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Man dies by firing squad in US

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 master_chief


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Why make it humane?, the killer didn't do that for the victim!

    Because first, we are not animals, second you never know if the killer was really guilty or not, how many people were sentenced by mistake or fault in the law system? If you are enjoying something like that man, then seriously, seek some doc's advice perhaps...?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    I'd choose what they did in Futurama: Death by Snoo Snoo!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,540 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    I'd choose what they did in Futurama: Death by Snoo Snoo!

    bastard :mad: just beat me to it :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    He had a great apatite for someone going to get riddled with deadley bullets.

    Gardner ate his last meal of steak, lobster tail, apple pie, vanilla ice cream and 7UP soda on Thursday, having chosen to fast for the remaining time until his execution


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Lethal Injection is not so "pleasant" or "humane" as people might think.
    If I was on death row I wouldn't like to go that way anyway.

    Most prisoners either before incarceration or during the many years in prison develop a dependency on various drugs - most inevitably end up injecting themselves on a regular basis. This destroys the veins and arteries etc... leaving it difficult to inject the lethal injection.

    Also, doctors do not perform the execution - a doctor's fucntion and oath is to the preservation of life. It would be unethical for them to participate in the killing of another human being. Therefore, executions are carried out by non-medical, inexperienced prison staff. This causes huge difficulties in terms of correctly administering the lethal dose. When something goes wrong or they are faced with difficult situations (trying to find a vein etc...) they do not have the medical expertise or knowledge to handle the situation. This often leads to the subject of the execution suffering great pain and a long agonising wait for death.
    See below for other details

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/some-examples-post-furman-botched-executions


    For those of you who can't access the above site or aren't bothered to read everything - please see an exercpt below:
    Sept. 15, 2009. Ohio. Romell Broom. Lethal Injection. Efforts to find a suitable vein and to execute Mr. Broom were terminated after more than two hours when the executioners were unable to find a useable vein in Mr. Broom’s arms or legs. During the failed efforts, Mr. Broom winced and grimaced with pain. After the first hour’s lack of success, on several occasions Broom tried to help the executioners find a good vein. “At one point, he covered his face with both hands and appeared to be sobbing, his stomach heaving.

    Finally, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland ordered the execution to stop, and announced plans to attempt the execution anew after a one-week delay so that physicians could be consulted for advice on how the man could be killed more efficiently. The executioners blamed the problems on Mr. Broom’s history of intravenous drug use


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    Well its not like he's gonna have to worry about his weight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 758 ✭✭✭davrho


    Read a good book on the subject a good few years ago called "The Execution Protocol"

    One of the chapters is about firing squads. Worth a look if it's your thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 master_chief


    The most humane way would be to get prisoner to drink glass of anti vomiting solution followed by glass of Nembutal solution. This is 100% painless way to go, you basically fall asleep and never wake up. This is used by euthanasia group Dignitas in Switzerland. Why to do lethal injections on death row where they are quite easy to botch, where better and cheaper solution is just there...? I don't know...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    I'd choose what they did in Futurama: Death by Snoo Snoo!
    Sc@recrow wrote: »
    bastard :mad: just beat me to it :D

    both well beaten to it :D

    Surely death by Ninja would be the best. you wouldn't know about it and no one else would until they found your body and stuggle for ages to figure out how you actually died.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Tho most humane way would be to get prisoner to drink glass of anti vomiting solution followed by glass of Nembutal solution. This is 100% painful way to go, you basically fall asleep and never wake up. This is used by euthanasia group Dignitas in Switzerland. Why to do lethal injections on death row where they are quite easy to botch, where better and cheaper solution is just there...? I don't know...

    Assume you meant PAINLESS ?? :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭MediaTank


    bluewolf wrote: »
    There was some debate on an article I read as to whether a lethal injection is actually more humane or not. I thought it would be straightforward go to sleep type of ending, maybe it's paralytic and painful? :confused:

    It's very painful by all accounts, is often botched and is carrried out by 'technicians' rather than medical staff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 master_chief


    Uriel. wrote: »
    Assume you meant PAINLESS ?? :p

    Yes LOL, sorry my typo there :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    MediaTank wrote: »
    It's very painful by all accounts, is often botched and is carrried out by 'technicians' rather than medical staff.

    I've heard this too. There was a program on BBC a few years ago where Michael Portillo toured America looking for the most painless, humane method of execution. I remember vividly that a professor, no doubt a highly intelligent educated man, told an astonished Portillo that "they deserved to suffer". This is a professor, remember, not some hick sheriff from Bumf*ck, Ohio.

    Edit: here's a link to some of it http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/executions/thoughts/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    I remember vividly that a professor, no doubt a highly intelligent educated man, told an astonished Portillo that "they deserved to suffer". This is a professor, remember, not some hick sheriff from Bumf*ck, Ohio.

    :eek: Jesus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭Wicklowrider


    Anytime I've used blanks (either reduced or full charge) the recoil of the weapon is different to firing a real round. I wonder if the blank is just an old custom without any real function?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Is this a more humane way of killing someone than the chair or injection or hanging.
    Like seamus said earlier the slow removal of O2 in a chamber would be by far the easiest way to go. Methods like master_chief mentioned used by euthanasia practitioners would be good too.

    Of the current methods, long drop hanging seems to be by far the most humane. It's functional decapitation but the shock of the sudden stop also renders the person into deep coma instantly.
    Will they be beheading any time soon?
    It seems more humane if a little gruesome, but it seems with the guillotine at least the head can remain conscious for a time after. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine#Living_heads. People who have survived plane crashes and the like have noted how seconds seem very very long in times of extreme stress. Indeed lawyers suing airlines after crashes often point to this time dilation and attendant extra suffering to get bigger payouts. I can think of few experiences more stressful than being beheaded. At best when your head fell you would feel it falling as your inner ear responded. You would probably instinctively try to raise your arms to cushion the blow, but of course you would have no arms anymore. Shudder time.

    bluewolf wrote: »
    There was some debate on an article I read as to whether a lethal injection is actually more humane or not. I thought it would be straightforward go to sleep type of ending, maybe it's paralytic and painful? :confused:
    Yea like mentioned before its not a particularly great way to go if the anaesthetic doesnt take hold.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Why does execution have to be humane?

    Considering that it isnt humane to begin with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Like seamus said earlier the slow removal of O2 in a chamber would be by far the easiest way to go. Methods like master_chief mentioned used by euthanasia practitioners would be good too.

    Of the current methods, long drop hanging seems to be by far the most humane. It's functional decapitation but the shock of the sudden stop also renders the person into deep coma instantly.

    It seems more humane if a little gruesome, but it seems with the guillotine at least the head can remain conscious for a time after. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine#Living_heads. People who have survived plane crashes and the like have noted how seconds seem very very long in times of extreme stress. Indeed lawyers suing airlines after crashes often point to this time dilation and attendant extra suffering to get bigger payouts. I can think of few experiences more stressful than being beheaded. At best when your head fell you would feel it falling as your inner ear responded. You would probably instinctively try to raise your arms to cushion the blow, but of course you would have no arms anymore. Shudder time.


    Yea like mentioned before its not a particularly great way to go if the anaesthetic doesnt take hold.

    that's a scary f'uckin thought. did you ever see the vid of that english guys, can't think of his name, who was one of the first lads beheaded in iraq? it's f'uckin gruesome, i regret ever watching it. but it makes me think...it certainly was not a quick death as they sawed through his neck, wonder if he was concious as they held his head up for the camera...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭NothingMan


    that's a scary f'uckin thought. did you ever see the vid of that english guys, can't think of his name, who was one of the first lads beheaded in iraq? it's f'uckin gruesome, i regret ever watching it. but it makes me think...it certainly was not a quick death as they sawed through his neck, wonder if he was concious as they held his head up for the camera...

    Ken Biggley? My lil brother showed it to me on his phone and from someone who is not in the least bit squeamish about blood and gore I almost puked. It was just brutal. Even animals killed for food get killed with some thought to their suffering.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    NothingMan wrote: »
    Ken Biggley? My lil brother showed it to me on his phone and from someone who is not in the least bit squeamish about blood and gore I almost puked. It was just brutal. Even animals killed for food get killed with some thought to their suffering.

    that's the guy, ken bigley. jesus i thought about that for days afterwards, words can't describe the brutality and coldness of it - to do that to an innocent man. it was that day i really started to proper hate muzzie fundmentalists. even 9/11 didn't seem as bad to me than someone/a group capable of doing or condoning that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    MediaTank wrote: »
    It's very painful by all accounts, is often botched and is carrried out by 'technicians' rather than medical staff.

    packet of neurofen a hour beforehand will sort that out ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    There are no 100% solutions to execution.

    Even someone attempting to kill themselves with a bullet to the head don't always manage it - consider one of the July plotters against Hitler, who got a hold of a pistol after his capture. Tried not once, but twice to shoot himself in the head before an SS man had to take him off and put him down.
    See my post above. They're killing the baxtard (who may be scum of the earth btw), but that's not enough. He has to make us feel vindicated by being remorseful. What a joke.

    It depends on your view of execution as a form of punishment: A person can be seen to be too dangerous to be allowed live, a blight on civilization, and so we execute them.

    The other view is that in addition to this, even if they show remorse, their crime has been so absolute that they must be executed as punishment. So, showing remorse is not considered a reason to show clemency.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Blanks have absolutely miniscule recoil (no projectile, Newton's got this mofo covered) so if you have a blank in it, you'll know. As a salve for anyone's conscience, it's not in the game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    Was he tied down to anything, like a chair etc?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 977 ✭✭✭Abrasax


    Blanks have absolutely miniscule recoil (no projectile, Newton's got this mofo covered) so if you have a blank in it, you'll know. As a salve for anyone's conscience, it's not in the game.

    Seeing as they volunteered I doubt they'll be too bothered.
    I think it stems from the army when soldiers had to execute guys from their own side.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 977 ✭✭✭Abrasax


    Was he tied down to anything, like a chair etc?

    Gary Gilmore was seated in 'The Executioner's Song', Norman Mailers book about Gilmore's execution in Utah by firing squad in the 70's, so I'd say it's still in practise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    The Americans have no interest in using a human way of killing people. It's been known for a long time that inert gases will cause a painless almost pleasant death but Americans would rather they suffer and are ****ting themselves before death, as they put it these are not nice people their being executed for a reason and they don't want to give them a nice death because they probably didn't do the same for their victims.

    I can understand that thinking but it's state sponsored revenge from a predominantly Christian country which preaches turn the other cheek but instead they want revenge and death.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Man dies by firing squad in US A US man convicted of two murders has died by firing squad. 49 year old Ronnie Lee Gardner from Utah - has become the first person executed in a hail of bullets - in the United States - since 1976.
    That is factually incorrect according to CBS News: He is actually the Third since 1976, and the First in Fourteen Years.

    even your own link says half as much; that he was the Third since 1976, not the first.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ScumLord wrote: »
    The Americans have no interest in using a human way of killing people. It's been known for a long time that inert gases will cause a painless almost pleasant death but Americans would rather they suffer and are ****ting themselves before death, as they put it these are not nice people their being executed for a reason and they don't want to give them a nice death because they probably didn't do the same for their victims.

    I can understand that thinking but it's state sponsored revenge from a predominantly Christian country which preaches turn the other cheek but instead they want revenge and death.
    Which is funny when you read over how often people in AH wan't Ireland's convicted criminals castrated and maimed for their crimes :rolleyes:

    Im not saying I agree with death by firing squad, but you haven't a very high pony.
    seamus wrote: »
    They probably chose five U.S. Army marksmen at random who wouldn't have a choice whether or not to participate?
    Im going to want to run that by Manic Moran, but I am fairly sure that is not how the Military works; had they been Army, they would have been Volunteer. Of course it could have also been anybody from the prison system, etc.


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