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How do you stay calm when a fight breaks out?

  • 21-05-2010 03:00PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭


    Any time I've been in a position when me or a friend are being threatened, my heart rate jumps up to the point where I am pretty much having a heart attack, I begin shaking almost uncontrollobly and have no control over the situation, so that if I was attacked I probably wouldn't even be able to raise a hand to defend myself. How can I get over this fear and stay calm? I'm sure everyones heart rate increases when a fights about to break out but mine just goes to another level.

    It happens all the time, no matter who is threatening me, so for example it could be someone smaller than me who I know I could beat in a fight if I stayed calm and relaxed, but nerves just always get the better of me.

    What can I do to overcome these problems? I'm reasonable active, go to the gym 4 times a week and do cardio, so in theory my resting heart rate should be low enough (not measured it so not sure if it actually is), and I can't see why it increases so much at the thought of a fight happening?

    Any thoughts?


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Niall Keane


    First off you should assess how and why you keep pissing people off that "it happens all the time".
    Beyond that you seem to be saying that you become paralysed in the face of violence. This is pretty normal if you've had a secure upbringing. The way to get over it is to immerse yourself in full contact training sanshou, Muay Thai, MMA whatever.
    A lot of people who walk through my door are the same at first, they flinch at strikes close their eyes etc. Often if they've come from previous light contact or make believe arts they aim to miss fall short etc which is useless to them and their training partners. At first I sometimes see them look a bit horrified at the training. After a few belts they usually out of revenge strike back this is good it allows them to get over their virgin attitude to violence. After about on average 3 months of classes with drills and sparring they have totally transformed their attitude to violence it's no longer shameful or to be feared it's an art. Draws and faints, timing, structure and angle, integrating punching, kicking and throws. Developing a fighters hard and resourceful intent, the worry is not being hurt it's being caught with a lucky shot.
    At that stage you'll find too that you're not interested engaging in conflict with washed up skill less chumps from "the street", you're more into focusing on taking apart an international champion, pretty life changing overall!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭Plastikman_eire


    Everyone experiences fight or flight. How you handle that adrenaline dump is purely psychological.

    There are ways to handle it, the best imo is to get as much live sparring in as possible, get used to getting hit, learn to enjoy hitting back/attacking.

    Visualisation helps too(I wont waffle about visualisation techniques) but you basically "see" yourself in the situation that causes you to experience fight or flight and see yourself calm, and relaxed handling the situation with a favourable outcome for you.

    Personally, just one little trick helped me. I used to hate the feeling of butterflies in your stomach that you get when scared or nervous, until i realised that physiologically it feels the exact same as when you are excited, just keeping that in mind I general go from "****, whats gonna happen here" to "Yes, lets get ****ing stuck in"

    Just


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Niall Keane


    Watch out for what I’d call “ape-sh1t” kung fu, there are those who’ll advise to use your fear and anger and simply lash out. If you do this abandon any hope of fine work neatly done, you’ll have no guard or awareness of holes in your defense or see any targets, no environmental awareness (not know where you are, or walls, or footpaths etc....i.e. tunnel vision) and you’ll look like a tard.
    And remember shouting only scares those who’ve had a comfortable life, i.e. those less likely of being a threat, like wise flailing around. When it counts when you’re not facing handbags or bean curd boxing, when it counts, when in the ring, or if unfortunate enough “on the street” against someone plenty accustomed to violence and intent on dishing it out, then going ape-sh1t will leave you knocked the f out or worse, as even a child could drive a truck through your arms.
    It happened to me twice only competitively, (dumbness gets weeded out pretty quickly on the international sanshou scene) where the opponent gave up and went all out ape-sh1t, both times I knocked the opponent out, once so badly as he was rushing and flailing at me, I simply stepped back from side to side, added a weave, (we call it seven star step) and caught him with a left uppercut which left him gibbering in a seated position on the Lei Tai. He was still gibbering for 10 minutes after being taken off on a stretcher. He recovered in hospital, but I got to say I was worried. Looking back I still see what he did as one of the dumbest moves of all time. The only better example was witnessing a friend of mine Nick Evagorou of Nam Yang dislocate the knee joint of another would-be sanshou fighter, I don’t remember the guys name, he was new and we never saw him again. Basically he too went ape-sh1t with frustration, and tried some Jet Li move with three kicks, Nick caught his leg, twisted and threw, but the dumbass had already begun his next kick, being on ape-sh1t auto pilot he couldn’t help but therefore add to the twist, it was before the days of YouTube, but I can still hear the pop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭corkma


    A lot what geoff thompson writes on this is really interesting. his first step to dealing with it is understand whats happening. it's basically just adrenaline. better to accept it and use rather than trying to avoid it. several aspects of martial arts training, not just sparring, are designed to condition you to act competently and confidently under pressure. personally, i find cross training can help to get you used to nerves. every time i go to train with new ppl or in a new club im nervous. this should be embraced because it takes you out of your comfort zone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 575 ✭✭✭chprt


    drink about 4 litres of vodka n redbull... you wont even fear the bogey man once you have that **** inside you


    paddy

    www.onlinemathsgrinds.ie



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭BridgestoneThai


    drink about 4 litres of vodka n redbull... you wont even fear the bogey man once you have that **** inside you


    paddy


    Philosophers are always the fatmen. Above proves it.:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Zen65


    Any time I've been in a position when me or a friend are being threatened, my heart rate jumps up to the point where I am pretty much having a heart attack, I begin shaking almost uncontrollobly and have no control over the situation, so that if I was attacked I probably wouldn't even be able to raise a hand to defend myself. How can I get over this fear and stay calm?

    [........]

    It happens all the time, no matter who is threatening me, so for example it could be someone smaller than me who I know I could beat in a fight if I stayed calm and relaxed, but nerves just always get the better of me.

    What can I do to overcome these problems?
    [................]

    Any thoughts?

    I must say I'm concerned that anyone could find themselves in this position repeatedly and not question their own lifestyle first, before wondering how to "stay calm" !! Does your problem with being threatened relate in any way to your "gone drinking" moniker?

    Sensei Taji Kase once said in an interview that the best form of self-defense was to "be somewhere else", and this is a very practical philosophy.

    If you still feel the need to settle your nerves, and martial art which involves combat training will help you to stay calm, but only if you train at it seriously for long enough to earn that self-belief which makes the calmness possible.

    Stay safe,

    Z


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭corkma


    Its a little unfair to slate his personal life. just because he socialises doesnt mean he's an alcoholic scumbag. I work in town at night, I see things while sober, some people are stupid and will make trouble and you can't avoid them. You do your best to avoid these situations, but within reason. you shouldnt have to live your life in fear of violence and alter your lifestyle too much to avoid trouble


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Zen65


    corkma wrote: »
    just because he socialises doesnt mean he's an alcoholic scumbag.

    I used neither of these terms. It is fair to question why a person repeatedly finds themselves being threatened, as it's very relevant to the question of how you stay calm. OP appears to be describing situations in which he has not actually been physically attacked, but is repeatedly (by inference) threatened. So, you need to ask "why is this happening?", and if drink is involved (without suggesting alcoholism) it changes the equation because alcohol temporarily changes the body chemistry, and the body's abilities.

    Learning a MA may help with keeping calm, but using this training in a conflict situation which may be later repeated might be very unhelpful, because next time there will be more violence in the attack.

    So, start with understanding the underlying cause before running off to join a MA club, that's my best advice.
    corkma wrote: »
    you shouldnt have to live your life in fear of violence and alter your lifestyle too much to avoid trouble.

    Training in a MA is altering your lifestyle. It's a twice-weekly trip to a dojo/dojang/gym for a couple of hours with lots of physical exertion. If this is the advice we give to OP then we're just being prescriptive on how he should alter his life, and I question the wisdom of us selecting one lifestyle change over another, simply because it is a lifestyle we enjoy. I know lots of people who drink, who socialise, who don't train in any MA, and who still don't find themselves being in fear of an attack (beyond a healthy norm) because they have other ways of managing their own safety.


    Stay safe,

    Z.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭deegs


    What can I do to overcome these problems?
    Train harder and more frequent. Simple ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭corkma


    nice attidude deegs. really think it's the best solution


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