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When & How could there be a united Ireland?

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  • #272
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,742 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    At the very least there will need to be an amendment. It is the aim of most republican parties for a new constitution, as I have outlined earlier, one based on the foundations of the 1916 proclamation. I think the country needs a new constitution. Do you?

    I think that the country could do with a better constitution that put limits on the powers of government, and introduces checks and balances. What exactly do Republican parties interpret the aims of the 1916 rising to be? Or, what will be put in the constitution to make it different to the current one?


    I personally think we'll just have an amendment. Far easier to pass.


  • #273
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Hypothetically speaking, if the entire UK were to vote about the North and it was decided to give the six counties back, would you follow the will of the majority?

    Its our choice, no other region or country, just OUR choice.


  • #274
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    I think that the country could do with a better constitution that put limits on the powers of government, and introduces checks and balances. What exactly do Republican parties interpret the aims of the 1916 rising to be? Or, what will be put in the constitution to make it different to the current one?


    I personally think we'll just have an amendment. Far easier to pass.
    Well personally I would like to see a federal republic. Lumping in some extra TDs wont work.


  • #275
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    Its our choice, no other region or country, just OUR choice.
    Ok, then why should Britain decide on anything that happens in the North? Such as its taxes? And budget?


  • #276
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Ok, then why should Britain decide on anything that happens in the North? Such as its taxes? And budget?

    Because that is our country.:rolleyes: But When it comes to when a region stays in the country its the regions choice.


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  • #277
    Japer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    They are my heroes.

    The men behind the easter 1916 rising were and are not everyones heroes. At the time they were considered terrorists by many, and still are. Do not forget they were jeered and spat at by the plain people of Dublin when they surrendered. Hundreds of thousands of Irish people had relatives in the forces in WW1. Not that many people took part in the Easter rising. Of course, it was drummed in to most Irish people here in the south the men of 1916 were heroes. People are entitled to another point of view.


  • #278
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    owenc wrote: »
    Because that is our country.:rolleyes: But When it comes to when a region stays in the country its the regions choice.
    To be fair, if there's a question of whether or not a region joins my country, I'd like to be asked for my opinion.


  • #279
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    Because that is our country.:rolleyes: But When it comes to when a region stays in the country its the regions choice.
    Ok, then, so why cant nationalist regions in the North leave then?

    So if Britain votes on something that will, in your eyes, adversely affect the north it shouldn't go ahead?


  • #280
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    To be fair, if there's a question of whether or not a region joins my country, I'd like to be asked for my opinion.

    This is staying in a country, its northern irelands choice and thats final, leave me alone and stop friggen challenging me everytime i say something which isn't nationalist (and i'm talking to all of you).


  • #281
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Japer wrote: »
    The men behind the easter 1916 rising were and are not everyones heroes. At the time they were considered terrorists by many, and still are. Do not forget they were jeered and spat at by the plain people of Dublin when they surrendered. Hundreds of thousands of Irish people had relatives in the forces in WW1. Not that many people took part in the Easter rising. Of course, it was drummed in to most Irish people here in the south the men of 1916 were heroes. People are entitled to another point of view.
    I never said that someone else was not entitled to their own point of view. I stated that they are my heroes. It was never drummed into me.


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  • #282
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Ok, then, so why cant nationalist regions in the North leave then?

    So if Britain votes on something that will, in your eyes, adversely affect the north it shouldn't go ahead?

    OMG this is talking about staying in the country not money or anything like that.:rolleyes:


  • #283
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    This is staying in a country, its northern irelands choice and thats final, leave me alone and stop friggen challenging me everytime i say something which isn't nationalist (and i'm talking to all of you).
    If anything people from speaking from a nationalist point of view get challenged.This very thread is questioning nationalist/republicans(at least some of them)


  • #284
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I never said that someone else was not entitled to their own point of view. I stated that they are my heroes. It was never drummed into me.

    Yes but you are constantly arguing against peoples views instead of excepting it and thats what you are doing now to me.:mad:


  • #285
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    OMG this is talking about staying in the country not money or anything like that.:rolleyes:
    So if the majority of British citizens were to decide that the north was an unwanted drain, their views should be ignored?

    Hypothetically speaking of course.


  • #286
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So if the majority of British citizens were to decide that the north was an unwanted drain, their views should be ignored?

    Hypothetically speaking of course.

    Its our choice not theirs now stop it and drop this now.


  • #287
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    Its our choice not theirs now stop it and drop this now.
    But Owen, seen as you are an equal British citizen, should other British citizens not have a say? Say for instance, people in Wales?


  • #288
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    But Owen, seen as you are an equal British citizen, should other British citizens not have a say? Say for instance, people in Wales?

    I told you i'm not answering i gave you an answer and except it and stop challenging it, its doing my head in.


  • #289
    Bebs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭Bebs


    I think that the orchestrator of the 1916 rising are completely mythologised by the republican movement. You have to respect their willingness to die for their ideals but at the same time they're no founding fathers. A lot of their social and economic ideas don't really stand the light of day.


  • #290
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    I told you i'm not answering i gave you an answer and except it and stop challenging it, its doing my head in.

    You are trying to have your cake and eat it too. You now see why people resent having a country across the waves decide what happens. Typical Unionist cherry picking.


  • #291
    Bebs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭Bebs


    Mussolini what you're asking is essentially the West Lothian question.

    The Northern Irish are just as entitled to resent the Republic meddling in their affairs. The Republic has no claim on Northern Ireland.


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  • #292
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Bebs wrote: »
    Mussolini what you're asking is essentially the West Lothian question.

    The Northern Irish are just as entitled to resent the Republic meddling in their affairs. The Republic has no claim on Northern Ireland.
    Yes I know.(RE: WL) The UK does have a claim on the north, and unionists acknowledge and for the most part embrace it. Why so if they will only be willing to accept Britain's wishes when it suits them?


  • #293
    Bebs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭Bebs


    Because they can and because sometimes it suits them. That's basic politics really, nothing unusual in that.


  • #294
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    I call it hypocrisy.


  • #295
    Bebs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭Bebs


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I call it hypocrisy.

    It's not peculiar to Unionists. People of every ideology do it and that includes Republicans. It's just smart politics.


  • #296
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Bebs wrote: »
    It's not peculiar to Unionists. People of every ideology do it and that includes Republicans. It's just smart politics.
    It is hypocritical. They roll out the "majority" reasoning time and time again. Yet it only applies when it suits them.

    What happened to majorities with fermanagh?


  • #297
    Bebs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭Bebs


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    It is hypocritical. They roll out the "majority" reasoning time and time again. Yet it only applies when it suits them.

    What happened to majorities with fermanagh?

    I'm not saying it isn't hypocrisy but I am saying that there's nothing wrong with it. They're trying to get the best deal for their community and who could fault them for trying?


  • #298
    Eliot Rosewater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,742 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Well personally I would like to see a federal republic. Lumping in some extra TDs wont work.

    But is that what the 1916 risers wanted? You said here that Republicans want their wish fulfilled; I'm just interested in what that wish it.


  • #299
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Bebs wrote: »
    Mussolini what you're asking is essentially the West Lothian question.

    The Northern Irish are just as entitled to resent the Republic meddling in their affairs. The Republic has no claim on Northern Ireland.

    You explain it all well, i think i'll ask you to explain to mussolini the next time when i find it hard to get my words out!;)


  • #300
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I call it hypocrisy.

    Its called changing your views Mussonlini you don't have to keep your views accordingly.


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  • #301
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    But is that what the 1916 risers wanted? You said here that Republicans want their wish fulfilled; I'm just interested in what that wish it.


    I have been through this a few pages back. I cant speak for every republican of course.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66747090&postcount=214


    I think the "Éire Nua" formula is a good one. Something along these lines.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ire_Nua
    I dont think Unionists would believe it to be fair for extra TDs etc... nor would they accept it.


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