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I agree, although also suggest there is a difference between what is viewed as over zealous moderation and overstepping the mark.
I'm not sure I see how. Either a moderator is acting acceptable as a moderator or they're not. If they're not overstepping the mark, then you seem to be saying that "over zealous" is - at times - acceptable. To be honest...if its acceptable, then its acceptable.
My bad. When you said "the only solution", I assumed you meant that the options you presented were the only options.I wasn’t suggesting there were only two options, but from observation they seem to be the options more usually chosen by others.
Agreed. That's why I disagreed with your suggestion that options for the "only solution" ruled out choosing third party arbitration. I would encourage people to take that option, because at the end of the day, the forum exists for them....not for the people running it.The problem arises where members vote with their feet and don’t choose to seek third party arbitration, for whatever reason. Thus the problem remains under the radar and the only indication may be forums which used to be busy and thriving becoming less busy, with less and less members posting there less and less frequently.
Again, I don't follow your reasoning.Neither am I interested in him receiving a rebuke, as that seems unlikely and a little pointless, if one follows the logic of that through.
He seems to enjoy it or get something out of it, so my view is to let him continue to enjoy it if adds something to the happiness of his life.
You're suggesting that it would seem pointless to do something about a moderator acting unreasonably..and that if he's enjoying himself, thats more important then the right thing being done. All this coming on the back of pointing out that people will vote with their feet...and you're certainly not suggesting that its a good thing that a forum lose a lot of members.
How does that work? On one hand, its a bad thing if a moderator is driving people away from the forum. On the other hand, as long as he's enjoying himself, thats more important?I agree wholeheartedly. While it’s not the only option for anyone, I've looked at some threads from the past, and from the number of posts in the past on the forum when compared to recently, all one can say with confidence is that the forum appears a lot quieter nowadays than it has been in the past.
The forum has its ups and downs, like many forums. There are certainly fewer people, at present, who just want to deride AGW, Climate Change, or whatever else you may prefer to call it, but I suspect that whenever the next big media storm arrives (for events either supporting or knocking this) that it'll all kick off again.
Before Politics grew into the monster that it is today, we used to see a similar pattern. Its common on a lot of forums, really....a cyclical pattern.
So yes...it has been busier at times in the past. Its also been comparatively quiet at times. It varies.
If, however, someone suspects that this is being caused by moderation, then I would say that they have a choice to make...whether they care enough about the forum to stand up against what they perceive to be wrong, or are just happy to stand by and watch it sink...all the while going "I told you so. I wasn't willing to do anything about it....but I told you so".0 -
I'm not sure I see how. Either a moderator is acting acceptable as a moderator or they're not. If they're not overstepping the mark, then you seem to be saying that "over zealous" is - at times - acceptable. To be honest...if it’s acceptable, then it’s acceptable.
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Over stepping the mark is not acceptable, whereas over zealous suggests someone who is over eager and who may, or may not, overstep a mark. But that’s just semantics and finer tuning, as it were.
Agreed. That's why I disagreed with your suggestion that options for the "only solution" ruled out choosing third party arbitration. I would encourage people to take that option, because at the end of the day, the forum exists for them....not for the people running it.
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It’s up to each of us to decide for ourselves. For example, I might decided for myself that a moderator is over zealous, or is petty, or is irritating, but that doesn’t mean I will also decide that I want to have him reprimanded, or go to the bother of making a complaint about him, even if I thought that there was enough evidence for a complaint. It’s quite possible that he is all those things and there is not enough evidence to make a successful complaint.
I can’t speak for others but, in life, if it’s a choice between action and inaction, inaction usually wins out for 99 people out of 100.
You're suggesting that it would seem pointless to do something about a moderator acting unreasonably..and that if he's enjoying himself, thats more important then the right thing being done. All this coming on the back of pointing out that people will vote with their feet...and you're certainly not suggesting that its a good thing that a forum lose a lot of members.
How does that work? On one hand, its a bad thing if a moderator is driving people away from the forum. On the other hand, as long as he's enjoying himself, thats more important?
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Actually, here we do disagree. I’m not sure it’s a case of which is more important to me as a member, but I imagine that I’ll probably not want to make a formal complaint, recognise that the moderator in question must be getting something out of it for himself, and will either move on and avoid the forum again or, perhaps, dip my toe in the water occasionally to see if the moderator is still behaving in the same way from time to time.a lot of members.
The forum has its ups and downs, like many forums. There are certainly fewer people, at present, who just want to deride AGW, Climate Change, or whatever else you may prefer to call it, but I suspect that whenever the next big media storm arrives (for events either supporting or knocking this) that it'll all kick off again.
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Perhaps you are right. Although looking through the forum I also notice that the same moderator closes down threads because he doesn’t like them, or for other reasons personal to himself.
Again, that puts me off contributing there as, to me, that says that the moderator sees himself there not as a moderator to assist the forum and assist others in discussing what they want to discuss, but seems to see it more as his personal fiefdom who seems to arbitrarily censor what others want to discuss, (“I don't think we need a separate thread for every model of electric vehicle” or “Windman has not posted anything since 2005 - I think it's unlikely that he'll be back any time soon”). The fact that some members might want to discuss topics appears less import to the moderator than his own personal desires seems less like moderation and more like a fiefdom.
Before Politics grew into the monster that it is today, we used to see a similar pattern. Its common on a lot of forums, really....a cyclical pattern.
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I also read about a large number of similar complaints being made about a moderator’s behaviour on the politics forums. It may appear to be a coincidence, but the politics forums have grown to the wonderful monster it is today since that moderator ceased to moderate there.
Interestingly, those complaints were ruled at the time to be without substance. On one of those threads, http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055375700, the venom and antagonism shown to a member who raised the issue hardly encourages others to make similar points for fear of receiving a similar response.
So yes...it has been busier at times in the past. Its also been comparatively quiet at times. It varies.
If, however, someone suspects that this is being caused by moderation, then I would say that they have a choice to make...whether they care enough about the forum to stand up against what they perceive to be wrong, or are just happy to stand by and watch it sink...all the while going "I told you so. I wasn't willing to do anything about it....but I told you so".
I think, if I am honest, I don’t feel responsible for any forum at boards to sink or swim. While I hope all the forums are successful, I’m an occasional user of boards and don’t have a huge emotional or intellectual involvement in it. I am not encouraged to use it more by what I view as unacceptable behaviour by the particular moderator, and whether or not I am typical of others I have no idea as I only speak for myself.
For the most part I enjoy boards and hope, as you suggest, that the Sustainability & Environmental Forum once again becomes a thriving and exciting place of interesting debate.0 -
Agreed. That's why I disagreed with your suggestion that options for the "only solution" ruled out choosing third party arbitration. I would encourage people to take that option, because at the end of the day, the forum exists for them....not for the people running it.
It's ironic that you should encourage anyone to take that option. the old profile, jacaranda, has been deleted and I am no longer able to post here. It seems that you don't like anyone who makes a criticism, even if its meant as a way to improve the site. Its sad to see a site delete a profile to stop the individual making arguments you don't like.
As a result, I have made a copy of this correspondence and will publicise it and encourage my friends to copy it to their friends, as a demonstration of how you run this site, and will encourage anyone to boycott and not use a site which treats people in such a cavalier fashion.
I will also deleted this profile and hope you can rethink your bully boy tactics which, when demonstrated in email , will not reflect well on the administration of this site.0 -
nothing to do with "bully boy" tactics.
you were banned for re-registering multiple accounts to bypass forum bans and post crap.
Its amazing how trolls , even clever ones like yourself, always resort to the "admins/cmods/mods are bullies!" when they break clearly stated rules and then refuse to accept that the real reason for their ban is the actual reason.
yes. the admins were so threatened by your ability to post coherently that we ganged up on you in a souper sekrit meeting and gagged your voice of inspiration for fear of the masses awakening from their torpor and taking back the massive amounts of money that users are charged for access to the stire and its resources....oh wait...0 -
I have created this profile specifically to answer the lies in Lolth’s response to the post by “vulacno” at 14.14 today.nothing to do with "bully boy" tactics.
you were banned for re-registering multiple accounts to bypass forum bans and post crap.
It is simply a lie to suggest that I have “multiple accounts” or “re-registered”, and that you have to stoop to such lies is revealing. If you consider that I post crap, then no one forced you to respond to crap from me or anyone else you consider produces crap, but it is also revealing that you cite that as a reason to ban someone.
It’s easy to make such accusations, even when they are lies, and I am sad for you that you feel the necessity to make up lies as justification for your actions.
It is no coincidence that your timing to have decided that I have “multiple accounts” and have “re-registered” is now, at the point where you found what I had to say uncomfortable. Funny how you didn’t decide that, before I started to make you uncomfortable with what I had to say here.Its amazing how trolls , even clever ones like yourself, always resort to the "admins/cmods/mods are bullies!" when they break clearly stated rules and then refuse to accept that the real reason for their ban is the actual reason.
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Again, you are simply wrong. If it gives you some comfort to believe your lies above and your claim that I have accused that the “"admins/cmods/mods are bullies!", then you are either deluded, or else trying to find excuses for your lies.
Either way, I really can’t care too much as any site where admins stoops to lies to justify their decisions to delete a members account is not a site that I, or many others who I know, would want to be associated with.
Sadly, I will circulate this correspondence to those in my address book and ask them to pass it on to those in their address books and so on, and ask that they think twice before using a site where the admins see themselves as judge, jury and hangman, and where there is no natural justice allowed, and where members are vilified and bullied with no recourse.
That makes you come over as a little man who feels the need to lie to justify your actions to yourself, and no one reading this will be taken in by your obvious lies and your obvious timing of the ban
Naturally, you’ll want to have the last word here and I won’t bother creating another profile to answer whatever lies you further come up with. By your words you are known, and you are known now as a liar.0 -
Again, you are simply wrong. If it gives you some comfort to believe your lies above and your claim that I have accused that the “"admins/cmods/mods are bullies!", then you are either deluded, or else trying to find excuses for your lies.
It gives me comfort banning re-reg users so normal users dont have mod/cmod and admin time taken away from meeting their requirements.Either way, I really can’t care too much as any site where admins stoops to lies to justify their decisions to delete a members account is not a site that I, or many others who I know, would want to be associated with.
well, at least we can agree on the result if not the reason then. see? there is a happy medium to be found in every dispute!Sadly, I will circulate this correspondence to those in my address book and ask them to pass it on to those in their address books and so on, and ask that they think twice before using a site where the admins see themselves as judge, jury and hangman, and where there is no natural justice allowed, and where members are vilified and bullied with no recourse.
and again we are in agreement. that is actually quite sad.That makes you come over as a little man who feels the need to lie to justify your actions to yourself, and no one reading this will be taken in by your obvious lies and your obvious timing of the ban
oh stop. you'll make me blush. you had me at "I created this profile because my other one was banned". oh, and neither bonkey nor myself banned the jacaranda account. it was banned for re-regging multiple times, nothign to do with this thread but, if you wish to believe otherwise and see this as a personal vendetta against you personally, then I shall do all in my power to make your wishes come true.Naturally, you’ll want to have the last word here and I won’t bother creating another profile to answer whatever lies you further come up with.
do you pinky swear?0
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