another suspended sentence

06-07-2010 08:34AM #1

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/newlywed-who-had-sex-with-girl-12-walks-free-from-court-2247064.html

Colin Reynolds (27), a father of two from Highfield, Ballyshannon, Co Donegal, admitted sexually assaulting the girl on a date between June and August 2002 when he was 19. He is one of six men before the courts -- and the third to be sentenced -- for sexually assaulting the girl when she was aged between 12 and 13.

Sentencing him to 18 months' imprisonment but suspending this for five years, Judge Raymond Fullam said he accepted his remorse was genuine.

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Taking the stand, an emotional Reynolds -- whose daughters are five and two -- said the pending sentencing had put "a bit of a dampener" on his wedding day last month.

Are they all on drugs in those courts or what?

Oh and a bit of a dampener on the wedding day - boo hoo. If I were the bride it would be a major dampener, marrying someone who had sex with an underage girl :rolleyes:

r3nu4l · 06-07-2010 08:36AM

It's scaaandalous Joe, bleedin' scandalous!

Dravokivich · 06-07-2010 08:40AM

Gda Feeney confirmed the troubled young victim, now aged 20, had kept a detailed diary that included the names of 60 men. And she claimed to have had sex with 21 of the men named.

That bítch!

06-07-2010 08:43AM

This isn't the fuking church.. Genuine remorse shouldn't get you off scott free.
Sick bullshlt.

henryporter · 06-07-2010 08:50AM

Ah but look at the progress in our society - a couple of centuries ago the victim would have been drowned as a witch

--Kaiser-- · 06-07-2010 09:00AM

bluewolf wrote: »

marrying someone who had sex with an underage girl :rolleyes:

Aye, his bride must be one classy bird

antodeco · 06-07-2010 09:07AM

Without sounding like I am protecting him at all (which I am not), it does sound like the 12 year old girl knew what she was doing, and has been since...

easyeason3 · 06-07-2010 09:07AM

A bit of a dampener on his wedding day?

I sincerely hope it puts a major dampener on the rest of his life.

06-07-2010 09:08AM

antodeco wrote: »

Without sounding like I am protecting him at all (which I am not), it does sound like the 12 year old girl knew what she was doing, and has been since...

It doesn't matter. She's 12 and not considered old enough to give consent.

I would be DYING to know why this plank gets a suspended sentence, guaranteed it has happened and will happen again that a 17 year old with his 16 year old girlfriend would be locked up.

06-07-2010 09:09AM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Aye, his bride must be one classy bird

He didn't have sex with the girl as far as I know..

easyeason3 · 06-07-2010 09:09AM

antodeco wrote: »

Without sounding like I am protecting him at all (which I am not), it does sound like the 12 year old girl knew what she was doing, and has been since...

Ok even if she was it's still wrong.
When you were 19 would you have rode, or whatever it is they got up to, with a 12 year old however much she put it out there to be had?

antodeco · 06-07-2010 09:12AM

bluewolf wrote: »

It doesn't matter. She's 12 and not considered old enough to give consent.

I would be DYING to know why this plank gets a suspended sentence, guaranteed it has happened and will happen again that a 17 year old with his 16 year old girlfriend would be locked up.

easyeason3 wrote: »

Ok even if she was it's still wrong.
When you were 19 would you have rode a 12 year old however much she out it out there to be had?

No, I completley agree that she was underage, and that he was "overage" in relation to age difference, but theres so many children being tarted up like 18 year olds, whether they do it purposely or not (alot of the time its the parents fault). It states that when she was 12/13, there were another 6 men on the same charges? Something sounds someway fishy about it.

easyeason3 · 06-07-2010 09:17AM

antodeco wrote: »

No, I completley agree that she was underage, and that he was "overage" in relation to age difference, but theres so many children being tarted up like 18 year olds, whether they do it purposely or not (alot of the time its the parents fault). It states that when she was 12/13, there were another 6 men on the same charges? Something sounds someway fishy about it.

Yeah the someway fishy is that no matter how developed you are or tarted up as a 12 year old you will still look like a child & unless these men were Stevie Wonder I fail to see how they couldn't have known.

Whether she wanted it or not is irrelevant. They are adults, at least in the eyes of the law, & they were the ones to let this happen.

And yes I would question where her parents were too.

El Siglo · 06-07-2010 09:25AM

There's a reason why there's an age of consent. Fuck sake, what fucking planet are people on? Oh she knew what she was doing, bullshit, she's still a fucking child. A bit of a dampner on the wedding? It's amazing how everyone was so willing to jump on the Ryan Report bandwagon last year, blame the catholic church for abusing children and yet a fucker like this sexually assaults a child and gets a suspended sentence? Or the stupid bint he's marrying actually goes ahead with it. I wouldn't be surprised if he's up in court again for abusing any of the children he might have in the future. God might fucking forgive you, but the state shouldn't. I'm not surprised anymore, people are fucking retarded.

Macca07 · 06-07-2010 10:54AM

So if you show remorse you get away with it...

What a complete fooking joke of a system.

The judge who handed out that sentence must be seriously confused with the way the world works!!!

walshb · 06-07-2010 10:57AM

Macca07 wrote: »

The judge who handed out that sentence must be seriously confused with the way the world works!!!

What's new?

the_syco · 06-07-2010 11:05AM

Taking the stand, an emotional Reynolds -- whose daughters are five and two -- said the pending sentencing had put "a bit of a dampener" on his wedding day last month.[/quoote]

The judge added that Reynolds would carry the social disgrace from being placed on the sex offenders' register for five years.

[qupte]Paul Gilmore (30) and Kenneth McDonald (34), both from Lawne Park, Ballyshannon, Co Donegal, are serving jail sentences for sexually assaulting the girl.

He got away with it, and he has two daughters. Two other men went to jail for it. Why wasn't he sent to jail? I do hope it's not because he has a "family" now.

aDeener · 06-07-2010 11:09AM

this is obviously terrible but what id like to know is how do they prove he done anything with her 8 years ago

barring an admission of guilt of course, she could have written men's names that she just fancied but never went near her

entropi · 06-07-2010 11:10AM

Seriously...how DO these judges get into power? almost as bad as the feckin politicians ffs with their idiotic decisions:mad:

Judges are supposed to uphold the law by sending scum to jail for a long time, but they plead/feign remorse or some such bullsh*t excuse and get off with suspended sentences all the time...

Maybe the suspended sentence should only be used in minor offences (max jail term of 6 months) from now on?

How that guy got off is beyond all comprehension...should have been locked up for minimum of 5 years.

Ruu_Old · 06-07-2010 11:12AM

Master of Nothing wrote: »

Seriously...how DO these judges get into power? almost as bad as the feckin politicians ffs with their idiotic decisions:mad:

Judges are supposed to uphold the law by sending scum to jail for a long time, but they plead/feign remorse or some such bullsh*t excuse and get off with suspended sentences all the time...

Maybe the suspended sentence should only be used in minor offences (max jail term of 6 months) from now on?

How that guy got off is beyond all comprehension...should have been locked up for minimum of 5 years.

They collect 20 tokens from the Lyons Tea boxes.

thebigbiffo · 06-07-2010 11:13AM

this whole case is f'ucked up and shouldn't represent a bandwagon for people to jump on regarding sentencing or child abuse.

this girls parents went f'ucking drinking with lads who they know full well were shagging their daughter. the girl, although waaayyy too young knew exactly what she was doing and she admitted hiding her age from these men. these lads were all in their late teens when this **** happened and the age difference, if there is even a shred of doubt about what this girl looked like, acted like or told these guys is negligable and doesn't automatically scream 'peado childabuser' in my mind. if you ask me, the f'uckin parents should be charged too. i've no sympathy for these lads, but this case is no cut and dry 'let them hang' senario and some of the lynch mob on here should show some objectivity.

reprazant · 06-07-2010 11:23AM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

this whole case is f'ucked up and shouldn't represent a bandwagon for people to jump on regarding sentencing or child abuse.

this girls parents went f'ucking drinking with lads who they know full well were shagging their daughter. the girl, although waaayyy too young knew exactly what she was doing and she admitted hiding her age from these men. these lads were all in their late teens when this **** happened and the age difference, if there is even a shred of doubt about what this girl looked like, acted like or told these guys is negligable and doesn't automatically scream 'peado childabuser' in my mind. if you ask me, the f'uckin parents should be charged too. i've no sympathy for these lads, but this case is no cut and dry 'let them hang' senario and some of the lynch mob on here should show some objectivity.

Eh, biffo, you are not actually meant to read about the case and look at it objectively.

You are just meant to scream and shout and say that they should have had their balls chopped off, etc and generally act like the idiots who seem to appear in tabloids and the likes of Sky News who say that lynching is too good for them.

prinz · 06-07-2010 11:27AM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

this whole case is f'ucked up and shouldn't represent a bandwagon for people to jump on regarding sentencing or child abuse..

It's a bandwagon?

No, I think people are just unhappy with a suspended sentence in the case of an adult engaging in inappropriate sexual conduct with a child, regardless of how she looked or what she did.

There is more to this case, but that doesn't mean a suspended sentence should be applied here, nor that people should be happy about it.

phill106 · 06-07-2010 11:47AM

Im guessing she was a promiscuous 12-13 year old who looked older then she was, and lied about age.
I too blame the parents. Wont somebody please think of the children!

PeterIanStaker · 06-07-2010 12:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This isn't the fuking church.

Its definitely not the Church, article said 12 year old girl

06-07-2010 12:10PM

reprazant wrote: »

Eh, biffo, you are not actually meant to read about the case and look at it objectively.

You are just meant to scream and shout and say that they should have had their balls chopped off, etc and generally act like the idiots who seem to appear in tabloids and the likes of Sky News who say that lynching is too good for them.

There's a vast chasm between suspended sentence and castration. I'm pretty sure most of us are falling in the middle.
I don't care how she or the parents acted. Charge the parents too, but a suspended sentence for him is still ridiculous.

El Siglo · 06-07-2010 12:26PM

Ruu wrote: »

They collect 20 tokens from the Lyons Tea boxes.

Collect 25 and get a free vuvuzela.

thebigbiffo · 06-07-2010 12:26PM

reprazant wrote: »

Eh, biffo, you are not actually meant to read about the case and look at it objectively.

You are just meant to scream and shout and say that they should have had their balls chopped off, etc and generally act like the idiots who seem to appear in tabloids and the likes of Sky News who say that lynching is too good for them.

whoops, sorry. i'll go fetch my pitchfork...

and in response to the rest of the mob, my opinion is a suspended sentence is the right call here. this guys in his late 20's now with 2 kids to look after. a judge forming the opinion that he's seen the error of his ways or has seem some mitigating factors in the case is fine with me. he didn't kill anyone, has shown remorse and yer one was obviously sluttin around town while her folks drank themselves silly.

people...SHE SLEPT WITH 30 ODD lads, kept there names and f'ucking rated them. she was 13 (only a few years younger than most of these fellas at the time) and she knew exactly what she was doing. comparing this to institutional abuse insults the victims in those cases ffs

mikom · 06-07-2010 12:42PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

people...SHE SLEPT WITH 30 ODD lads, kept there names and f'ucking rated them. she was 13

Top of the pops was so much different in my day.

celticbest · 06-07-2010 12:44PM

Simple mandatory sentencing minimum time for each type of crime but the judge can increase a sentence if deemed at the more severe end of the scale.

El Siglo · 06-07-2010 12:47PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

whoops, sorry. i'll go fetch my pitchfork...

and in response to the rest of the mob, my opinion is a suspended sentence is the right call here. this guys in his late 20's now with 2 kids to look after. a judge forming the opinion that he's seen the error of his ways or has seem some mitigating factors in the case is fine with me. he didn't kill anyone, has shown remorse and yer one was obviously sluttin around town while her folks drank themselves silly.

people...SHE SLEPT WITH 30 ODD lads, kept there names and f'ucking rated them. she was 13 (only a few years younger than most of these fellas at the time) and she knew exactly what she was doing. comparing this to institutional abuse insults the victims in those cases ffs

How do you know what's going through her head? She was still a fucking child, if these lads had sex with her it's still statutory rape. After the Ryan Report, the state now has a duty of care towards children. No matter how much you don't like it, no matter how much you think the victim is a little 'hussy', the law is the law and these lads should be prosecuted to the full extent of it. Regardless of their position now. I'm not calling for a lynch mob, just a mandatory sentence.
The bit that everyone is missing is that this case could be used as a defence in the future where you could have an adult who raped a child claiming he didn't know, he was young at the time himself etc... this case will set an ugly precendent for any future victims.

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