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the best Ironman Race??

  • 15-06-2010 12:51PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭


    I would like some views on which Ironman race is the best overall atmosphere speed etc Europe only FOR 2011!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    depends on a lot of factors. Some of the big ones are
    1. IM corp branded or IM distance?
    2. are you male or female (faster might be different depending on gender)
    3. how good you are acclimatising, fastest on paper might not be fastest if you cant handle the heat
    4. willing to risk non wetsuit swim?
    5. depends on what you mean by atmosphere
    ....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭tridying


    im or challange
    male
    ok in heat
    dont mind if no wet suit
    crowd etc for atmosphere


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    Then I would go for Germany or Roth. Fast courses and excellent atmosphere. Austria and Switzerland also tend to be fast but I hate the Swiss race and feel it lacks passion and professionalism. Ausstria is often said to be the fastest european course but I'm not convinced on the evidence when you compare more than the pro men results. There is also the second IM branded race in Regensburg and I quite fancy a crack at that next year.


    Some background reading below.
    http://ironman.com/holdingcell/2001/march-2001/champions-face-challenges-aplenty-on-ironman-qualifier-courses
    http://www.neilhammond.com/ironman/IMQualificationAnalysis.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Izoard


    I hate the Swiss race and feel it lacks passion and professionalism.

    Damn, should have paid more attention!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Then I would go for Germany or Roth. Fast courses and excellent atmosphere. Austria and Switzerland also tend to be fast but I hate the Swiss race and feel it lacks passion and professionalism. Ausstria is often said to be the fastest european course but I'm not convinced on the evidence when you compare more than the pro men results. There is also the second IM branded race in Regensburg and I quite fancy a crack at that next year.


    Some background reading below.
    http://ironman.com/holdingcell/2001/march-2001/champions-face-challenges-aplenty-on-ironman-qualifier-courses
    http://www.neilhammond.com/ironman/IMQualificationAnalysis.htm


    Austria is a fast course but not as fast as Frankfurt I am told. Also Austria does not suit the larger athlete as power to weight is a significant factor there.

    Austria has a fantastic setup and having seen alot of the bits that most athletes done they've covered everything imho.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    Izoard wrote: »
    Damn, should have paid more attention!:)
    very much my personal opinion though. Got to remember I got my nose broken in that race and I had done a lot of IM's before it so noticed the "sninginess" more than someone used to local races would.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭tridying


    i like the look of the second one in germany the time of year is nice .. i am signed up for frankfurt in 20 days !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    I love Frankfurt. It's probably my favourite IM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭tridying


    would u go back to back or try a different one presuming all goes well ? i really like the look of austria too and roth ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    atmosphere in Roth is even bigger than Frankfurt but with Relays and staggered starts it has a different feel to it. For the really big razzmatazz you need to look at a north american race though. The yanks really know how to big things up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭tridying


    i see lanzarote is filling up fast ... it this its last year under the Ironman brand rumor has it ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    tridying wrote: »
    would u go back to back or try a different one presuming all goes well ? i really like the look of austria too and roth ?

    Austria is expensive to get to and expensive to stay in.
    I went last year, didn't finish, and stupidly entered the morning after last year without considering things.

    It is a fvcking class place though with a lovely zoo and petting farm (I like zoos), also a great maze made out of hedges.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    I love Frankfurt. It's probably my favourite IM.

    Would love to do it next year. Would suck this year with the 188km bike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭tridying


    so are u going this year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    tridying wrote: »
    i see lanzarote is filling up fast ... it this its last year under the Ironman brand rumor has it ??

    I think unless you are looking for a Kona slot and can go sub nine on a normal course or 9:20 on Lanza do a challenge.

    (remember with the new pro licencing rules this year all the second and third tier pros are racing AG and on average in Oz and Nz the qualifiying times have dropped 20-25 minutes in the AGs < 40/45


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭tridying


    yeah not to mention the 15 hour cut off would not like to be border line!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭tridying


    i will be in kona some day when i win the ironman lotto spot lol::D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    tridying wrote: »
    so are u going this year?

    Frankfurt? No, if I could get a pass for next year I would like to go. But may be alot to ask.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭911sc


    Got to remember I got my nose broken in that race

    How did you manage that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭locteau


    I think Lanzarote is the best one.

    It has the spirit of the old gang real Ironman though thing, which has been a bit demistify now with all the events. I remember in the 90's when only a very few athletes was doing them...... now many of have done a good few.

    I was suppose to go to china this year (was entered) and got swine flu. Will run Belfast 24 instead (or walk :D). Roth used to be before Frankfurt and is and still amazing but lost the label.

    Nice is brilliant, but too many french people :) Florida is very calm but lovely weather, Canada is brilliant along with switzerland but when did it was very cold swim..... I did not like the UK (2006) but was just the organisation maybe and atmosphere was quiet enough. Austria is great with but I think it is because all the irish lads go there.:D

    Kona is suppose to be fabulous, but even with the many IM I have done I never was good enough to qualify..... will wait the 80 year old category then :P

    Only IM label count guys........ the other ones are training ones..... you can't get the tattoo without the label :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭S. Goodspeed


    tunney wrote: »
    Would love to do it next year. Would suck this year with the 188km bike.

    Is it up to 188km now? Ffs! They have a note up on there website sayin it was 185km and supposedly the course is normally 183km so I wasn't (too) put out by it. I know it's only a few k extra but for people aiming to break the big 10 or 11 hour marks (or any target really) it is very annoying. Plus Liam Dolan will have to go extra hard now to improve on his national record. I'm very surprised the Germans weren't able to sort something out.

    OP - I've only ever done Nice but would recommend it, swim and bike are amazing. Yes the bike course is hilly and probably adds 30min to the average competitor's time but the time actually seems to go faster because you are constantly either climbing or descending round ridiculous hairpins (as opposed to being stuck on tri bars) The run is hell, makin you run up and down a boardwalk alongside a packed Mediterranean beach in 35-40 degrees heat is just sadistic. Crowd is patchy but quite vocal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Is it up to 188km now? Ffs! They have a note up on there website sayin it was 185km and supposedly the course is normally 183km so I wasn't (too) put out by it. I know it's only a few k extra but for people aiming to break the big 10 or 11 hour marks (or any target really) it is very annoying. Plus Liam Dolan will have to go extra hard now to improve on his national record. I'm very surprised the Germans weren't able to sort something out.

    I'd be confident he crushes that record.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭delboyfagan


    tunney wrote: »
    Also Austria does not suit the larger athlete as power to weight is a significant factor there.

    .

    At last my work has allowed me to access this site again.

    First post I read and this is what I see. 16st going over. Was hoping to hear good things about the bike course rather than the truth!!!!

    A serious lack of training so hoping for that the 50% undertrained rather than 2% overtrained rule applies


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    At last my work has allowed me to access this site again.

    First post I read and this is what I see. 16st going over. Was hoping to hear good things about the bike course rather than the truth!!!!

    A serious lack of training so hoping for that the 50% undertrained rather than 2% overtrained rule applies

    I've been savaged recently for described austria as hilly and technical, but thats how i remember it (albeit) I only drove it and haven't the best memory of that month. One of my friends (9:15 there) describes it as such as well, but another lad (9:02) disagrees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    tunney wrote: »
    I've been savaged recently for described austria as hilly and technical, but thats how i remember it (albeit) I only drove it and haven't the best memory of that month. One of my friends (9:15 there) describes it as such as well, but another lad (9:02) disagrees.
    depends on perspective, compared to Nice or lanza it's flat and straight, compared to a typical Irish race, it's not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    depends on perspective, compared to Nice or lanza it's flat and straight, compared to a typical Irish race, it's not.

    9:15 friend has done most of the IMs on the euro circuit and a few in NA too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    tunney wrote: »
    I'd be confident he crushes that record.


    Probably, but will he still have it though. Matt Molloy could outdo him this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Probably, but will he still have it though. Matt Molloy could outdo him this year

    who? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Yup you heard me, they will both go sub 9. A debut 8:45 will probably seal it though


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Yup you heard me, they will both go sub 9. A debut 8:45 will probably seal it though

    New IM record will be 8:3x this year. Who holds it - who knows, but 8:45 won't be it.


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