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How realistic is The Wind That Shakes the Barley?

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    #92
    The Aussie
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    Agricola wrote: »
    Cant comment on the film cos im still LMFAO at Stinicker's post! :D

    yeh it was comedy gold alright, The Zohan is having a busy shift tonight, must be a full moon


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    #93
    conor.hogan.2
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    for a film - and not a book etc

    quite accurate.


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    #94
    K-9
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    Agricola wrote: »
    Cant comment on the film cos im still LMFAO at Stinicker's post! :D

    Unfortunately, while hilarious, people actually believe this stuff.

    I found the film incredibly sad and confirmation that Irish history and Republicanism in particular just repeats the same mistakes it always makes, as shown by Stinicker's post.

    The gun isn't the answer anymore, you'd think we'd have copped that over the last 40 years, with new generations.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #95
    goose2005
    Registered Users Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    Jordan's depiction I wouldn't say is 100% accurate
    It's scarcely 1% accurate. If the Tans had rode into Croke Park on tigers and shot laserbeams from their eyes it wouldn't be much less accurate.


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    #96
    OutlawPete
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    goose2005 wrote: »
    It's scarcely 1% accurate.

    I was referring specifically to the depictions of Bloody Sunday.

    The shot two of the players, one of them died and they indiscriminately opened fire on the crowd killing another 12 and injuring well over another sixty.

    They even shot the man whispering an act of contrition into the dying players ear.

    The scene I posted was far from just 1% accurate.


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    #97
    geeky
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    goose2005 wrote: »
    It's scarcely 1% accurate. If the Tans had rode into Croke Park on tigers and shot laserbeams from their eyes it wouldn't be much less accurate.

    :eek:
    That would RULE.

    *goes off to write a new script*


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    #98
    Amhran Nua
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    bonerm wrote: »
    More realistic that Michael Collins (1995) anyway.
    You'd enjoy the better (definitive in my opinion) version from 1991, The Treaty, with Brendan Gleeson as Collins.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDQ6qR9Ow7E


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    #99
    Glenster
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    Confab wrote: »
    What about Cromwell's lot?
    Actually Cromwell is very misrepresented in Irish history, but let's not ruin a good UK-bashing thread with facts!


    facepalm


    opinionfail


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    #100
    Paparazzo
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    goose2005 wrote: »
    It's scarcely 1% accurate. If the Tans had rode into Croke Park on tigers and shot laserbeams from their eyes it wouldn't be much less accurate.

    I know a historian in the army who was involved in the film, he specifically asked for his name to be removed from the credits of that film because it was so inaccurate


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    #101
    aDeener
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    K-9 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, while hilarious, people actually believe this stuff.

    I found the film incredibly sad and confirmation that Irish history and Republicanism in particular just repeats the same mistakes it always makes, as shown by Stinicker's post.

    The gun isn't the answer anymore, you'd think we'd have copped that over the last 40 years, with new generations.

    whilst the ethnically cleansing part of his post was truly awful, i cant see much of a problem with the rest of what he said. im giving him the benefit of the doubt with the british are awful line which got him banned, assuming he meant the british army.


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    #102
    aDeener
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    goose2005 wrote: »
    It's scarcely 1% accurate. If the Tans had rode into Croke Park on tigers and shot laserbeams from their eyes it wouldn't be much less accurate.

    1%? ah come on now


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    #103
    MrStuffins
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    It is a perfect portrayal of how things were but actually things were far worse. The Black and Tans along with Cromwell were the worst thing to ever set foot in Ireland. The pity was the Civil War and that there was not Unity and invade the North and ethnically cleanse the Protestants there. The British were and still are the worst sort of b*stards you could come across :mad::mad:

    People should remember after this film the North of Ireland is to this day still under British rule and until this ends we will never have achieved our freedom.

    WTF?

    Hahahahahahahahaha! That's just brilliant.

    This is why i love Boards (and am scared of the real world)


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    #104
    kenneth5
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    In this film Loach protray's the pro treaty's abondoning of the socialist aims of the republican movement as a more significant factor in the split than partition. I would like to know is this protrayel accurate or was it Loach putting his own spin on things?


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    #105
    private2bcadet
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    well,.. im studdying history at nuig, and from what ive seen, it actually is quite accurate, while being inaccurate in other areas.

    people in this country have a problem,

    one half of the country tries to glorify, and completely blow out of proportion what happened between ireland and england.

    the other half, tries to pretend what DID happen, was also propaganda!

    the main characters in this movie, were, it seams from the history of the area during the war, based on real people, just with similar or different names. but yet a lot of things that happened to them and their unit didnt actually happen.

    the bad thing is, that people who know that these things didnt happen to his unit, are unfortunate enough to think that they didnt still happen all over the country!

    in reality, france was better off under the nazis (apart from for french jews) than ireland was at the time.

    there are things that the british forces in ireland did to irish people, that you wouldnt even expect in a Quentin tarentino movie.

    the ACTUAL fact, not just figure of speach, is that the tans and the auxies, largely, LITERALLY were psychopaths. they were recruited from prisons and mental asylums (war vets). along with from the british public. a large proportion of them actually were psychopaths. and behaved like so!

    ireland was a poor rural nation at the time. a very small minority of what the tans/auxies actually got away with was actually documented. although the stuff that is documented still makes me sick.



    as i said, there are mostly 2 types of people in this country, the people who dont like to admit irelands true history, and the people who like to completely exaggerate it. what happens here is that both of these groups, are completely afraid of looking like the other, so both completely blow their ideas out of proportion. some stupid enough to act as if these things didnt happen, and others stupid enough to think we lived on an island concentration camp


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    #106
    Apanachi
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    Anastasia Nutty Beach wrote: »
    I laughed through the whole film because of their stupid accents.

    Glad I watched it in German then.

    I've refused to watch many an Irish film with American actors cos I couldn't listen to the crappy accents any more (Tom Cruise anyone?) Would have thought The Wind That Shakes The Barley would have been OK though due to the many Irish actors in it....


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    #107
    Amazotheamazing
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    It is a perfect portrayal of how things were but actually things were far worse. The Black and Tans along with Cromwell were the worst thing to ever set foot in Ireland. The pity was the Civil War and that there was not Unity and invade the North and ethnically cleanse the Protestants there. The British were and still are the worst sort of b*stards you could come across :mad::mad:

    People should remember after this film the North of Ireland is to this day still under British rule and until this ends we will never have achieved our freedom.

    As usual the damn Vikings and Norman's get away scott bloody free. It's all Britain this and Britain that, but no one ever stands up for Brian Boru being murdered while he prayed no less. Don't even get me started on the Fir Bolg.


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    #108
    who the fug
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    Still want to know how a lad born and raised in West Cork ended up with a Cork city accent and had friends


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    #109
    Amazotheamazing
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    who the fug wrote: »
    Still want to know how a lad born and raised in West Cork ended up with a Cork city accent and had friends

    Same situation as kids growing up in Bray having D4 accents, though we'll never work out how people from Bray have friends.


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    #110
    LordSutch
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    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    I know it's not a true story as such. The characters and plot are fictional, however based in a real situation.

    But how realistic is it?

    Does it portray the Irish as romantic, idealistic resistance fighters who take to violence only because there is no other self-respecting course, while portraying the British as blood-thirsty, sadistic, murdering psychopaths? How accurate is all this? Is the movie fair and balanced, or is it biased?

    I think the film would have been much more insightive & informative, if the chilling events of twenty four hours perviously (to the start of the film) had also been enacted & included in the story, for me the 'context' is missing from the start of the film.


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    #111
    jonsnow
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    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    I know it's not a true story as such. The characters and plot are fictional, however based in a real situation.

    But how realistic is it?

    Does it portray the Irish as romantic, idealistic resistance fighters who take to violence only because there is no other self-respecting course, while portraying the British as blood-thirsty, sadistic, murdering psychopaths? How accurate is all this? Is the movie fair and balanced, or is it biased?

    If you,re going to slate a film could you at least use a quote from a critic who bothered to make her comments after she had seen the film.Ruth Dudley Edwards made that statement before even watching it.The film was meticulously researched by respected local historians with an unsurpassed knowledge of the locality and era.You can listen to their commentary on the dvd to verify its accuracy.The film also explained that many of the british soldiers were traumatized trench veterans and one british soldier helped the IRA men escape(based on a true story).The british army behaved like that in west cork during this era-its only bias to deny this historical truth.By your logic british children should not be allowed watch the battle of britain in school-a far less historically accurate film than the wind that shakes the barley


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    #112
    Nodin
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    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    As usual the damn Vikings and Norman's get away scott bloody free. It's all Britain this and Britain that, but no one ever stands up for Brian Boru being murdered while he prayed no less. Don't even get me started on the Fir Bolg.

    Thats because a good bit of the army with the Bould Brian was Viking......Also, their beards and axes make them lovable.


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    #113
    stovelid
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    I think it's a great song but only the Clancy Brothers do it justice.


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    #114
    LarrytheLantern
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    i thought the scene where just before they murdered the old landed gent and he said,

    "God help Ireland if you sort ever take over!"

    was so prophetic.

    they (the soldiers of recession) have, and we're well 'n truly fuuuucked.:eek:
    how right he was!:D


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    #115
    mike65
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    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    Its only a film. uppity Irish.

    ;)

    Never seen it, someone mentioned the Burning of Cork wasn't depicted, Wind was made by The Ireland and British film councils and some small Euro companies so that sort of thing was never likely.

    Now if Jerry Buckheimer was the producer and Michael Bay directed you'd have your fire and a spectacularly bad cast.


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    #116
    sentient_6
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    Not sure it was mentioned cos i dont want to read through the whole thread, but i though the bit where they start singing Amhran na bhFiann in the prison was cheesey & hilarious.


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    #117
    citizen_p
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    "chickennnn cooooop"
    "you wrecked yer fag box"

    great amusment.

    its the typical thing," it divided culture and there was no middle ground, in some cases brothers would fight brothers in the civil war"


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    #118
    InTheTrees
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    grenache wrote: »
    The most savage group of armed mercenaries ever to set foot in this country.

    I dunno:

    gallóglaigh

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallowglass


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    #119
    Paddy Samurai
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    K-9 wrote: »

    The gun isn't the answer anymore, you'd think we'd have copped that over the last 40 years, with new generations.

    Your dead right K-9 ,bio weapons are the future.


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    #120
    Celly Smunt
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    the film was a bit shít to be honest


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    #121
    karlog
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    Low budget film so not very realistic at all.


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