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starbelgrade · 02-07-2010 10:25PM

Handball is NOT cheating, FFS. It's a breaking of the rules - the same as kicking an opponent, pulling a shirt etc etc.

It's not even a sending off offence - unless you do it to stop a goal being scored. So, FFS, quit it with the "cheating" b*lloxology.

mike65 · 02-07-2010 10:26PM

Lets bomb Uraguay!

He handballed hoping it wouldn't be seen he's a low dirty cheat.

starbelgrade · 02-07-2010 10:27PM

mike65 wrote: »

Lets bomb Uraguay!

Yeah - let's bomb Paraguay too! They're all ghauy bastards!

mike65 · 02-07-2010 10:28PM

All the same to me!

harsea8 · 02-07-2010 10:30PM

I just hope Suarez doesn't get a chance to play in a WC final...sends all the wrong kind of messages about the so called beautiful game!

fkt · 02-07-2010 10:30PM

If Robbie Keane did that tonight and Ireland were in the last four you'd all be **** yourselves sidweways about what a national hero he is.

dolliemix · 02-07-2010 10:32PM

fkt wrote: »

If Robbie Keane did that tonight and Ireland were in the last four you'd all be **** yourselves sidweways about what a national hero he is.

Too right I would! It was the last few seconds of extra time - he had to do it! Funny things happen at the goal line.

It definitely would have gone in - but them are the rules.

Cookie_Monster · 02-07-2010 10:32PM

mike65 wrote: »

He handballed hoping it wouldn't be seen he's a low dirty cheat.

wouldn't be seen??
what gave you that impression?

Instictive reaction to keep his team in the game at the cost of a sending off. Right decision, I'd certainly do it and I'm sure he'd do the exact same thing again, as would any professional player when that much is riding on it.

PirateShampoo · 02-07-2010 10:33PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Handball is NOT cheating, FFS. It's a breaking of the rules - the same as kicking an opponent, pulling a shirt etc etc.

It's not even a sending off offence - unless you do it to stop a goal being scored. So, FFS, quit it with the "cheating" b*lloxology.

So as long as your not French it isnt cheating?

El Horseboxo · 02-07-2010 10:33PM

Viva La Celeste!

Diabhal Beag · 02-07-2010 10:34PM

Suarez was selfless. Gave his team a chance of reaching the semis by getting a red and missing the next match. He has a brain alright.

phasers · 02-07-2010 10:34PM

Just because you see it as patriotic doesn't make it not cheating.

nocal · 02-07-2010 10:34PM

fkt wrote: »

If Robbie Keane did that tonight and Ireland were in the last four you'd all be **** yourselves sidweways about what a national hero he is.

dolliemix wrote: »

Too right I would! It was the last few seconds of extra time - he had to do it! Funny things happen at the goal line.

It definitely would have gone in - but them are the rules.

No **** on the goal line please

tolosenc · 02-07-2010 10:35PM

In fairness, deliberate handball on the goal-line should be like a penalty try in rugby. Goal and a red card. Differentiation being certain goal and certain goal scoring opportunity.

HUP HOLLAND!

Posy · 02-07-2010 10:36PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Instictive reaction to keep his team in the game at the cost of a sending off. Right decision, I'd certainly do it and I'm sure he'd do the exact same thing again, as would any professional player when that much is riding on it.

True. There's a big difference between 'cheating' and just pure instinct. It's what most people would do to stop their team getting knocked out; it's not like he had time to think through his cunning plan.
Cannot believe how bad Ghana were at penalties though.

starbelgrade · 02-07-2010 10:36PM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

So as long as your not French it isnt cheating?

No - it's not cheating, regardless of who the f*ck you are. This has annoyed me since the Henry handball.. everyone jumped on the "cheating bandwagon", which was started, rather stupidly, by the RTE panel after the game in Paris.

Of all people - they as ex-professional footballers - should have known better.

dolliemix · 02-07-2010 10:40PM

I never put Henry down as a cheat anyway. It was really bad umpiring. He was lucky to get away with not being seen and he's admitted that.

And as sorry as I feel for Ghana they had three more chances to score penalties that would have kept them in and they just didn't perform!

GrumPy · 02-07-2010 10:41PM

tolosenc wrote: »

In fairness, deliberate handball on the goal-line should be like a penalty try in rugby. Goal and a red card. Differentiation being certain goal and certain goal scoring opportunity.

HUP HOLLAND!

+1 motherfúcking one man.

harsea8 · 02-07-2010 10:42PM

regardless of whether it was instinct or not when the event happened, the subsequent footage on ITV of him jumping around with joy when the Ghana player missed was pretty disgusting (although I appreciate that if I was from Uruguay, I wouldn't give a f8ck)

starbelgrade · 02-07-2010 10:43PM

dolliemix wrote: »

I never put Henry down as a cheat anyway. It was really bad umpiring. He was lucky to get away with not being seen and he's admitted that.

Very true. Also, what a lot of people seem to forget, is that if Gallas hadn't have finished off the move by scoring, the handball would have been as quickly forgotten about as Robbie Keane's handball during the first half, where he deliberately tried to control the ball with his hand to get France on the break.

The only difference between the two handballs, is that his was seen by the ref.

starbelgrade · 02-07-2010 10:45PM

tolosenc wrote: »

In fairness, deliberate handball on the goal-line should be like a penalty try in rugby. Goal and a red card. Differentiation being certain goal and certain goal scoring opportunity.

HUP HOLLAND!

Yes. They should change all the rules to Rugby rules. Or maybe a hybrid mix of the rules from Rugby, American Football, Golf, Tennis & Pole Vaulting.

dolliemix · 02-07-2010 10:49PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Yes. They should change all the rules to Rugby rules. Or maybe a hybrid mix of the rules from Rugby, American Football, Golf, Tennis & Pole Vaulting.

lol!

Pherekydes · 02-07-2010 10:51PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Yes. They should change all the rules to Rugby rules. Or maybe a hybrid mix of the rules from Rugby, American Football, Golf, Tennis & Pole Vaulting.

What rules from Golf? You call your own fouls?

Cookie_Monster · 02-07-2010 10:52PM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

So as long as your not French it isnt cheating?

yep

(everyone knows the French are cheating ****ers)

starbelgrade · 02-07-2010 10:53PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

What rules from Golf? You call your own fouls?

Cookie_Monster · 02-07-2010 10:54PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

What rules from Golf? You call your own fouls?

slacks only, no shorts

javaboy · 02-07-2010 10:55PM

What exactly would be considered cheating if handballs like Suarez's or Henry's aren't?

I could even use some of your arguments to defend taking performance enhancing drugs.

dolliemix · 02-07-2010 10:57PM

javaboy wrote: »

What exactly would be considered cheating if handballs like Suarez's or Henry's aren't?

I could even use some of your arguments to defend taking performance enhancing drugs.

Premeditated v Impulsive actions

starbelgrade · 02-07-2010 11:01PM

javaboy wrote: »

What exactly would be considered cheating if handballs like Suarez's or Henry's aren't?

I could even use some of your arguments to defend taking performance enhancing drugs.

Taking performance enhancing drugs clearly is cheating as it's something that is not governed by the rules of the FIFA handbook, which are administered by the referee & his assistants. Anything beyond the rulebook is governed by the sports body itself.

In simple terms, what happens on the pitch is all part of the game. If a player takes down an attacking player in the box, giving away a penalty, no-one calls him a cheat. Yet he has broken the rules of the game. There is no difference between breaking the rules by fouling a player, than a deliberate handling of the ball.

The only difference is, that one is called a foul, whilst the other is called unsporting behaviour.

Cookie_Monster · 02-07-2010 11:02PM

dolliemix wrote: »

Premeditated v Impulsive actions

caught, owned up and punished vs denied it and got away with it

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