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When & How could there be a united Ireland?

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  • #302
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    You explain it all well, i think i'll ask you to explain to mussolini the next time when i find it hard to get my words out!;)
    So do you resent Britain meddling in your affairs then?


  • #303
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So do you resent Britain meddling in your affairs then?

    What? Don't refer to it as britain as if its a different country its my own country, thats very offensive.


  • #304
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    What? Don't refer to it as britain as if its a different country its my own country, thats very offensive.
    You know exactly what I mean. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the title I believe. Stop trying to dodge the question.


    Do you resent the people from Whales, Scotland and England having a very large say over what happens in the north despite not living there. You maintain that the north is a part of the UK, should other UK citizens not have an equal say in what happens there seen as, in your words, is all the one country?

    Or is their meddling unwelcome?


  • #305
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    You know exactly what I mean. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the title I believe. Stop trying to dodge the question.


    Do you resent the people from Whales, Scotland and England having a very large say over what happens in the north despite not living there. You maintain that the north is a part of the UK, should other UK citizens not have an equal say in what happens there seen as, in your words, is all the one country?

    Or is their meddling unwelcome?

    Would you stop bringing that stupid statement up its The United Kingdom, no one ever refers it to that. Yes i do as long as its nothing to do with a united ireland as that is our choice.


  • #306
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    Would you stop bringing that stupid statement up its The United Kingdom, no one ever refers it to that. Yes i do as long as its nothing to do with a united ireland as that is our choice.
    Ah, so the official title of your "country" is stupid.

    So according to that your fellow citizens should not have a say in what happens to a part of their state? Perhaps because the north will be a minority?


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  • #307
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Ah, so the official title of your "country" is stupid.

    So according to that your fellow citizens should not have a say in what happens to a part of their state? Perhaps because the north will be a minority?

    I'm sorry but i can't be bothered to answer.


  • #308
    Wolfe Tone
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    owenc wrote: »
    I'm sorry but i can't be bothered to answer.
    Thats your option. These questions have to be asked.


  • #309
    PopeUrbanII
    Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭PopeUrbanII


    RATM wrote: »
    I remember reading a few years back that in NI Catholics tend to have larger families than Protestants and that eventually would be the largest population by religion.

    Now leaving aside whether or not London or Dublin would ever want Ireland to be united again my question is how would such a unification be put in motion?
    By referendum ? If so would it need a simple majority or a 2/3 one ?

    So to play devils advocate here- lets assume the population at the time of referendum was 51% Catholic, 49% Protestant. It would be fair to say that most, if not all, Protestants would vote to stay in the UK. But do people feel that all Catholics in the north would vote to join the south? Is there an argument that the UK has better roads/education/health than the south and therefore many Catholics would actually vote to stay as part of the UK ?

    As an American, I'm out of touch with popular Irish and Scots-Irish sentiment. That said, I'd hate to see free, Catholic Ireland fall under any sort of British influence. No way.


  • #310
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    PopeUrbanII wrote: »
    As an American, I'm out of touch with popular Irish and Scots-Irish sentiment. That said, I'd hate to see free, Catholic Ireland fall under any sort of British influence. No way.
    Catholic Ireland is dead and gone friend.


  • #311
    Bebs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭Bebs


    PopeUrbanII wrote: »
    As an American, I'm out of touch with popular Irish and Scots-Irish sentiment. That said, I'd hate to see free, Catholic Ireland fall under any sort of British influence. No way.

    What are you talking about? That country only exists in American imaginations.


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  • #312
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    And seriously, I think that the RCC was a huge stumbling block in a UI, which is now gone.


  • #313
    Bebs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭Bebs


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    And seriously, I think that the RCC was a huge stumbling block in a UI, which is now gone.

    We can only hope.


  • #314
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    They are still obsessed with the catholic church but.
    Who are they?
    What a sweeping ignorant statement.


  • #315
    jordan..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭jordan..


    owenc wrote: »
    Well i predict that a good lot will leave and as a matter of fact i know a few people who have said that they would leave is this was to happen.

    good riddance!!!


  • #316
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    jordan.. wrote: »
    good riddance!!!
    I would disagree with that, what we need is to build an inclusive Ireland for everyone on this island.


  • #317
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Bebs wrote: »
    I think that the orchestrator of the 1916 rising are completely mythologised by the republican movement. You have to respect their willingness to die for their ideals .

    Actually I dont have to do anything of the sort.

    But if you do buy into this cult of martyrdom and the sacred cows which accompany it then you also has to respect the willingness of the likes of Mohamed Atta to kill die for his beliefs and overlook how twisted and f***ed up these beliefs actually were.


  • #318
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Thats just ridiculous. The Easter rising and September 11th are not comparable.


  • #319
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    jordan.. wrote: »
    good riddance!!!

    I'd be happy to leave! I can't stick this place as it is, its crap, theres nothing to do.


  • #320
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Thats just ridiculous. The Easter rising and September 11th are not comparable.

    Yes one happened in Spring the other in Autumn

    Totally different like


  • #321
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Thats just ridiculous. The Easter rising and September 11th are not comparable.

    Yes but you don't respect them they killed innocent people and were very evil, you should know that by even looking at them especially that leader one he scared the living daylights out of me especially his voice, and what he said about the police force was not nice.:mad:


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  • #322
    Wolfe Tone
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    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Yes one happened in Spring the other in Autumn

    Totally different like
    Because they were completely different events, with completely different motivations.


  • #323
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    Yes but you don't respect them they killed innocent people and were very evil, you should know that by even looking at them especially that leader one he scared the living daylights out of me especially his voice, and what he said about the police force was not nice.:mad:
    What?


  • #324
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    What?

    Oh you didn't watch the video and you are a very strict nationalist!:eek: Told you we learn't about irish history in school here.


  • #325
    Bebs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭Bebs


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Actually I dont have to do anything of the sort.

    But if you do buy into this cult of martyrdom and the sacred cows which accompany it then you also has to respect the willingness of the likes of Mohamed Atta to kill die for his beliefs and overlook how twisted and f***ed up these beliefs actually were.

    I don't see how you can equate an attempt to wrest military control of Dublin from the British army with ramming an airplane full of non-combatants into a building full of non-combatants.


  • #326
    Wolfe Tone
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    owenc wrote: »
    Oh you didn't watch the video and you are a very strict nationalist!:eek: Told you we learn't about irish history in school here.
    Which one are you talking about?


  • #327
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Bebs wrote: »
    I don't see how you can equate an attempt to wrest military control of Dublin from the British army with ramming an airplane full of non-combatants into a building full of non-combatants.

    It dosen't matter what you compare them to, they were bad and evil for what they have done.


  • #328
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Which one are you talking about?

    I think its the micheal collins one.


  • #329
    Bebs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭Bebs


    owenc wrote: »
    It dosen't matter what you compare them to, they were bad and evil for what they have done.

    Who were, the 1916 crew or the 911 lads?


  • #330
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    I think its the micheal collins one.
    He was not a leader in 1916. He was an aide de camp I believe.


    Wait so you feel that Collins was an evil man?


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  • #331
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Bebs wrote: »
    Who were, the 1916 crew or the 911 lads?

    Both of them obviously.


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