Scumbags stalk the streets because there's no place for them in jail.

Abrasax · 21-06-2010 10:52AM #1

Employment down, crime up and no room at the inn.
Record prisoner levels and lack of available spaces means that almost 18% of prisoners are on temporary release...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0621/1224272953811.html

easyeason3 · 21-06-2010 10:54AM

Buy loads of tinned food, board up the doors & windows & get a shotgun.

We'll come & get you when it's all over.

Berty · 21-06-2010 10:56AM

I say KILL everybody in prison and let the homeless live there and then feed the dead to the homeless.

2 problems cured at the same time.

bonerm · 21-06-2010 11:06AM

Speaking of cost, always wondered why prisons have to be so "social". I mean why not go back to the good old days of dungeons/oubliettes and keep everyone in solitary built rooms? They'd be cheaper to build, keep secure and I doubt anyone coming out of one would be in such as rush to go back into one. Plus if there was no opportunity for interaction, it'd cut out this (what I can only imagine) is a school-yard system whereby particular "boys" rule the roost, control the peer group, reinforce attitudes and criminal eduction and of course pick on the weak.

Abrasax · 21-06-2010 11:19AM

bonerm wrote: »

Speaking of cost, always wondered why prisons have to be so "social". I mean why not go back to the good old days of dungeons/oubliettes and keep everyone in solitary built rooms? They'd be cheaper to build, keep secure and I doubt anyone coming out of one would be in such as rush to go back into one. Plus if there was no opportunity for interaction, it'd cut out this (what I can only imagine) is a school-yard system whereby particular "boys" rule the roost, control the peer group, reinforce attitudes and criminal eduction and of course pick on the weak.

Not a bad idea.
It would help stop the spread of gang culture and stop new prisoners being exposed to heroin but the namby-pamby pinko liberals would be up in arms.

rockmongrel · 21-06-2010 01:11PM

Abrasax wrote: »

Not a bad idea.
It would help stop the spread of gang culture and stop new prisoners being exposed to heroin but the namby-pamby pinko liberals would be up in arms.

5 posts in and there is already someone pulling the "liberal" card.
I swear to ****, this is the new Godwins law, I've decided. I'm calling it Board's Law, we call it we claim it :pac:

Edit: Typo.

mikom · 21-06-2010 01:13PM

Abrasax wrote: »

Record prisoner levels and lack of available spaces means that almost 18% of prisoners are on temporary release...

Gotta make room for those refusing to pay their TV licence...........

"Can you live with the shame"

Cookie_Monster · 21-06-2010 01:14PM

full to bursting?!? They haven't even tried stacking them on top of each other yet.

Hot racking would treble the space too. 8 hours in bed 16 outside or making number plates or whatever

Abrasax · 21-06-2010 01:15PM

rockmongrel wrote: »

5 posts in and there is already someone pulling the "liberal" card.
I swear to ****, this is the new Godwins law, I've decided. I'm calling it Board's Law, we call it we claim it :pac:

Edit: Typo.

I forgot to add 'commie'.
Thread title change to stoke up more controversy.

OutlawPete · 21-06-2010 01:16PM

The Governor of Mountjoy who recently retired stated that almost all cells are overcrowded.

There was a docu on RTE years back and it showed one of the tiny windowless basement cells that was barely fit for one person and it had four single mattresses strewn on the floor.

I keep reading that the place is like a hotel, but anytime that I see the conditions being shown on TV, they seem to be anything but.

moonpurple · 21-06-2010 01:20PM

surely they would have some room for this
filthy piece of dirt scumbag

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0318/bray.html

The_Kew_Tour · 21-06-2010 01:22PM

Whats new?

It was like this during Celtic Tiger too, just now its little more noticable because we cat afford a fecking alarm for the house.

Earthhorse · 21-06-2010 01:24PM

Berty wrote: »

I say KILL everybody in prison and let the homeless live there and then feed the dead to the homeless.

2 problems cured at the same time.

Don't forget to film it all so the rest of us can be entertained.

My name is URL · 21-06-2010 01:30PM

I love how saying that forcing prisoners to live in inhumane, overcrowded conditions is unacceptable commie talk, and yet suggesting that we should deport all immigrant criminals is considered taboo

orourkeda · 21-06-2010 01:33PM

Does this problem really have a solution or do we have to accept the fact that crime is just a lifestyle choice for some people?

ScumLord · 21-06-2010 01:35PM

They need to refocus their attentions towards particular crimes that are causing problems. Namely violence and gangs. Legalise weed and MDMA which would be enough to make a huge dent in organised crime and free up loads of space for real hardened criminals.

They have no intention of doing anything though, they want us in fear of all these so called monsters they've created.

Abrasax · 21-06-2010 01:35PM

orourkeda wrote: »

Does this problem really have a solution or do we have to accept the fact that crime is just a lifestyle choice for some people?

Don't lock up the 'fine non-payers'.
Liberalise the drug laws and put the money saved/generated into a shiny new prison for the other criminals and into crime prevention.

Naos · 21-06-2010 01:43PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

The Governor of Mountjoy who recently retired stated that almost all cells are overcrowded.

There was a docu on RTE years back and it showed one of the tiny windowless basement cells that was barely fit for one person and it had four single mattresses strewn on the floor.

I keep reading that the place is like a hotel, but anytime that I see the conditions being shown on TV, they seem to be anything but.

Who gives a f**k. What do they expect? They broke the law, they can sleep 10 to a tiny cell for all I care.

21-06-2010 01:48PM

Naos wrote: »

Who gives a f**k. What do they expect? They broke the law, they can sleep 10 to a tiny cell for all I care.

I don't think not paying the tv licence or defaulting on debt is enough to warrant those conditions...

OutlawPete · 21-06-2010 01:52PM

Naos wrote: »

Who gives a f**k.

Me.

Abrasax · 21-06-2010 01:52PM

Naos wrote: »

Who gives a f**k. What do they expect? They broke the law, they can sleep 10 to a tiny cell for all I care.

Prisoners are entitled to human rights, too.
10 to a cell would never pass, so it's a moot point.
http://www.iprt.ie/contents/1469

Why are prisoner numbers at an all time high now?

Shulgin · 21-06-2010 02:11PM

Dermot Ahern hardening the drug laws will only add to this, while other countries in Europe are taking the exact opposite direction by decriminalising drug users.

Even more druggy scum to catch when this new law come in.
Will they never learn that it is not acceptable to get high?
The scum. How dare they take anything that gives them psychoactive effects. :pac:

thebigbiffo · 21-06-2010 02:18PM

Abrasax wrote: »

Why are prisoner numbers at an all time high now?

it's a recession session

Riddle101 · 21-06-2010 02:46PM

You know they have a saying in Africa. "TIA" This is Africa. Now I might be wrong with the definition of the saying. But I think we should adopt this saying as TII, This is Ireland, cause Ireland is so f*cked up it's just a natural occurence of everyday life in Ireland.

aDeener · 21-06-2010 03:16PM

bluewolf wrote: »

I don't think not paying the tv licence or defaulting on debt is enough to warrant those conditions...

how many are currently in prison as a result of that?

AnonoBoy · 21-06-2010 03:20PM

Abrasax wrote: »

Scumbags stalk the streets because there's no place for them in jail.

Someone better warn Mike Skinner ASAP.

degsie · 21-06-2010 03:24PM

Has anybody rang Joe Duffy yet?

PCPhoto · 21-06-2010 03:36PM

Abrasax wrote: »

Prisoners are entitled to human rights, too.
10 to a cell would never pass, so it's a moot point.
http://www.iprt.ie/contents/1469

Why are prisoner numbers at an all time high now?

explain to me WHY ?

they are in prison because they didn't respect the laws of this country (repeatedly in many cases) .... they continually abuse the legal system, the social welfare system and have no consideration for the effect their "crime" has on someone elses life.

people who are sent to prison should not have human rights while they are in prison - but once released should be permitted into society without prejudice (except kiddy fiddlers and rapists - they shouldnt be allowed out)

if someone commits a crime and is sentenced to jail the sentence should be something to deter them from re-offending, allowing criminals to socialise amongst themselves - even if it is within the confines of a prison - is simply wrong.

CRIMINALS GOTO PRISON FOR A PUNISHMENT - NOT A TEA PARTY WITH OTHER CRIMINALS.

super_furry · 21-06-2010 03:43PM

rockmongrel wrote: »

5 posts in and there is already someone pulling the "liberal" card.
I swear to ****, this is the new Godwins law, I've decided. I'm calling it Board's Law, we call it we claim it :pac:

Edit: Typo.

Surely boards law would have to invoke someone using the word 'scumbags', then following it up with a hysterical rant.

Gaunty · 21-06-2010 03:43PM

Riddle101 wrote: »

You know they have a saying in Africa. "TIA" This is Africa. Now I might be wrong with the definition of the saying. But I think we should adopt this saying as TII, This is Ireland, cause Ireland is so f*cked up it's just a natural occurence of everyday life in Ireland.

Someones watched Blood Diamond.

super_furry · 21-06-2010 03:44PM

PCPhoto wrote: »

CRIMINALS GOTO PRISON FOR A PUNISHMENT - NOT A TEA PARTY WITH OTHER CRIMINALS.

But tea partys are ever so lovely. Crumpet?

Scumbags stalk the streets because there's no place for them in jail.

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