel cause its cheap to tax I'll know I'm old

mickydoomsux · 13-07-2010 12:01PM

Petrol cars just aren't shifting anymore. My ma was looking to trade in her 1.6 petrol 08 Suzuki SX4 with f'k all milage to get a diesel SX4 or Kia C'eed and she couldn't get any more than about 9000 for her own.

Dealerships don't want petrol cars because people are dumping them by the truckload and buying diesels.

I fully expect i won't get any more than about 3000 for my '04 Hyundai Coupe when i go to trade it in to get a diesel S40.

13-07-2010 12:04PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

2.0 Petrol is the problem. Tax and fuel would be silly expensive.

I'm looking to get rid of my 1.6 Hyundai Coupe because of these factors. €50 a week just to get to work is retarded.

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Still prevail? The price of petrol keeps rising and petrol cars over like 1.4 just drink the stuff for the most part. Also the tax costing 3 times what an equivalent diesel will hurts a bit as well.

Tax on a 2007 2.0 petrol is €600 ish, hardly silly expensive, won't be looney on the fuel either. Your selling a 1.6 Hyundai Coupe because of tax and fuel cost ?

Gumbo · 13-07-2010 12:05PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Petrol cars just aren't shifting anymore. My ma was looking to trade in her 1.6 petrol 08 Suzuki SX4 with f'k all milage to get a diesel SX4 or Kia C'eed and she couldn't get any more than about 9000 for her own.

Dealerships don't want petrol cars because people are dumping them by the truckload and buying diesels.

I fully expect i won't get any more than about 3000 for my '04 Hyundai Coupe when i go to trade it in to get a diesel S40.

tbh, i think its the car that was the problem there!
there are still alot of people buying petrol cars out there!!!

recently sold an 2004 1.6 petrol civic for asking price of just under 8k.

mickydoomsux · 13-07-2010 12:08PM

RoverJames wrote: »

Your selling a 1.6 Hyundai Coupe because of tax and fuel cost ?

Doesn't make sense to me to pay ~€450 tax a year for the priviledge of putting €50 petrol a week into the car.

If i get a diesel s40 i'll be paying €156 tax and the fuel economy is close to double that of the Coupe.

Vanbis · 13-07-2010 12:08PM

RoverJames wrote: »

Tax on a 2007 2.0 petrol is €600 ish, hardly silly expensive, won't be looney on the fuel either. Your selling a 1.6 Hyundai Coupe because of tax and fuel cost ?

I'm selling a Golf GTI because of fuel and tax cost and looking to change to a diesel.

OP would you not look a trading in the car if you see or have found something you like? I know you wont get near the asking price but id be surprised if you found a buyer with the asking price. You can tell its in great condition and being well looked after.

Good look with the sale.

Gumbo · 13-07-2010 12:09PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Doesn't make sense to me to pay ~€450 tax a year for the priviledge of putting €50 petrol a week into the car.

If i get a diesel s40 i'll be paying €156 tax and the fuel economy is close to double that of the Coupe.

yes but you'll also pay the premium to buy the 2008 car in the first place which will balance out the savings over the lifetime of your ownership.

mickydoomsux · 13-07-2010 12:11PM

kceire wrote: »

yes but you'll also pay the premium to buy the 2008 car in the first place which will balance out the savings over the lifetime of your ownership.

I plan on holding on to the s40 for a few years so i'll end up saving. I was going to drive the Coupe into the ground but it just feels like throwing away money now.

13-07-2010 12:14PM

Factor in the shafting you get when trading in your car coupled with the auto shaft you get when buying it's replacement and the depreciation on the newish cheap to tax car and you save f all over 3 to 5 years. If you need to replace the DMF or have injector trouble etc it won't be long before you wish you had your petrol back again. False economy is the term I think.

R.O.R · 13-07-2010 12:16PM

While it looks like a mint example of a 2007 TT Cyrus, the price just seems a bit on the high side to me. I've no idea what others are going for, but book value on an 07 Coupe with 61,000km is €21,100 - that's what it would be expected to sell for from a dealer.

Looking at a similar type of vehicle, an 07 325i Coupe seems to be cheaper. Is it this type of competition that's stopping it from selling?

Gumbo · 13-07-2010 12:20PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I plan on holding on to the s40 for a few years so i'll end up saving. I was going to drive the Coupe into the ground but it just feels like throwing away money now.

have you done the figures to see if you will actually save anything over the course of ownership?

Cyrus · 13-07-2010 12:23PM

R.O.R wrote: »

While it looks like a mint example of a 2007 TT Cyrus, the price just seems a bit on the high side to me. I've no idea what others are going for, but book value on an 07 Coupe with 61,000km is €21,100 - that's what it would be expected to sell for from a dealer.

Looking at a similar type of vehicle, an 07 325i Coupe seems to be cheaper. Is it this type of competition that's stopping it from selling?

is the 'book value' not what a dealer would offer as a trade in? at €23.5k its the cheapest coupe bar one (the one has nearly 90,000 miles). Then there are some second hand dealers between 24.9 and 26 say, from an audi dealer you are looking at 26.5+?

i take the point on the 325, but again i would have thought the target market would have been scared off by the 'big' road tax and insurance concerns of a 2.5?

GTE · 13-07-2010 12:24PM

Cyrus wrote: »

dunno, it does 35-40mpg on a long run, for a light car with 200bhp thats pretty ok me thinks

plus its a 07 so a 2.0 diesel will cost the same to tax?

i dunno i think i have a different mindset

Though with a diesel that close to the tax change over to emissions you will probably find people are looking for cars one year younger to avail from it.

Theboinkmaster · 13-07-2010 12:26PM

Cyrus wrote: »

Morning all

just looking to canvas some opinion (hope this is ok mods im not trying to promote my sale and ive done this before). Ive listed my TT for sale as the customary cyrus 9 month ownership draws to a close .

Its been up on adverts, vagdrivers, donedeal and carzone for 7 days now and not a dickybird.

Im in the nice situation that im only selling to buy something else to try out so there is no pressure on my side, im also loath to sell this car for less than 23k, reason being that it is literally like new and anyone who knows me would know that i dont say that lightly.

so, im well aware that people will tell me if there is no interest the price is too high and thats a fair point, however it is the lowest price coupe on Carzone save for a high miler from a dealer.

so, in your opinion is my asking price off, relative to whats out there, or is the market for a relatively unpractical sporty car over 20k gone?

This is the car in question:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/TT/2.0-TFSi/201027198707728/advert?channel=CARS

I think the price is reasonable for the car but TBH it's just the overall economy. Rising unemployment etc and the type to spend this money on a car, let along this type of car, is rapidly reducing.

I'd say leave it there and see what happens but i don't think you'll get many calls. Also the colour wouldn't be to my taste at all so think that will make it a bit harder - quite specific to one's own taste.

Best of luck with the sale though.

Cyrus · 13-07-2010 12:27PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I think the price is reasonable for the car but TBH it's just the overall economy. Rising unemployment etc and the type to spend this money on a car, let along this type of car, is rapidly reducing.

I'd say leave it there and see what happens but i don't think you'll get many calls. Also the colour wouldn't be to my taste at all so think that will make it a bit harder - quite specific to one's own taste.

Best of luck with the sale though.

the colour doesnt photo well at all, it looks more green than grey in the pics, its a colour that changes with the light but 70-80% of the time it looks kinda graphite

R.O.R · 13-07-2010 12:28PM

Cyrus wrote: »

is the 'book value' not what a dealer would offer as a trade in? at €23.5k its the cheapest coupe bar one (the one has nearly 90,000 miles). Then there are some second hand dealers between 24.9 and 26 say, from an audi dealer you are looking at 26.5+?

i take the point on the 325, but again i would have thought the target market would have been scared off by the 'big' road tax and insurance concerns of a 2.5?

Book value should be what a car is expected to sell for, and should be around what the dealer offers as a trade in. Trade value of the car would be circa €3,000 lower.

The book is sometime way, way off though so maybe the other TT's listed for sale are priced correctly.

I'd see the target market for Coupe's like that as more concerned with the way it looks and how fast it can go (sweeping generalisation), rather than the running costs.

I also suspect the colour might not be to everyone's taste, but someone will be looking for that colour eventually.

Won't start on the dirty, stinking, cheating MH plate

Cyrus · 13-07-2010 12:30PM

bbk wrote: »

Though with a diesel that close to the tax change over to emissions you will probably find people are looking for cars one year younger to avail from it.

i take the point, but if we are comparing the diesel tt to a petrol one, there is no comparison really, petrol is more powerful, more refined and cheaper second hand id imagine,

if you are going to pay 4-5k more to get a diesel one year newer it will take you a long time to make up the difference in a road tax saving,

but i take the point that a lot of people see the annual road tax as a headline figure for some reason!

Cyrus · 13-07-2010 12:31PM

R.O.R wrote: »

Book value should be what a car is expected to sell for, and should be around what the dealer offers as a trade in. Trade value of the car would be circa €3,000 lower.

The book is sometime way, way off though so maybe the other TT's listed for sale are priced correctly.

I'd see the target market for Coupe's like that as more concerned with the way it looks and how fast it can go (sweeping generalisation), rather than the running costs.

I also suspect the colour might not be to everyone's taste, but someone will be looking for that colour eventually.

Won't start on the dirty, stinking, cheating MH plate

see my comments on the colour above, i should probably take more pics on a brighter day!

LOL at the MH plate

Cyrus · 13-07-2010 12:35PM

here are some pics i found on tinterweb showing the various faces of condor grey

picture.php?albumid=135710&pictureid=205204

GTE · 13-07-2010 12:40PM

Cyrus wrote: »

i take the point, but if we are comparing the diesel tt to a petrol one, there is no comparison really, petrol is more powerful, more refined and cheaper second hand id imagine!

You are the one that mentioned the diesel tax being the same to be fair so thats why Im continuing to compare but regardless of whether its a petrol or diesel if its an 07 buyers would definitely prefer the 08.

The purchase price is much more but that probably wont register with buyers for different reasons.

Right now there are so many obstacles to overcome and tax is just one part of it all.

Cyrus · 13-07-2010 12:41PM

bbk wrote: »

You are the one that mentioned the diesel tax being the same to be fair so thats why Im continuing to compare but regardless of whether its a petrol or diesel if its an 07 buyers would definitely prefer the 08.

why would buyers prefer a 08 petrol tt over a 07, tax difference is around €40?

GTE · 13-07-2010 12:46PM

Cyrus wrote: »

why would buyers prefer a 08 petrol tt over a 07, tax difference is around €40?

I dont quite know, I don't pay much attention to tax myself but to the "average" for want of a better word buyer they will know from once source or another that 08 cars and younger are lower tax in general so that generalisation will stick in their mind when the skim over carzone and the likes. Indeed people who have their homework done will have the actual tax savings in mind but there are even less of those around in the current market.

Anan1 · 13-07-2010 12:48PM

There's a lot of green in all those pics. I prefer it to a simple grey, but i'm not sure that the average buyer would. I recently sold a 1986 Porsche 911, it took a lot of patience and a willingness to drop the price quite a bit when the right buyer came along. It is doable, but you might think a bit more long-term when buying your next car. Or am I already too late?:)

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