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When & How could there be a united Ireland?

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  • #392
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    In a generation or two attitudes will of course soften, look how far it has changed since the 70's.

    We (in the North) also have to consider that Britain herself may not want to hold on to NI at some point in the future given the billions they have to pump in yearly.

    Ireland likewise may not want much to do with us at that point also. Maybe the possibility of an independent state.

    They are getting money from Ni and its the fastest population region by growth which means that it could get westminister loads of money.


  • #393
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    They are more stricter is what i'm trying to say, now this is not me i'm not involved in any of that crap, i'd just hate irish rule.
    And why would you hate that? What compromises would lead you to accept it?


  • #394
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    gurramok wrote: »
    Its a genuine question Lugha without even entertaining the idea of a UI. We know that NI is a heavily subsidised economy. If that subsidy was taken away so as to make the people that live there pay for the services they receive( like balance the books), will they be willing to cough up the dough as a test of their loyalty?

    I wonder if Owens view is a one-off or a general one.(emigration to escape punitive taxes)

    Well what do you expect me to do i'm not going to be in debt.


  • #395
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    And why would you hate that? What compromises would lead you to accept it?

    Because the uk has more advantages, it has a better economy for a start.


  • #396
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    They are getting money from Ni and its the fastest population region by growth which means that it could get westminister loads of money.
    The North receives above billions each year in subsidies. It is not making the UK money. Past prime minsters have described the north as a scrounging sponge.


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  • #397
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    Because the uk has more advantages, it has a better economy for a start.
    What compromises would lead you to accept a UI?


  • #398
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    They are getting money from Ni and its the fastest population region by growth which means that it could get westminister loads of money.

    Northern Ireland has in it's history never been profitable, not likely to be in the near or distant future. Economically things are looking bleak.


  • #399
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    The North receives above billions each year in subsidies. It is not making the UK money. Past prime minsters have described the north as a scrounging sponge.

    What about scotland and wales then.:rolleyes: ... and it is not the friggen north stop pretending that british rule does not exsist.


  • #400
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    What compromises would lead you to accept a UI?

    Nothing.


  • #401
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    Nothing.

    Hypothetically, if there was to be a United Ireland, say in 5 years time and there was a violent backlash by elements within Unionism, would you support it?


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  • #402
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    Nothing.
    Ok, so feck what 40 odd percent of people in the North think then?


    Carson and Paisley would have loved to count you among their ranks.


  • #403
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    karma_ wrote: »
    Northern Ireland has in it's history never been profitable, not likely to be in the near or distant future. Economically things are looking bleak.

    Not totally correct

    There was a period (IIRC in the 1950's) when exchequer receipts from NI exceeded public spending.

    But since nobody has answered Ill ask once again.

    If it is the case that Northern Ireland represents a net economic burden on the public purse does this amount to an argument for or against a United Ireland
    karma_ wrote: »
    If your attributing that statement to me.
    I didnt


  • #404
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    owenc wrote: »
    Well what do you expect me to do i'm not going to be in debt.

    This is a significant statement. There is a price on loyalty. What does the man from Antrim think?


  • #405
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    Hypothetically, if there was to be a United Ireland, say in 5 years time and there was a violent backlash by elements within Unionism, would you support it?

    What do you mean?


  • #406
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    gurramok wrote: »
    This is a significant statement. There is a price on loyalty. What does the man from Antrim think?

    I'm not from bloody antrim coleraine is 10 miles from fricken antrim!:mad: Plus its not worthwhile asking him for a unionist opinon because hes from down south.


  • #407
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Ok, so feck what 40 odd percent of people in the North think then?


    Carson and Paisley would have loved to count you among their ranks.

    Well if i don't want a united ireland i'm not supposed to feel sympathetic to them.


  • #408
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    I'm not from bloody antrim coleraine is 10 miles from fricken antrim!:mad:

    He is referring to Mike.


  • #409
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    He is referring to Mike.

    Are your sure many people have said that coleraine is in antrim on here. But yea i think hes chatting to him. But he highlighted my post?


  • #410
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    Well if i don't want a united ireland i'm not supposed to feel sympathetic to them.
    It is this "Us" and "Them" attitude that has us in this situation.


    So it doesn't matter what they want? Despite many willing to compromise?


  • #411
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    gurramok wrote: »
    What does the man from Antrim think?

    Im not from Antrim I live in Antrim


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  • #412
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    It is this "Us" and "Them" attitude that has us in this situation.


    So it doesn't matter what they want? Despite many willing to compromise?

    This is for me, i don't want a united ireland and nothing will want it full stop.


  • #413
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    This is for me, i don't want a united ireland and nothing will want it full stop.
    So what should nationalists do then? Shut up and put up?


  • #414
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    This is for me, i don't want a united ireland and nothing will want it full stop.

    And that of course is your right, no problem. what of the people who would like to like to see a United Ireland, would you compromise if they were in the majority?


  • #415
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So what should nationalists do then? Shut up and put up?

    They could think about moving to the Republic of Ireland


  • #416
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So what should nationalists do then? Shut up and put up?

    What your confusing me? I said i don't want a united ireland and you think that i should change to wanting one because they want one? That is utterly selfish.


  • #417
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    They could think about moving to the Republic of Ireland

    If unionists can do it they can, alot of unionists moved up here after partition.


  • #418
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,797 ✭✭✭karma_


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    They could think about moving to the Republic of Ireland

    Why?


  • #419
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    What your confusing me? I said i don't want a united ireland and you think that i should change to wanting one because they want one? That is utterly selfish.
    If the roles were reversed what would you do?


  • #420
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    Why?

    Well if they're only a mile from the border its worthwhile.


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  • #421
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    They want to be part of the Republic so it strikes me as a pretty sensible thing to do under the circumstances


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