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Imagine launch Midband Ripwave Replacement - WiMAX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭deravarra


    fcrossen wrote: »
    You didn't read my posts then?

    Does anyone have evidence of this? This morning I downloaded from http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ with no problems.

    Enough people saying torrents are blocked doesn't make it true, and before you say it: I have no vested interest in Magnet.


    I wouldnt bother - they'll just rattle on, call you a liar, and suggest you work for Imagine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭deravarra


    watty wrote: »
    It's not even an Apple product! Though it starts with an "i". Certainly smacks of Fanboism rather than rational discussion.

    And all the negatives were of a rational demeanour?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    I'm a qualified telecomms /Comms expert and support Ireland Offline, so I have the expertise and a mandate to make positive & negative analysis rather than wishful thinking, what's your excuse?

    Of course some of the negatives are over the top and anecdotal, though most some many may be true. But that's got nothing to do with you unless you have a vested interest. Even if you have a vested interest, your posts aren't helpful. Simply saying it's great and the naysayers are deluded isn't helpful. It's neither based on your own experience or any technical analysis.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,007 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    fcrossen wrote: »
    You didn't read my posts then?

    Does anyone have evidence of this? This morning I downloaded from http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ with no problems.

    Enough people saying torrents are blocked doesn't make it true, and before you say it: I have no vested interest in Magnet.

    Who said anything about torrents not working on Magnet?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    They do block torrents. They have as much admitted it to myself and others. I'm currently looking for a way to bypass this. In my experience they have been a difficult company to deal with. Long delays waiting for support etc and over charging. The wimax solution simply does not offer me the service which I taught I was purchasing off Imagine. The service which they told me I would be purchasing. The service which they advertise. "Better, Cheaper , Faster"......


    Faster than dial up. Marginally so.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭daffy_duc


    Just saying...
    I've used Imagine WiMAX. It works. I don't use it heavily, but when I need it, its there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    The accusations that any poster has a vested interest, or works for Imagine, end here. These unfounded accusations only derail the thread (more than it generally is anyway) and will not be tolerated any further. If you suspect a poster, report the post. Don't backseat mod.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭fcrossen


    thebman wrote: »
    Who said anything about torrents not working on Magnet?

    Sorry - Imagine.


  • Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fcrossen wrote: »
    You didn't read my posts then?

    Does anyone have evidence of this? This morning I downloaded from http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ with no problems.

    Enough people saying torrents are blocked doesn't make it true, and before you say it: I have no vested interest in Imagine.

    Ever consider other customers possibly have different experiences - plus you cant post torrent links here so its a hard thing to prove hence why we take peoples opinions into account :D

    So any new reports on the product from any new users directly? few speed tests and ping tests would be nice :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭fcrossen


    Ever consider other customers possibly have different experiences
    Of course
    - plus you cant post torrent links here so its a hard thing to prove hence why we take peoples opinions into account :D
    Why not? Here's another: http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/centos/5.5/isos/i386/CentOS-5.5-i386-bin-1to7.torrent
    ;)
    So any new reports on the product from any new users directly? few speed tests and ping tests would be nice :)
    Say no more:
    - http://www.seeit.org/2010/05/11/imagine-wi-max-initial-review/
    - http://www.seeit.org/2010/05/25/imagine-wi-max-one-week-on/
    (Let me know if you have trouble with them - I'll host a torrent for you.
    :D


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  • Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fcrossen wrote: »

    I dont use torrents :D still i think its somewhere in the user agreement about torrents on boards.....still back to the data provided

    my concern looking at that was the ping rates - your max was always high (form 200ms to 550ms approx) while the average was around 100ms over a 21 day period

    is this due to ping spiking or and how did that effect your online gaming?

    plus compare the average of 100ms to the average of fixed line ISP of around 50ms with no real ping spikes (eircom, magnet, upc - sourced from mates that use the service ) it doesnt seem fair to put wimax in a catagory to be an alternative fo fixed line or how would you see it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    I dont use torrents :D still i think its somewhere in the user agreement about torrents on boards.....still back to the data provided

    Torrents to warez or other illegal sources are not allowed. A Ubuntu official torrent, hosted by Ubuntu, is not an issue.

    Bittorrent itself is not illegal, it all depends on how you use it. It does have a lot of legal uses.

    Real broadband should have a ping of something around 20ms, 50ms would be a max. If your average is 100ms, that's pretty poor. Gaming to non-Irish based servers is going to suffer badly. If your ping hits 500ms during a phone call, a half second delay in your conversation is going to be noticeable, and annoying.

    Good enough speeds on that Blog, looks better than most 3G midband, but still not great overall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭fcrossen


    my concern looking at that was the ping rates - your max was always high (form 200ms to 550ms approx) while the average was around 100ms over a 21 day period

    is this due to ping spiking or and how did that effect your online gaming?
    I don't do any online gaming, so I am not really affected by the extra latency. To be fair the average is more around 80ms, but there are (as you noticed) spikes.
    I stream radio quite regularly and every now and again I get interruptions while the Wi-Max device catches up. I wouldn't consider this device suitable if you want very low latency connections
    plus compare the average of 100ms to the average of fixed line ISP of around 50ms with no real ping spikes (eircom, magnet, upc - sourced from mates that use the service ) it doesnt seem fair to put wimax in a catagory to be an alternative fo fixed line or how would you see it?
    Agreed - this is NOT comparable to a DSL line (although I've experienced some pretty crappy performance from DSL too from time to time!).
    FYI: Best performance I experienced ironically is from a fixed wireless service from Imagine. The Breeze product is quite excellent if you want LOW latency.

    FYI: This is from work - I was NOT the only person using the connection when I did these tests:
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    At about 250ms or so, webpages with 3rd party content can take up to a second to load, or more. Longer than Satellite! It's due to latency x number of ARP and DNS requests needed to start page rendering,

    So above 250ms is worse than 790ms Satellite (as it doesn't run all the ARP and DNS over the link, but does as much as possible remotely, nor does it wait for TCP ACK)

    Above 50ms is hardly Broadband and above 100ms is same as 3G really. It's a Midband, not Broadband product.

    The Fixed Wireless Symmetrical speed Breeze from Imagine (formerly IBB) is Broadband,


  • Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Id take the breeze over wimax anyday looking at those results you posted - it all comes down to what you use the net for I suppose..WiMax would be of no great benefit to me in comparison to the crowd I am with at the moment. Latency is my main concern along with contention.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭DoctorGonzo08


    Finally got WiMax set up last night, went with it as I have no alternative in my area. Speed test gave me 2.94 download & 0.47 upload for 3MB, so I'm happy with that. Browser works fairly quickly, not as fast as it did with NTL's 3MB. Slight lag on video streaming, really depended on the quality of the video upload. This is as expected I suppose as NTL was cable and this is Wifi. Torrents will not work at all, which is very dissapointing, but not the end of the world.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Chaz


    Cryos wrote: »
    There is several thing's people have to concider and this is a constant theme throughout this thread and indeed other threads relating to WiMax, and this is around.

    There are undoubtably many people who have the service and it probably works just fine for them, this is based on a number of conditions (Contention on the Cell(s), Usage and Environmental Conditions).

    These conditions do contribute to unpredictable results and as such it isnt a "Fits All" implementation of the technology, it is like the argument over vdsl technology that eircom are pushing, yes its probably going to be amazing for people within 1km of exchanges but pretty useless / even more useless than ADSL in some varients.

    While i do applaud what Imagine has done, i see the side that it is potential lost; If they Went Fixed WiMax as opposed to the current Nomadic/Mobile the conditions which effect the technology wouldnt be as bad and a higher quality of service(s) could be distributed.

    In context what imagine have done is great, but in area's there is clear issues of capacity (Marketing 1 - Infrastructure Engineers 0), this issues may spread over time to other parts of the imagine service if not maintained and planned correctly.

    The reason for mobile versus fixed is simple - no installer to pay for the install, no delay, can ship out the modem tomorrow. The fact is that it does yield a better network (fixed, if planned correctly).


  • Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Chaz wrote: »
    The reason for mobile versus fixed is simple - no installer to pay for the install, no delay, can ship out the modem tomorrow. The fact is that it does yield a better network (fixed, if planned correctly).

    Aye - Fixed wimax would have being awesome :D

    Seems with Nomadic WiMax however:

    If you are not reliant of consistancy across the country - its a good mobile product but to be selling it as an alternative to fixed line services misrepresents its quality as a product as a whole - its a nomadic/mobile wimax - its primary use is as it says on the tin.....mobile usage

    only reason why its being marketed as a fixed line alternative is because it is a cheap setup....

    still you get what you pay for in this country! :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Chaz


    Aye - Fixed wimax would have being awesome :D

    Seems with Nomadic WiMax however:

    If you are not reliant of consistancy across the country - its a good mobile product but to be selling it as an alternative to fixed line services misrepresents its quality as a product as a whole - its a nomadic/mobile wimax - its primary use is as it says on the tin.....mobile usage

    only reason why its being marketed as a fixed line alternative is because it is a cheap setup....

    still you get what you pay for in this country! :mad:

    Yep, you have it spot on. A common thing to sell mobile devices as DSL replacement circuits but you have to have the network topography and density to support it.

    T-Mobile did it in Czech / Slovakia with 2 different technologies and very successfully (hundreds of base stations and 10s of thousands of users).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,007 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    I'll report back since things have improved recently.

    Ping times are down to 70ms for me and I've not seen Steam connection drop in a week or two.

    Of course it was a problem with my router ... ... on which no settings have been changed in months.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20 birk


    can anyone tell me whats the range of wimax


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Chaz


    birk wrote: »
    can anyone tell me whats the range of wimax

    Too vague a question. Technically it can do any distance you want (within reason) but its not deployed like that. If I personally was building WiMax cells, for 3.5 GHz and some form of indoor penetration, I wouldnt make them larger than 1-1.5kms, if that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    I agree.

    Basically it partially depends on terrain and population density. But even on open rural low density area you run into limit on the modem upstream power. Speed also depends on signal level, so at the extreme of technically possible with the Motorola USB modem the speed would be low.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Finally got WiMax set up last night, went with it as I have no alternative in my area. Speed test gave me 2.94 download & 0.47 upload for 3MB, so I'm happy with that. Browser works fairly quickly, not as fast as it did with NTL's 3MB. Slight lag on video streaming, really depended on the quality of the video upload. This is as expected I suppose as NTL was cable and this is Wifi. Torrents will not work at all, which is very dissapointing, but not the end of the world.


    Let your torrents run over night. They should work between 2 in the morning until around 11 the next morning


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭DoctorGonzo08


    Let your torrents run over night. They should work between 2 in the morning until around 11 the next morning

    Haven't bothered with that anymore. However I have been experiencing some other problems. Streaming in HD is a disaster, the audio works fine but it is just still frames. Changing it back to normal works fine. Also connection has just dropped out or loading pages becomes very slow and often requires to or three attempts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,007 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    Change to OpenDNS for your DNS server (good instructions on their website on how to do it).

    Google also offer an alternate DNS.

    I used to have problems loading pages, the above resolved the issue for me. Their DNS servers are terrible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭Inspector Gadget


    thebman wrote: »
    Change to OpenDNS for your DNS server (good instructions on their website on how to do it).

    Google also offer an alternate DNS.

    I used to have problems loading pages, the above resolved the issue for me. Their DNS servers are terrible.

    Might I suggest that just changing specifically to OpenDNS, that you try out namebench to see what DNS servers are actually fastest when dealing with your connection? Versions for Windows, Linux and Mac available. It'll give you concrete figures showing which DNS systems are fastest for you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 dondwyer157


    Hey,

    This is a mega-thread, so I'm not gonna read through every page and apologies if I'm asking questions that have already been answered!

    I live in the sticks in Cork and with no wired bband around, I currently have Vodafone 3G. Speedwise I've no real complaints. Consistantly 1.5-2 Mbits during the day and 3 late at night. Ping times are typical 3G though. It's fine for general browsing, but streaming and Xbox live take a hit.

    I'm coming up to the end of my Voda contract and I'm looking into Imagine's Wimax as a better alternative. Key question is though - would it be a better alternative?! I have 3G signal fine, so what are the odds I'm covered by Imagine? Do they come out and test your area or do they just let you order and return the stuff if it doesn't work?

    Cheers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,007 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    Might I suggest that just changing specifically to OpenDNS, that you try out namebench to see what DNS servers are actually fastest when dealing with your connection? Versions for Windows, Linux and Mac available. It'll give you concrete figures showing which DNS systems are fastest for you.

    Thanks, works a treat, never would have found it on my own either so actual thanks!

    It did list Imagine as one of the best as it responds fast but it isn't reliable enough to actually use and it didn't seem to pick up on its lack of reliability.
    Hey,

    This is a mega-thread, so I'm not gonna read through every page and apologies if I'm asking questions that have already been answered!

    I live in the sticks in Cork and with no wired bband around, I currently have Vodafone 3G. Speedwise I've no real complaints. Consistantly 1.5-2 Mbits during the day and 3 late at night. Ping times are typical 3G though. It's fine for general browsing, but streaming and Xbox live take a hit.

    I'm coming up to the end of my Voda contract and I'm looking into Imagine's Wimax as a better alternative. Key question is though - would it be a better alternative?! I have 3G signal fine, so what are the odds I'm covered by Imagine? Do they come out and test your area or do they just let you order and return the stuff if it doesn't work?

    Cheers.

    I've used all the mobile broadband providers dongles and I'm using Imagine and for me at least it is miles above any of those products but not as good as a fixed wireless or landline/cable alternative if one is available.

    Just make sure you get the outdoor antenna. You almost certain to need it if you live any distance from the mast anyway so they'll probably recommend it to you.

    Gaming is okay on it, I have had some problems if you read the past few pages you'll probably seem lots of me posting :P but they are mostly resolved now whatever Imagine did. They block torrents which maybe an issue for you if you want to use them. I usually get at least 1.5Mbps with Imagine, most of the time its closer to 7-8Mbps but the service does have random problems every now and again but a lot of that seems to have been down to some problem on the local mast here as they almost all went away the same time as my steam issues.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    But like Mobile, it depends which mast you are on, how far you are, what interference and what kind of users on same mast (a bunch of Students or Grannies?).

    Getting an outdoor aerial is always good advice.


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