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2010 Cooking Club Week 24: Chilli!

  • 12-06-2010 6:28pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭


    “Igor? Igor! IGOR!
    “Yeth mather?”
    “Bring forth the beef. Bring forth the unsmoked bacon. Bring forth the onions, the spices, the fresh chillies and the holy smoked new mexico reds. Bring froth the salt and the cumin seed, the paprika and the uncouth star anise. Make ready the Grand Pot, and put the beer in the fridge, for Tonight! TONIGHT, IGOR!
    “Yeth mather?”
    “TONIGHT WE MAKE CHILLI!”

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    *ahem*
    Had to get that out of my system...

    Ingredients List *here*

    Okay, first off, chilli is like religion in some parts. Lots of different views on it and some people get very irate when you even mention that there are alternatives to their take on it. Add beans to a texan's chilli and you apparently risk a punch-up. And don't ever mention the origins of the dish, because nobody knows exactly where it came from and it seems everyone claims it bar the mexicans, who think it's a wierd kind of stew and that they have far better food at home.

    But at it's basic core, chilli is just a braised beef stew, flavoured with chillis, chilli powder, cumin and thyme. Everything else is an optional extra, but miss any of those core bits and you don't have chilli. Please note - tomatoes are not on that list. Chilli is a beef stew, not beef in tomato sauce...

    This recipe is more or less my basic workaday chilli recipe. It takes about two hours in total to make, but three quarters of that is cooking time, no stirring or checking required. Like any stew, it freezes reasonably well, and keeps in the fridge for a week - so long as you don't make three kilos of the stuff you'll probably eat your way through it before that. It does have beans, I like them. If you don't, just don't add them, it'll work just as well. Maybe a little less liquid if you don't add the beans, or a little more masa at the end.

    Also, there are two specialist ingredients in here. The first is chipotle chillis in adobo sauce. I get mine from Fallon & Byrnes because it's close to hand, but there are other sources and you can find it easily enough on the net (if you buy from a uk website, the shipping's cheap). It's about a fiver for a jar from F&B and that one jar will do several pots of chilli. And yes, it's worth it - it utterly changes the taste of the final chilli, and frankly, it lets you get away with cheaper meat, so it's worth it even on a penny-counting basis. The second ingredient is masa harina. I got some in a Texas chilli-kit some friends in the US sent me as a birthday gift a while back and I've loved it ever since. You can get it in F&B's as well, or on the net. But, it's a bit of a luxury. If you can't find it, don't worry. Ordinary plain flour works just as well (you could smash some tortilla chips to pieces and add them in instead of flour, that works too, but you need to let it cook a bit longer so they fall apart in the liquid at the end).

    And there's a pressure cooker in the recipe. If you have one, brilliant. If you don't, use the biggest heaviest pot you have and cook for about 4 to 6 hours, depending on the toughness of the meat, and you have to check every hour or so to ensure the liquid hasn't evaporated away.

    On to the ingredients! (Pardon the background mess, maid's day off dontcha know. And that wonderful chopping board was €20 at TK Maxx. You have to love that place :D )

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    Back row, left to right: spice grind (more on that in a second), chopped fresh chillis, rehydrated dried new mexico red chillis, two chopped onions, a pound and a half of chopped beef (sirloin in those photos, but stewing would be better) tossed in olive oil and sea salt.
    Front row, left to right: smashed and chopped garlic, diced choritzo, diced ginger, lightly trimmed and cubed unsmoked back bacon, and about a pound of rib steak mince.
    Hiding on top of the coffee grinder's hopper - about a pound of black beans.

    On the meat - you can use a wide range of meats for chilli. But the key thing is, don't buy expensive meat. Chilli started off as a poor man's dish and good chilli remains a cheap dish. You probably don't want to use anything in it that costs much more than rump steak (if you're using beef). Stewing beef is perfect (chuck steaks, if your butcher knows what they are, are excellent for this too and you at least know what cut you're getting). It looks less than appetising, but the fact is, that connective tissue in there is going to break down to gelatin during cooking, and that gives an incredible texture to the end chilli. This photos for this recipe show sirloin because it was on special at the butchers, and it's okayish, but it's just not as good as the cheaper cuts and I've never used it for chilli since.

    Also, the meat should be cubed, at least for the bulk of it. I always add in a little mince (I'll use lamb mince if I can find it) to give the gravy a lot of body, but the bulk of the meat should be chunky. So take your stewing beef chunks or rump steak and cut them down to small cubes, nothing larger than an inch to a side. You should generally have one part mince to two parts cubed - the photos do show slightly more mince than that, but I've since found it's better to ease back on the mince if you can.

    The back bacon is just the cut they slice rashers from, but instead of cutting it into rashers, I bought a chunk about an inch wide and cubed it into small quarter-inch cubes, minus most of the fat. Like chunky lardons. You can find the bacon in a lot more shops now that we have a lot of polish folks living here, or your butcher will cut off a chunk for you. If you can't find it, just take four or five rashers and chop them up to small pieces, but the bacon's nicer if it's in chunks.

    The choritzo you can leave out if you don't like it, but nearly every shop carries it these days (hooray for immigrants!). If you put it in, just cut about an inch of choritzo sausage and cut it down to small cubes, around 4-5mm per side. You don't want too much, it's strongly flavoured stuff.

    The beans are a religious thing. Some people love them in chilli, some hate them. Some will cook the beans and serve them seperately so that the lovers won't have a punchup with the haters. And then there's the types of beans. Personally, I love black beans and pinto beans in my chilli, texas be damned. Ordinary haricot or navy beans (the kind Heinz use in tins) are too flavourless, red kidney beans aren't much better despite the tradition of using them, broad beans just fall apart to mush, and aduki beans get lost. I have done chillis with up to seven different kinds of beans in the past, but mostly these days I just stick to black and pinto beans. There should be about as many beans as mince, by weight, so about a pound of black or pinto beans in this recipe (it's black beans in the photos).

    If you even think of putting sweetcorn in this dish, by the way, you're an abomination unto dog and man alike.

    And that just leaves the chillis - I like to use a mix of dried and fresh in my chilli if I can. Variety is good. If you get the dried chillis, it's easier to have that variety - I prefer to use a mix of ancho and new mexican red chillis if I can find them (again, Fallon and Byrnes or the 'net, and you can buy tins of dried ancho chillis which will last several batches of chilli for under a tenner). Rehydrate the dried chillis in plain tap water for a while, then drain them and squeeze them a bit to get rid of most of the water before you add them in. Leave the seeds out of the fresh chillis if you're not a fan of chemical burns, and stick to ordinary jalapeno chillis (I tried this with a scotch bonnet pepper before and had to dump the entire batch as inedible). The amount you put in here is going to go up if you keep cooking this dish - but if you're just starting, try about two fresh chillis and four dried ones to start with. If you like chillis, go wild.

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    Oh, and if you're working with chillis and like your eyes, spend €20 in Boots (or €9 online) and buy a box of latex exam gloves to wear while prepping the chillis. Cheapest effective solution ever.

    On to the rest of the ingredients:
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    Back row, left to right: Worcestershire sauce (1 tsp), ordinary beer, Nam Pla (0.5 tsp). Front Row, left to right: tomato puree (2 tbsp), dried thyme (2 tsp), paprika (1 tsp), jalapeno chilli flakes (1 tsp), chipotle chillies in adobo sauce (1 tsp per batch of meat), star anise (1 or 2).

    No, Nam Pla isn't a speciality ingredient, honest! :D
    And yes, it seems a tad odd, but it and the star anise do the same thing - boost the savory taste of the meat. If you can't find one or the other, it's not a huge loss, but try for at least one. BTW, I prefer to put the star anise in these small cotton spice bags, belt it with a mallet to smash it, and dump the bag into the pot - it's easier to retrieve it before serving that way. The bags are cheap (€3 for a pack of six if I remember right) and I got mine from the kitchen shop off Grafton Street, but you can find them on any cooking shop website, or make one from cheesecloth.

    The beer should be any ordinary beer. Not stout or weisbier, and not lager if you can help it. The former are too heavy and get horrible with cooking, the latter are too light. And you only need two bottles. One goes in the pot, one goes in the cook. :D (Yes, you can use water if you want to skip the small amount of alcohol that will remain after cooking, but it'll be less tasty).

    The spices:
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    The spice mix can be a bit personal, vary it to your tastes if you wish. In this case, it's 1tsp cumin seeds, 0.5tsp fennel seeds, 0.5tsp black peppercorns, 1tsp sea salt and 1tsp chilli powder, all ground in the mortar (though I've been known to just cheat and use an electric blade coffee grinder of late, though I skip the peppercorns when I do as it doesn't do them quite so well for some reason). Cumin, salt and chilli powder are pretty much required, they form the basis of the spices for the dish; the fennel is there to try to cut down a bit on gaseous emissions caused by legume consumption and are optional, and the pepper is there to give a little kick at a different point on the tongue.

    The one other thing about the spices is that they're ground from fresh because this is a poor man's dish. It's far cheaper (and far tastier) to grind spices from seed because the spices last longer on the shelf (2 years -v- 3 months) when whole than when preground like you get in tesco.

    Oh, and you could add two bay leaves to the pot during cooking if you want. I've been trying that in the last batch or two, but I'm not fully sold on the idea yet.

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    And the Great Chilli Pot, also known as a pressure cooker. This one’s a wee bit old, inherited from family, but modern ones are even better. Since it’s so heavy, we can sear in this as well as braise.

    Right, that's the ingredients and the hardware. Next post is the actual process itself (had to split the post up, too many images used!)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


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    Step one: trim the beef, cube it, toss in salt and olive oil, then brown in batches in the Great Chilli Pot on very high heat, with one teaspoon of adobo sauce added to each batch as it finishes up. Then remove to a large mixing bowl.

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    Step two: trim, cube and brown the bacon along with the diced choritzo (add the choritzo in only for the last minute or two of cooking, or it will burn), then remove to the mixing bowl with the beef.

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    Step three: brown the mince, then remove to the mixing bowl. Make sure to brown the mince properly, stirring thoroughly and energetically to keep it moving and break it up until it is almost dry and crumbly.

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    Step four: sweat the onions down with one whole star anise and some salt, remove to bowl (discarding the star anise here unless you have it in the cotton bag I mentioned earlier - if you do have it in the bag, pull it after cooking is over). Then fry the spice mix in the pot with the chopped fresh chillis and the chopped rehydrated dried chillis and the garlic and the ginger for a minute or three until very pungent, and then remove to the mixing bowl.

    Did I mention that the mixing bowl should be a large one? :D

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    Step five: deglaze the pot with beer, then add the liquid ingredients (Nam Pla and Worcestershire) and get that boiling. Then add the dry black beans (no presoak needed in this case, but it won't hurt if you want to do it anyway) and dried thyme, paprika, jalapeno flakes and tomato puree, and then all the previously cooked ingredients. You can add bay leaves here if you want. Mix to get it all combined, then bring the mix back up to a boil, clamp on the lid of the pressure cooker, build up to pressure then back off the heat to a simmer and leave it there for 90 minutes.

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    Step six: take lid off pressure cooker, get faceful of steam and burn your hand on the lid, then stir the chilli.

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    Step seven: add a tablespoon of masa harina and then stir it in and leave it cook out, covered, for five minutes. If the gravy is still not thick enough, add more masa in teaspoon amounts, stirring and cooking for a few minutes each time, until the gravy is as thick as you want it. (Hint - don't get it too thick, you want it to be just a little more watery than you think you do, because it will keep thickening for the next hour or so as the masa and beans continue to hydrate).

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    Step eight: admire the glory that is your chilli, then take a ladle and a bowl¿

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    Step nine: put ladle of chilli in bowl, add a dollop of sour cream because you¿re caucasian, then using spoon, eat the delicious chilli :D

    Okay, you can serve it with tortillas as well, or rice. Just don't forget to at least try the purist's approach and just eat the chilli as-is...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    Wow Sparks, that looks amazing! I wish I liked Chilli :(. Well done for putting in such an effort.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,797 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    Sparks - You've really set the bar high now for future CC posters. I'm glad I went when I did. :o

    Nice one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    Wow, that's a recipe post of epic proportions. Kudos, even though I really am not a fan of chilli, having tried the authentic version in a restaurant in New York :( Oh well, might give it another try sometime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,139 ✭✭✭olaola


    I. Am. Drooling. Looks great! One Q - where did you get the Masa Harina?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Thanks guys, enjoyed putting it together :D
    olaola wrote: »
    I. Am. Drooling. Looks great! One Q - where did you get the Masa Harina?
    Fallon and Byrnes, longside the adobo sauce (they have a stand with a lot of mexican spices and ingredients up near the deli counter, longside the shelf of olive oils)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭LD 50


    Wow, that is one hell of a chilli. Mine pales in comparison, and I thought mine was alright. Thanks Sparks. One question though, for the recipe above, how many would it feed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,797 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    LD 50 wrote: »
    how many would it feed?
    Just one hungry Hill Billy. ;)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,505 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Er, wow! Thanks for posting.

    I approve of the sweetcorn remark. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭kerash


    Oh that looks delicious! I will be making this, thank you for the recipe and excellent detail:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭boodlesdoodles


    Fantastic post!! That chilli looks incredible will definitely be trying it out. We like it hot hot hot in this house! Tanx.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    LD 50 wrote: »
    One question though, for the recipe above, how many would it feed?
    You get about 10-12 sane responsible servings... and about 6-8 of my normal servings :D
    (You'd get closer to the 10-12 if you serve it with rice, as you fill up faster...)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,675 ✭✭✭TechnoPool


    GREAT! pictures, WHY did i have to have stomach ulcers now i cant try this :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    TechnoPool wrote: »
    WHY did i have to have stomach ulcers now i cant try this :(
    So get a dose of antibiotics and get rid of the ulcers :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Little Alex


    Wow, Sparks, that certainly is a fine recipe!
    Sparks wrote: »
    “Igor? Igor! IGOR!
    “Yeth mather?”

    “Bring forth the beef. Bring forth the unsmoked bacon. Bring forth the onions, the spices, the fresh chillies and the holy smoked new mexico reds. Bring froth the salt and the cumin seed, the paprika and the uncouth star anise. Make ready the Grand Pot, and put the beer in the fridge, for Tonight! TONIGHT, IGOR!
    “Yeth mather?”

    “TONIGHT WE MAKE CHILLI!”

    I have to ask... did you make that up or is it (modified?) from a movie? :D For some reason I can see Riff Raff or maybe... Young Frankenstein?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    I have to ask... did you make that up or is it (modified?) from a movie? :D
    To be honest, I'm not sure what corner of my head it came out of. It's not in Young Frankenstein (or it'd be eye-gore), and I've never seen Riff Raff, and I don't remember seeing it in any other mad scientist movie and I don't think Terry Pratchett ever wrote quite those kind of lines - but if you mix all that stuff up and add cheese before bedtime, you might get something like that :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭kerash


    NO tins of tomatoes! omg :P plus if I dont have masa harina should i use cornflour? And you mention ginger but how much and dried or fresh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    You can add tins of tomatoes, but you just end up with something like a ragu instead of a chilli if you do; the red in the chilli should come from the chillis, not the tomatoes :D

    If you can't find masa, use ordinary flour. Cornflour might work, but I've never tried it (don't mix up cornflour and cornstarch, I have tried that one :D ).

    The ginger was a piece about the size of your thumb from tip to first knuckle - about 1" or so. I think I might have typo'd it as garlic above.... yup, I did, fixing that now. And it's fresh ginger. That much dried ginger... might be a bit too potent :D

    edit:Bother, can't edit the first post. Faith, could you correct my typo up there under the first picture of ingredients please? Front row, after the choritzo, it's diced ginger, not diced garlic. Thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭kerash


    Sparks wrote: »
    You can add tins of tomatoes, but you just end up with something like a ragu instead of a chilli if you do; the red in the chilli should come from the chillis, not the tomatoes :D

    If you can't find masa, use ordinary flour. Cornflour might work, but I've never tried it (don't mix up cornflour and cornstarch, I have tried that one :D ).

    The ginger was a piece about the size of your thumb from tip to first knuckle - about 1" or so. I think I might have typo'd it as garlic above.... yup, I did, fixing that now. And it's fresh ginger. That much dried ginger... might be a bit too potent :D

    edit:Bother, can't edit the first post. Faith, could you correct my typo up there under the first picture of ingredients please? Front row, after the choritzo, it's diced ginger, not diced garlic. Thanks!

    I made it! it should be done by 9 a late dinner! but it's very hot, too hot for me I'm going to try the sour cream to tone down the spice is there anything else I can do?

    Also I used 1/2 tsp of ground ginger and no tomato for me no sir, I want to stay authentic as i can!
    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    kerash wrote: »
    I made it! it should be done by 9 a late dinner! but it's very hot, too hot for me I'm going to try the sour cream to tone down the spice is there anything else I can do?
    Sugar. A little honey or brown sugar will tone down the heat a bit. Other than that, you can add the sour cream at serving time (don't add dairy to the pot or it will split and it gets icky).
    Also, top with some cheese (any dairy will cut the burn, more or less).


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    Sparks wrote: »
    edit:Bother, can't edit the first post. Faith, could you correct my typo up there under the first picture of ingredients please? Front row, after the choritzo, it's diced ginger, not diced garlic. Thanks!

    Done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Faith wrote: »
    Done.
    Thank you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Little Alex


    Sparks wrote: »
    To be honest, I'm not sure what corner of my head it came out of. It's not in Young Frankenstein (or it'd be eye-gore), and I've never seen Riff Raff, and I don't remember seeing it in any other mad scientist movie and I don't think Terry Pratchett ever wrote quite those kind of lines - but if you mix all that stuff up and add cheese before bedtime, you might get something like that :D

    Riff Raff is from Rocky Horror. It's not him for sure, but he's an Igor type of character.

    Anyway. I'll be hitting Fallon & Byrne's hard on Saturday and if there's no masa or chipotles in adobo I'll know who to blame... anyone else that posts here that they made it! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭xxdilemmaxx


    Kerash, how much chilli did you use? Am going to make this tonight and am scared now!!

    Will only be starting it at about 7pm so will be finished by midnight as I've no pressure cooker, at least it's tomorrows dinner sorted! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭kerash


    Kerash, how much chilli did you use? Am going to make this tonight and am scared now!!

    Will only be starting it at about 7pm so will be finished by midnight as I've no pressure cooker, at least it's tomorrows dinner sorted! :D

    Well I didnt have time to buy the chopped fresh chillis, rehydrated dried new mexico red chillis(slap on the wrist for me!) so I used 1tsp chili powder and 2tsp of flakes and that was too hot for me. I must add that I used a little less beef than stated and 2/3 bottle of beer.
    But the sugar worked out great, I topped with sour cream and cheese, om nom. The OH proclaimed he didnt like chili (after me slaving away:mad:) yet he cleared his plate and finished off mine!
    Tonight it's left over chili in tortilla wraps with guacamole, lettuce, cheese, salsa........ /mouth waters :D

    ps I dont have a pressure cooker either 2 1/2 hours on the stove did the job:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    kerash wrote: »
    I used 1tsp chili powder and 2tsp of flakes and that was too hot for me.
    Yikes. That's rather a low tolerance! :D (You'd find that the next time you ate the chilli that your tolerance level has risen, and eventually, you'd have to start adding in more chillis to up the heat level again).
    The OH proclaimed he didnt like chili (after me slaving away:mad:) yet he cleared his plate and finished off mine!
    That happens :D
    Tonight it's left over chili in tortilla wraps with guacamole, lettuce, cheese, salsa........ /mouth waters :D
    Or poured over a plate of tortilla chips (just not doritos, they're too thin and not strong enough to lift much chilli as a result) with guacamole, cheese and sour cream poured on top for one of the better plates of nachos ever...
    ps I dont have a pressure cooker either 2 1/2 hours on the stove did the job:)
    I might even have left it a bit longer, depending on the cut of beef used - pick up a cube of beef at the end of the cooking time with tongs and check to see if it's almost completely broken down and falling apart - that's when it's ready...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Little Alex


    I have the ingredients together now and will be making it tomorrow or Tuesday.

    The chipotle in adobo was €6.55 and the masa harina was €5.95 for 500g. Poor man's dish, eh? :D

    The chipotle stuff tastes great, though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    The chipotle in adobo was €6.55 and the masa harina was €5.95 for 500g. Poor man's dish, eh? :D
    Well, in the US where the dish comes from, the chipotles would have cost you somewhere between €1 and €2 for that amount, and that jar will last for between four and six batches of chilli (which is what, somewhere from 30 to 50 servings of chilli so between 14 and 21 cents per serving here and between two and six cents in the US :D ). The masa is also cheaper in the US as they make so much more of it - at 5.95 for 500g, you're paying around about four times as much as you would for the very top end of masa harina in the states.

    Mind you, that masa will last for months (and even if you make chilli once a week, you won't get through it in that time).

    Still though... you don't really need the masa, that's a luxury ingredient on this side of the atlantic :D
    The chipotle stuff tastes great, though!
    Yeah, that's the reason that you're likely to go through it before you make the second batch of chilli - you wind up putting it in everything because it tastes so good :D


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    The chipotle stuff tastes great, though!

    Whenever you're serving nibbles that include a mayo-dip, rememebr to mix some of the "chipotle in adobo" into the mayo first. Wonderful with fried shrimp.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Little Alex


    Yeah, I thought alright that in the US or Mexico that the masa would be way, way cheaper.

    Anyway. It's made!

    Right, I ended up using a lot more liquid in mine, maybe because I don't have a pressure cooker, but I did have the lid on. I used a mix of pinto beans and cow peas because I couldn't find any black beans. I also used half the jar of chipotle! :D Apart from that I think it was pretty much your recipe.

    Tastes pretty darned good!

    Here is the pot:

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    Here is the bowl:

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    In the background I have a bag of dried chipotles that you can get in Tesco. They cost about €2, are pretty good and could be used if anyone can't find a jar of the stuff. The ingredients in the jar are:

    "Water, cider vinegar, tomato puree, diced chipotles, onions, sugar, salt, garlic puree, herbs & spices."

    So, thanks Sparks for your great recipe!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭nice1franko


    Looking forward to trying this. I'll have to wait til I come across some of the ingredients though.

    I've a few questions:
    1) About how much flour do you need - couple of spoon fulls?
    2) How much garlic? Looks like 3 or 4 cloves?
    3) If I can't get dried chillis I was going to just use 2 or 3 normal chilis with the seeds in. Does that sound ok?
    4) How much bacon? Looks about 200g?

    Was a bit of work to summarise the shopping list but since I have it typed I'll post it up too in case it's handy for anyone else:

    chipotle chillis in adobo sauce (1 tsp per batch of meat)
    masa harina (or plain flour)
    4 rehydrated dried new mexico red chillis

    2 chopped fresh chillis
    2 chopped onions
    a pound and a half of chopped beef (pref stewing, shin etc) (680g)
    smashed and chopped garlic
    diced choritzo (about an inch of it)
    diced ginger (about an inch of it)
    lightly trimmed and cubed unsmoked back bacon (about 200g?)
    a pound of rib steak mince (450g)
    a pound of black and/or pinto beans (450g) (red kidney beans will do)

    Worcestershire sauce (1 tsp)
    ordinary beer (not stout, wheatbeer or lager)
    Nam Pla/fish sauce(0.5 tsp)
    tomato puree (2 tbsp)
    dried thyme (2 tsp)
    paprika (1 tsp)
    jalapeno chilli flakes (1 tsp)
    star anise (1 or 2)

    1tsp cumin seeds
    0.5tsp fennel seeds
    0.5tsp black peppercorns
    1tsp sea salt
    1tsp chilli powder


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Looking forward to trying this. I'll have to wait til I come across some of the ingredients though.

    I've a few questions:
    1) About how much flour do you need - couple of spoon fulls?
    Start with a tablespoon full, stir in, let cook for a few minutes (the flour has to hydrate) and see if it's thickened enough. If it has, stop, if not, add a level teaspoon more and repeat. You want to add it slowly because it's a lot easier to thicken the gravy than to thin it. An exact answer is hard here, because it depends on how much liquid is in the pot after cooking, and that depends on the ingredients used, for example, what kind of beans you used (or if you used them), how much water was in the tomato paste, how dry you cooked the mince, and so on.
    2) How much garlic? Looks like 3 or 4 cloves?
    There were about six medium-sized cloves smashed and minced in mine.
    But I like garlic :D
    3) If I can't get dried chillis I was going to just use 2 or 3 normal chilis with the seeds in. Does that sound ok?
    I'd leave the seeds out, especially if you've not had chilli before. And yes, it sounds fine. The dried chillis tend to add more flavour than heat, which is why I keep them about, but if you can't get dried, fresh will still give you flavour as well.
    4) How much bacon? Looks about 200g?
    A little bit more I think - it's basicly a little over an inch of back bacon cut down to small cubes, with some of the fat trimmed away (but not all!).


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr Magnolia


    Couldn't get the buckin chipotle chillis in adobo sauce anywhere, gonna plough on regardless so if there's anything I should adjust to balance for this let me know please.

    I'm doing some nachos either to start or along with the dish so any recommendations for dressing these would be most welcome.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    I've never found anything that quite substitutes for the chipotles I'm afraid :(
    Marks and Sparks are doing a smoked chipotle salsa at the moment which has a similar flavour, but I don't know if it'd survive being used as a glaze when browning meat like that (and some joker put sweetcorn in it).

    As to the nachos, I'm unfussy. One bowl with chips, one with guacamole (homemade, with lots of tomatoes and some jalapenos thrown in as well). Done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Couldn't get the buckin chipotle chillis in adobo sauce anywhere
    I called into Fallon&Byrnes this evening and they're right there in the mexican food rack:

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    Looks like this close up:

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    Also, there's masa harina (middle of the shelf above it, the white bag), lots of dried whole chillis in various plastic pouches on either side of the rack, and those metal tins to the right of the chipotle jars are dried and chopped ancho and habenero chillis - very convienent, and which I'm using more and more I find. Not the habenero ones though, they'd burn the backside off an armadillo.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr Magnolia


    It's one the tastiest dishes that I've done from the CC so far. A real winner and a new favourite with everyone here. I ended up using 2 fresh and 6 dried chillies and am really looking forward to getting the chipotles now to see what they bring to the party. Sparks, thanks a million, win win. It didn't need the rice. The nacho's were great with it btw.

    The batteries on both cameras were dead so had to use the camera phone.

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr Magnolia


    Sparks wrote: »
    I called into Fallon&Byrnes this evening and they're right there in the mexican food rack

    Also, there's masa harina (middle of the shelf above it, the white bag), lots of dried whole chillis in various plastic pouches on either side of the rack, and those metal tins to the right of the chipotle jars are dried and chopped ancho and habenero chillis - very convienent, and which I'm using more and more I find. Not the habenero ones though, they'd burn the backside off an armadillo.

    I'm normally in Dublin a lot but just haven't had cause to go up recently. I'm up there next weekend and will swing by F&B. Thanks for confirming they're there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Sparks, thanks a million, win win.
    Cheers Magnolia.
    Yes, I can indeed cook a dream meal in a kitchen I built with my own hands. Screw you Old Spice :D
    It didn't need the rice.
    Yup, but where it's really good as well is if you do a mission-style burrito with it.
    Take one large flour tortilla, spread a bit of sour cream over the top two thirds of the surface, sprinkle over some rice, spoon on some of the chilli and some of Marks'n'Sparks chipotle salsa (ignoring the sweetcorn some idiot put in it) and wrap it up. Very filling, very delicious.
    The nacho's were great with it btw.
    And you got the right chips too - much more structurally sound than the dorito standard :D
    The batteries on both cameras were dead so had to use the camera phone.
    Looks great!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭nice1franko


    Did this last night. I'm no chilli connoisseur but it's the best I ever had. Makes what I thought was Chilli seem like baby food or somethin.

    Went into F&B to get the stuff (btw, had some lunch upstairs and it wasn't great :/) but they've great ingredients downstairs. Next time you're in there pick up some smoked salt or "sel fumé" I think it said on the bottle.

    Anyway, the chipotle chilis in adobo sauce are something else alright - can see why you advise not to skip it. Are there any other recipes you use it in?

    Next time I make this I'll do a double batch and freeze it in bags.

    Nice one sparks, cracking recipe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Did this last night. I'm no chilli connoisseur but it's the best I ever had. Makes what I thought was Chilli seem like baby food or somethin.
    Aw, shucks :)
    Anyway, the chipotle chilis in adobo sauce are something else alright - can see why you advise not to skip it. Are there any other recipes you use it in?
    Damn near every tex-mex kind of meal I cook.

    For example, cut three or four chicken breasts into largish chunks (the main breast should give five or six, the little fillet another one or two bits). In a large mixing bowl mix a tablespoon of the adobo sauce, the juice of one lime (reserve the halves), a teaspoon each of salt and paprika, a half-teaspoon of chilli powder and cumin seeds, a teaspoon or so of tomato puree and about two tablespoons of olive oil (you could use peanut if you have it as well). Whisk all that to a smooth paste and if doesn't have the consistency of a thick tomato soup, add more oil until it does. Then chop the remains of the lime into four quarters, chuck them into the marinade and add the chicken. Toss to coat, cover over and marinade in the fridge for at least an hour, preferably for a few more. Never left it overnight, but it ought to be okay.

    Then fry it off in the skillet until it's cooked through (should be ~10-15 minutes, don't use high heat, you want to cook, not sear), and pour off the excess liquid in the skillet. Set the chicken aside on a cutting board to cool for a few minutes, and in the skillet, cook some julienne'd onions and green peppers at high heat until soft; put them in a bowl. Cook a cup of basmati rice; add to another serving bowl. Cook some pinto beans, either from dry (best results) or reheated from a can (meh, it's all good), and put them in yet another serving bowl. Now go back to the chicken, and chop it down from the large chunks to much smaller chunks so it almost looks shredded. You want the bits to be the same size as the bits of onion you get if you roughly chop an onion. Put the result in a serving bowl and put on the table with some sour cream, some salsa and flour tortillas, and you have proper chipotle&lime marinaded chicken mission-style burritos, served family style.
    (To assemble, it's a schmear of sour cream on the tortilla, a layer of rice, a scattering of beans, a line of shredded chicken topped by a line of salsa, all rolled up and scoffed).


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Mix to get it all combined, then bring the mix back up to a boil, clamp on the lid of the pressure cooker, build up to pressure then back off the heat to a simmer and leave it there for 90 minutes.

    Seeing as I don't have a pressure cooker, how long do you think I should leave it before adding the flour ?


    Also you say to avoid larger but you have a bottle of Zywiec in one of the photographs.
    Isn't that larger ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Generally you're looking at a few hours Ponster. You add the flour right at the very end, same as with the pressure cooker, but the cooking time is going to be anywhere from four to six hours (or even longer) depending on the meat itself. When the meat chunks are falling apart is when it's done, basicly.

    And the beer was the heaviest I could find to hand that wasn't stout. You just want something that's middle-of-the-road. Budweiser and other lagers are too light; stouts get really bitter when you cook them. And I wouldn't waste tsing tao and it's too light anyway :D So whatever you have that fits that bill will do. (Actually, you can use lagers and nothing goes too wrong, you just get better flavour with beer - so if the choice is lager or stout, use the lager and don't worry about it).


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Sparks wrote: »
    (Actually, you can use lagers and nothing goes too wrong, you just get better flavour with beer - so if the choice is lager or stout, use the lager and don't worry about it).

    Now I've had a couple of Paddys so don't mind me if this comes over as drunk-talk but larger is beer though not all beer is larger.
    What you used in you recipe is larger though you told us to avoid it.

    I guess you mean to use a well-rounded beer more-like an ale than tasteless yellow water? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    All lager is beer, but when I said beer, I was shorthanding for "a middle-of-the-road, not-lager, not-stout beer" :D

    And yes, ale would be a better word to use :D


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    So seeing as it's July 14th and to celebrate my 12th year living in France I've decided to make chilli :)

    I had to adjust some of the ingredients that weren't all that easy to find in Paris but strangely enough I had no problem in getting the specific Mexician ones :)

    I'll post back here in about 4 hours !



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr Magnolia


    I got a couple of jars of chipotle chillis in adobo sauce from F&B so this dish will be on the hob before long \o/

    I also added some beef stock as I found it was a little dry in the post when cooking even with the beer, just fyi. Don't know if this was sacrilegious?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    There's no sacrilege in beef stock :) I generally like my chilli a little on the dry side - I think that the soup-like mince-based stuff served in some places is more properly called slop - but a looser chilli isn't all bad. 'Course, you could just add more beer and the meat and the cooking time would turn it into a beef stock :D


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Sparks wrote: »
    . 'Course, you could just add more beer and the meat and the cooking time would turn it into a beef stock :D

    This is what I'm going to do. 1.5 hours into the cooking and I can see that it's going to be much too dry when I get around to adding the flour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Well, if it's in an open pot, you'll have to add liquid continually as you go. You're aiming for a braise really, not a soup or a saute, so you have to add little and often (about a cup every 20 minutes or so, depending on heat, less if you have the lid on).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭kerash


    I made the chili again! I added too little chili this time :p
    Question - is there any place i can buy the chipotle in adobe around swords or the adjoining area? (I promise to get to F&B if not)
    Also would this slow cooker from argos be good to cook the chili in?http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055966260

    One last thing I had no beer for the last batch and added some beef stock instead, I wouldnt do that again. More chili more beer!!:pac:


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