When & How could there be a united Ireland?

trapsagenius · 05-07-2010 09:52PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Yes, I would do so too.

I suggest looking up "Éire Nua"or what I posted in RaN. I think it is the way to go.

Shhhh!Don't let them know we're members of that!:pac:

gurramok · 05-07-2010 09:52PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Perhaps ? Perhaps not ? Were really getting into hypotheticals now though since no Government has ever proposed such a thing and is not likely to in the foreseeable future.

Should each of the counties/regions/provinces of the Republic or the UK mainland be expected to be entirely self financing

Mayo is not trying to secede

Which is your answer, yes or no?

Recently, there have been warnings from the NI assembly of severe cutbacks hence my question of such a scenario along with high taxes in order for NI to pay for itself.

Its interesting how Owen will not pay a high price and you are on the fence on such an issue

Wolfe Tone · 05-07-2010 09:53PM

dan719 wrote: »

You are either extremely naive, or are being purposely obtuse. Look at the experience of whites in post apartheid South Africa. To claim that people who have been discriminated against are less likely to discriminate is ludicrous in the extreme.

@ Gurramok

No I wouldn't, and in Ireland it is misleading to look at the direct levels of taxation as a measure of the tax burden, as they are kept artificially low by the use of so called stealth taxes.

I'd rather my tax Euro be put towards funding hospitals, schools and the like, rather than satisfying the wet dreams of the likes of SF and bringing the Republic into a costly, protracted and almost certainly deadly struggle to maintain power in the six counties.

Thats right, we will arm ourselves and drive them off the land......

If a federal republic is what happens there will be very little opportunity for institutional discrimination. Ulster will have its own parliament.

Wolfe Tone · 05-07-2010 09:54PM

trapsagenius wrote: »

Shhhh!Don't let them know we're members of that!:pac:

Woops! haha

owenc · 05-07-2010 09:55PM

gurramok wrote: »

Mayo is not trying to secede

Which is your answer, yes or no?

Recently, there have been warnings from the NI assembly of severe cutbacks hence my question of such a scenario along with high taxes in order for NI to pay for itself.

Its interesting how Owen will not pay a high price and you are on the fence on such an issue

Well hes from down south what do you expect.

owenc · 05-07-2010 09:56PM

gurramok wrote: »

Mayo is not trying to secede

Which is your answer, yes or no?

Recently, there have been warnings from the NI assembly of severe cutbacks hence my question of such a scenario along with high taxes in order for NI to pay for itself.

Its interesting how Owen will not pay a high price and you are on the fence on such an issue

And they'll drag me away too but i'll be keeping my land that you say we stole.:rolleyes: It dosen't matter anyway it won't happen in my lifetime.

Wolfe Tone · 05-07-2010 09:59PM

owenc wrote: »

Well hes from down south what do you expect.

You seem to have a rather base attitude towards "southerners"

You are aware Edward Carson came from Dublin?

dan719 · 05-07-2010 10:02PM

jordan.. wrote: »

you are a retard

May I congratulate you on your fantastic debating skills. I feel we have all learnt a lot from you.:rolleyes:

Why is it, that any debate on Northern Ireland ends in name calling?

P. Breathnach · 05-07-2010 10:03PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

... If a federal republic is what happens there will be very little opportunity for institutional discrimination. Ulster will have its own parliament.

No thank you. I don't want to get into bed with the people of NI, and I'm pretty sure that a majority of them would not want me there either.

I don't want to be effectively excluded from Irish state as part of an effort to contrive a nationalist majority in Ulster.

You make a relocation to France seem more and more desirable.

Wolfe Tone · 05-07-2010 10:04PM

I hope you are not referring to Carson?

EDIT: Your post seems to have mysteriously disappeared.... the one were you revealed your ignorance about who Carson was. Or else this Beta skin is acting up again.

trapsagenius · 05-07-2010 10:05PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

No thank you. I don't want to get into bed with the people of NI, and I'm pretty sure that a majority of them would not want me there either.

Well actually a UI will only come about when a majority in NI want it, so they will actually "want you there".

P. Breathnach wrote: »

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I don't want to be effectively excluded from Irish state as part of an effort to contrive a nationalist majority in Ulster.

What do you mean by "excluded from the Irish state"?

Wolfe Tone · 05-07-2010 10:06PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

No thank you. I don't want to get into bed with the people of NI, and I'm pretty sure that a majority of them would not want me there either.

I don't want to be effectively excluded from Irish state as part of an effort to contrive a nationalist majority in Ulster.

You make a relocation to France seem more and more desirable.

First off, France is a lovely country

Secondly you wont be excluded. Are Americans excluded from the American state?

owenc · 05-07-2010 10:10PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

First off, France is a lovely country

Secondly you wont be excluded. Are Americans excluded from the American state?

This is different.

jordan.. · 05-07-2010 10:12PM

dan719 wrote: »

May I congratulate you on your fantastic debating skills. I feel we have all learnt a lot from you.:rolleyes:

Why is it, that any debate on Northern Ireland ends in name calling?

A debate, yehh right!! I have never read such ****e in my life! Comparing Collins to Bin Laden! The real terrorists where and still are the British government!

A united Ireland will happen! Typical Dublin 6 attitude though! More concerned where his euros go! Oweny boy when that day comes il help ya pack. you will be home in Scotland in a wee ten mins!

Wolfe Tone · 05-07-2010 10:12PM

owenc wrote: »

This is different.

He was arguing that a federal system would result in exclusion. It wont.

Mike 1972 · 05-07-2010 10:13PM

gurramok wrote: »

Which is your answer, yes or no?

Thought I made it clear but here we go again.

If there were a UI/UK referendum tomorrow I would in all likelihood vote for UK

If you could (somehow) convince me that financially I would be marginally be better off in a United Ireland than in the United Kingdom then I probably wouldnt change my mind

If you could (somehow....and this is a real streach) convince me that financially I would be considerabaly be better off in a United Ireland than in the United Kingdom then I probably would have to seriously give some thought to....................Moving to Germany :pac:

owenc · 05-07-2010 10:14PM

jordan.. wrote: »

A debate, yehh right!! I have never read such ****e in my life! Comparing Collins to Bin Laden! The real terrorists where and still are the British government!

A united Ireland will happen! Typical Dublin 6 attitude though! More concerned where his euros go! Oweny boy when that day comes il help ya pack. you will be home in Scotland in a wee ten mins!

Aw thanks i'll book my wee flight up till dundee then to my sister.;):rolleyes:

Wolfe Tone · 05-07-2010 10:15PM

Its a shame that it appears to all be about the money with some people.

lugha · 05-07-2010 10:17PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Its a shame that it appears to all be about the money with some people.

Well you have been asked what it is about, and we haven't got a convincing argument yet. What problem are you trying to fix with a united Ireland?

owenc · 05-07-2010 10:17PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Its a shame that it appears to all be about the money with some people.

Ugh would you stop it we don't want a ui just except that and stop trying to make us want one as it won't work and your just wasting your time. Mike were are you from anyway?

Mike 1972 · 05-07-2010 10:18PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Its a shame that it appears to all be about the money with some people.

Its not all about money but yes money does play a big part. Its not a shame -merely rational.

Wolfe Tone · 05-07-2010 10:18PM

lugha wrote: »

Well you have been asked what it is about, and we haven't got a convincing argument yet. What problem are you trying to fix with a united Ireland?

The problems that have plagued the north since partition. To have a inclusive country for all, that all can feel a part of.

jordan.. · 05-07-2010 10:18PM

owenc wrote: »

Aw thanks i'll book my wee flight up till dundee then to my sister.;):rolleyes:

be warned though, I might take a liking to that part of Dundee and put your sister out of her house so I can live there.

We still cool though yeh, you know the score

dan719 · 05-07-2010 10:19PM

jordan.. wrote: »

A debate, yehh right!! I have never read such ****e in my life! Comparing Collins to Bin Laden! The real terrorists where and still are the British government!

A united Ireland will happen! Typical Dublin 6 attitude though! More concerned where his euros go! Oweny boy when that day comes il help ya pack. you will be home in Scotland in a wee ten mins!

A typical Dublin 6 attitude? LOL. I don't believe I compared Collins to Bin Laden either? Don't let that stop you frothing at the mouth though. Also, I though personal abuse was a ban worth offence?

owenc · 05-07-2010 10:20PM

jordan.. wrote: »

be warned though, I might take a liking to that part of Dundee and put your sister out of her house so I can live there.

We still cool though yeh, you know the score

Not after you calling me a retard.

Wolfe Tone · 05-07-2010 10:20PM

Others have compared Collins to Bin Ladin.

gurramok · 05-07-2010 10:20PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Thought I made it clear but here we go again.

If there were a UI/UK referendum tomorrow I would in all likelihood vote for UK

If you could (somehow) convince me that financially I would be marginally be better off in a United Ireland than in the United Kingdom then I probably wouldnt change my mind

If you could (somehow....and this is a real streach) convince me that financially I would be considerabaly be better off in a United Ireland than in the United Kingdom then I probably would have to seriously give some thought to....................Moving to Germany :pac:

I did not ask if you would be better off in a UK or a UI.

I asked are you willing to pay the price to maintain the Union no matter what?

P. Breathnach · 05-07-2010 10:21PM

trapsagenius wrote: »

Well actually a UI will only come about when a majority in NI want it, so they will actually "want you there".

If it is not to come about until a majority in NI want it, I'm quite safe. Because it ain't gonna happen in my lifetime or in the lifetime of anybody already born, or their children or grandchildren.

lugha · 05-07-2010 10:21PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

The problems that have plagued the north since partition. To have a inclusive country for all, that all can feel a part of.

Right, let's take one of them, possibly the biggest. The distrust between the two communities. Can you explain how a united Ireland will fix that?

trapsagenius · 05-07-2010 10:22PM

lugha wrote: »

Well you have been asked what it is about, and we haven't got a convincing argument yet. What problem are you trying to fix with a united Ireland?

The "problem" that there will eventually be a time when nationalists will be in a majority in NI and will want to join the Republic.Why don't you ask them what the problem is?

When & How could there be a united Ireland?

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