Bishops have asked that our elected representatives follow a different road

the bishops are entitled to their opinion but why RTE should give their views any more prominence over anyone else's is beyond me. no-one takes them seriously any more

thebigbiffo wrote: »

the world was made by a man and a woman raising a child together - the child had the influence of both sexes and it's been the way for time immemorial. this was the way of the world and i wouldn't be so quick to jump on the pc bandwagon until i know more about the pros and cons of same sex parenting.

i couldn't give a flying f'uck if my kids were gay either as long as they were happy - but that's not the point.

Ok! let me ask you another question.

Would you be happier for an adopted child to be raised in an Orphanage, Institution, Foster family for with a same sex couple?

dclane wrote: »

Ok! let me ask you another question.

Would you be happier for an adopted child to be raised in an Orphanage, Institution, Foster family for with a same sex couple?

Biased much?

thebigbiffo wrote: »

the world was made by a man and a woman raising a child together - the child had the influence of both sexes and it's been the way for time immemorial. this was the way of the world and i wouldn't be so quick to jump on the pc bandwagon until i know more about the pros and cons of same sex parenting.

i couldn't give a flying f'uck if my kids were gay either as long as they were happy - but that's not the point.

From Medscape Medical News
Children of Same-Sex Couples Do as Well as Other Children

"Oct. 13, 2005 (Washington) — An analysis of multiple studies of 500 households shows that rearing children in a same-sex household does not affect the their self-esteem, gender identity, or emotional health, a Boston researcher reported.

"Pediatricians need to recognize that there are variations in families and learn what kind of advice to give them to optimize the child's development," said Ellen Perrin, MD, professor of pediatrics at Tufts-New England Medical Center in Boston, Massachusetts.

The researcher and colleagues looked at data from 15 studies evaluating possible stigma, teasing, social isolation, adjustment, sexual orientation, and strengths. The findings were presented here at the American Academy of Pediatrics National Conference and Exhibition.

"The vast consensus of the studies is that children of same-sex parents do as well as children whose parents are heterosexual in every way," Dr. Perrin said. "In some ways, children of same-sex parents actually may have advantages over other family structures."

It has been estimated that one to six million children are being reared by committed lesbian or gay couples in this country. Some children were born to a heterosexual couple and later raised by a same-sex couple; others were placed in foster homes, were adopted, or conceived through a surrogate mother through artificial insemination.

Previous studies of same-sex parenting have been criticized for being biased, but Dr. Perrin said the research team was extremely careful to select only solid, evidence-based research for review.

Based on nine studies from 1981 to 1994 of 260 children, aged three to 11 years, reared by either heterosexual mothers or same sex-mothers after divorce, the researchers found there was no difference in intelligence of the children, type or prevalence of psychiatric disorders, self-esteem, well-being, peer relationships, or parental stress. "The children all had a similar emotional experiences with divorce," she said.

What they did find was that after divorce children being reared by lesbian mothers had more contact with fathers than children reared by divorced heterosexual mothers, Dr. Perrin said. "There are interesting suggestions that these children are more tolerant of differences."

A separate longitudinal study of 37 children of 27 divorced lesbian mothers and an equal number of children with divorced heterosexual mothers found no differences in behavior, adjustment, gender identity, and peer relationships.

"What is exciting about this study was that they followed the children 11 years later when they became adults," Dr. Perrin said. "But they still found no difference in adjustment, self-esteem, psychiatric or psychological problems, family relationships, or in identifying sexual orientation."

Four other large studies of more than 100 couples that evaluated children either born or adopted into families found that same-sex parents were more likely to have contact with extended family for social support as well as a more equal division of labor in the home. However, children of same-sex parents did experience some stigmatization.

"The researchers found no differences in the parents other than that lesbian couples share household and child care tasks more equitably," said Dr. Perrin. "The children of lesbian couples also appeared to be less aggressive, more nurturing to peers, more tolerant of diversity, and more androgynous," playing with toys for both boys and girls.

A further analysis of the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health used randomly selected representative data from 44 adolescents aged 12 to 18 years. The study compared children living with two women in a "marriage-like" relationship to teenagers living with two heterosexual parents.

The study showed that the adolescents were similar in intrapersonal adjustments such as self-esteem, depression, and anxiety. They also were similar in school success, family relationships, and neighborhood integration, Dr. Perrin said.

"What is striking is that there are very consistent findings in these studies," she concluded. "But further study conducted in a long-term systematic manner in community samples needs to be conducted."

Dr. Perrin pointed out that "as pediatricians we have a lot of different kinds of roles. We need to be extremely careful about confidentiality with these families and assure them that their family constellation won't be broadcast. This will give us a better chance of learning more about the family and providing needed advice and discussing some of the issues."

"This is valuable information," Carol Berkowitz, MD, told Medscape. She is the immediate past president of the AAP and professor and executive vice chair in the Department of Pediatrics at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center in Torrance, California. "This subject evokes a lot of emotions that have influenced some studies. Some studies in the past were weighted based on nothing more than their own views."

The value of this presentation is these are all evidence-based studies, Dr. Berkowitz said, adding this information will help pediatricians in their practices and for setting policy.

AAP 2005 National Conference and Exhibition: Concurrent Seminar F340. Presented Oct. 10, 2005."

funny that alot of people are saying that they are entitled to their opinion.

This is true, but its not the issue at hand here, not by a mile. The main point is that they are trying to influence the democratic process. They are not entitled to do that.

Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion, but trying to influence people on a matter that they have nothing to do with is very different to simply expressing opinion.

The church is not, nor has it ever been, democratic. It does not consult its members, it dictates to them.

John Gormely is on radio1 now basically telling the church to mind their own business.

Trashbat wrote: »

funny that alot of people are saying that they are entitled to their opinion.

This is true, but its not the issue at hand here, not by a mile. The main point is that they are trying to influence the democratic process. They are not entitled to do that.

Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion, but trying to influence people on a matter that they have nothing to do with is very different to simply expressing opinion.

Of course they are entitled to influence the democratic process with their argument, if it stand ups. I'm entitled to contact my TD and put my view forward. They are similarly entitled to influence the democratic outcome. If anything their intervention will heighten the debate and hopefully result in greater support for the bill. Personally I would support gay marriage and I think its only a matter of time before it happens. Thankfully the Church wont be able to stop it, but they are entitled to argue against it.