[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

ziedth · 24-05-2010 04:42PM

Dr Sinnott wrote: »

Penny and Desmond were both there so that doesn't make sense. Maybe could apply to Desmond but Penny was never even on the island.

Who would have thought that Desmond's line from season two to Jack at the stadium in LA "see you in another life brother" would come to pass!

She was his long love though so prob just "passed" with Desmond. Nobody loved poor frank

joe123 · 24-05-2010 04:44PM

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Mr E wrote: »

Not sure if its been said in this thread already, but the fact that Christian Shepherd (double meaning in the name) was the one to lead everyone into the light was poetic....

Just goes to show that they really did have an endgame in mind from the very first episode.

Dont agree with this at all. The whole ending was based on the flash sideways and that it was actually purgatory.

They only introduced the flash sideways THIS SEASON! The show was always about the mystery of the island. Thats what got people interested from day one yet the whole focus was about the flash sideways.

They made that the most important thing when it should of been about the island.

prinz · 24-05-2010 04:46PM

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campo wrote: »

Not putting down anyone who has watched it but I say a lot of people were disapointed with the ending

Some people were always going to be disappointed. In fairness a look at the poll results would clear that up for you, 80% of voters giving it 5/10 or more. Not bad I'd say.

RolandIRL · 24-05-2010 04:47PM

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donfers wrote: »

1. I know time is not an issue in the afterlife but my question is what was jack doing/where was jack for the 800 or so years between his death and hurleys

2. Did the bomb at end of season 5 cause the purgatory universe?

3. Why in first shot of episode 1 is Jack in the bamboo about 200 metres from the plane wreck and why does he die in the same place? Is it possible entering the light means the most intense meaningful period of his life (on the island) will be played in a kind of infinite loop?

4. But he could have found redemption, acceptance and hooked up with Grainne in Mayo...island had no effect on the key point of the show which is Jack finding meaning somewhere, then going to purgatory, then letting go and accepting death (all this could have happened anywhere so why all the meanderings and tangents and convoluted twists and plotlines on the island = I suspect it was all filler to fill six seasons but was the giantest red herring you'll ever see, interesting but meaningless in the overall context of the show)

1. time has no meaning so 800 years could be a blink of an eye to Jack. It's all relative
2. it's what i'm thinking but it didn't cause it, just gave them an idea for the purgatory reality. (read my earlier posts)
3. someone said poetic license. gives a nice ending to it. everything ends where it began - happens in Stephen King books a good bit.
4. Island? jacob brought them there as candidates to see who would protect it after him. let's face it. would you have watched Lost if it was set in Ballyremote in Mayo?

jimmy5bellys · 24-05-2010 04:48PM

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So a thought just occured to me. In the flashsideways/afterlife timeline, why was Eloise Hawking trying to stop Desmonde from bringing everyone together?

It's just not sitting right with me. Espeacially since it was a place that they as a collective made to meet up. Also if memory serves me correctly she in the Original Timeline she help people get back to the island. Why did she change her tune? I know as such the timelines don't necessarily need to match up, but certainly Ben and Hurley had the same attitude across both timelines.

podgemonster · 24-05-2010 04:48PM

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cork*girl wrote: »

For someone who stopped watching it in season 3, could someone explain the ending? why are they there? what is the island? why was the polar bear there in season one? or is that possibe to explain :L

www.lostpedia.com

Foxtrol · 24-05-2010 04:51PM

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Royale with Cheese wrote: »

They've rendered most of what happened in the show for the past 5 years pointless by making the focus of the series finale something that has only been introduced to the show 5 months ago. Looks like they're getting away with it too.

But they haven't. Its been said before but I'll say it again, Lost is about the Losties journey not the history of the island. A lot of books you could probably pick up and read the last few chapters (the last 5 months in Lost terms) and probably understand the ending. Does that make the prior 900 pages of the book (previous 5 series of Lost) any less important?

The last series and the flash sideways were the ending of their story arcs that we've watched for the past 6 years and how the characters we'd grown to love have found peace.

Keano · 24-05-2010 04:51PM

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Catsmokinpot wrote: »

Was a good ending, i suppose :sigh:,

No Mr. Eko?

Here's why no Eko.

GAAman · 24-05-2010 04:53PM

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campo wrote: »

Ok I have never watched an episode of lost I had to have a look in this thread just to see what the ending was and I most say after reading a lot of the comments I am glad I never saw an episode of Lost.
Not putting down anyone who has watched it but I say a lot of people were disapointed with the ending

Without wanting to sound condescending i got the ending, a good load of people here got the ending but conversely there were a good load who didnt, they either didnt see what was right in front of them or misinterpreted what they saw which leaves a sense of disappointment.

I wouldnt be surprised as we have seen it already with some posters who didnt like it at first but as time went on or they watched it again as more people rewatch the finale they get what it said

Keano A Legend wrote: »

Here's why no Eko.

FIVE TIMES??!! cheeky bast*rd!!!

Basq · 24-05-2010 04:54PM

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Keano A Legend wrote: »

Here's why no Eko.

According to ABC and Lost insiders, Adewale was offered a hearty sum to do one scene in the last hurrah, but the actor wanted five times the amount that was offered. It didn't work out.

Wha..?! :eek:

prinz · 24-05-2010 04:56PM

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jimmy5bellys wrote: »

So a thought just occured to me. In the flashsideways/afterlife timeline, why was Eloise Hawking trying to stop Desmonde from bringing everyone together?

She didn't want Des to take Daniel, Penny or perhaps even Charles into the light. She was only interested in having her perfect world, even if it wasn't real.

jimmy5bellys wrote: »

Also if memory serves me correctly she in the Original Timeline she help people get back to the island. Why did she change her tune? I know as such the timelines don't necessarily need to match up, but certainly Ben and Hurley had the same attitude across both timelines.

She did help them get back. Need to watch it again to see if there's any clearer hints towards her motives now but I reckon with all her talk of the universe course correcting etc she knew they had to go back to save the island and stop smokie.

GAAman · 24-05-2010 04:57PM

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basquille wrote: »

Wha..?! :eek:

Although havin said that this was from the comments section under the story dont know how legit it is though

There's always more to the story. Apparently Eko wanted off the show almost before the ink was dry on the contract. He wanted to play a more spiritual character (he's a Buddist). Lindelof and cuse promsied to explore that, but immediately tried to "recreate" his Oz character.

He waited it out in hopes it would just be in flashback....but his character didn't move in the direction he wanted. Then his parents died. Not in TV cinema style like Jack and crew died. DIED!. Real life, folks. He used that as an excuse to bail. Askign for 5 times the amount offered is simply a polite way of saying, "Not only no, but **** no" so oyu don't have to explain why you wouldn't "show up" for the "and they all died happiliy ever after" scene.

donfers · 24-05-2010 04:58PM

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I still need clarification on some issues

1. why did we only learn about the purgatory universe this season and how did that purgatory universe originate and what effect did the bomb have last season, if any, other than killing off juliette?

2. Is anyone buying the infinite loop theory i.e. the reason jack is in the bamboo like that at start and end is not just some nice poetic license but it relates to him entering the light and being "reborn", and returning to live out the most meaningfyl days of his life again and again and again...the light after all is life, death and rebirth

3. why didn't jack let desmond put the plug back in...he just said "you've done enough"...well if you think about it rationally desmond is the only one resistant to that level of electromagnetic forces so it would make more sense for him to do it...also how did jack just miracalously appear in the lake as the cave light place disappeared....and what is the significance of having vincent beside him at his death?

RolandIRL · 24-05-2010 05:02PM

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donfers wrote: »

th

3. why didn't jack let desmond put the plug back in...he just said "you've done enough"...well if you think about it rationally desmond is the only one resistant to that level of electromagnetic forces so it would make more sense for him to do it...also how did jack just miracalously appear in the lake as the cave light place disappeared....and what is the significance of having vincent beside him at his death?

Vincent was in the pilot episode, coming over to Jack. it's a kind of cyclic thing the writers have going on (like Stephen King)
desmond was also weak after unplugging the island. Jack also felt that it was his purpose to "reset" the island and stop the island disintegrating, it's why he came to the island.

a lot of these questions are being repeated! people, can ye just not read through the thread? (yes all 30-something pages)

GAAman · 24-05-2010 05:02PM

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donfers wrote: »

I still need clarification on some issues

1. why did we only learn about the purgatory universe this season and how did that purgatory universe originate and what effect did the bomb have last season, if any, other than killing off juliette?

2. Is anyone buying the infinite loop theory i.e. the reason jack is in the bamboo like that at start and end is not just some nice poetic license but it relates to him entering the light and being "reborn", and returning to live out the most meaningfyl days of his life again and again and again...the light after all is life, death and rebirth

3. why didn't jack let desmond put the plug back in...he just said "you've done enough"...well if you think about it rationally desmond is the only one resistant to that level of electromagnetic forces so it would make more sense for him to do it...also how did jack just miracalously appear in the lake as the cave light place disappeared....and what is the significance of having vincent beside him at his death?

1 Because the purgatory universe only came about this season from the nuke onwards

2 Not personally due to the scene in the church

3 Desmond had done enough it was jacks job as he was jacobs replacement, he might have reappeared as he was changed due to taking jacobs role, plus he knew he wasnt long left from the stab wound from flocke whereas desmond could and did survive, vincent being there was just a lump in the throat thing for me, jack didnt die alone

plus vincent was there in an identical scene in the beginning maybe the writers put that scene there to make us question if it was a loop

donfers · 24-05-2010 05:11PM

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so the consensus is that the bomb caused the purgatory universe to come into being?

RolandIRL · 24-05-2010 05:13PM

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donfers wrote: »

so the consensus is that the bomb caused the purgatory universe to come into being?

no, purgatory happened waaay after the bomb, but i believe that the idea for the purgatory (circumstances etc) came from "what if" the bomb went off and they lived their lives without the island.

donfers · 24-05-2010 05:16PM

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whiteman19 wrote: »

no, purgatory happened waaay after the bomb, but i believe that the idea for the purgatory (circumstances etc) came from "what if" the bomb went off and they lived their lives without the island.

did hurley create the purgatory during his long days as island king and are there hints alluding to this?

Stuxnet · 24-05-2010 05:17PM

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how did keamey get shot and die in purgatory, if he was already dead ?

RolandIRL · 24-05-2010 05:18PM

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donfers wrote: »

did hurley create the purgatory during his long days as island king and are there hints alluding to this?

the losties created purgatory as a way of finding each other and moving on into the light together as the time they spent with each other was the most important of their lives - see Christian's speech at the end. it helps to go over it a second time

prinz · 24-05-2010 05:19PM

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BOBBY wrote: »

how did keamey get shot and die in purgatory, if he was already dead ?

It...wasn't.....real....

ziggy · 24-05-2010 05:22PM

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podgemonster · 24-05-2010 05:22PM

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BOBBY wrote: »

how did keamey get shot and die in purgatory, if he was already dead ?

Keamy brought everyone together, bringing Sun and Jin to hospital and Sayid to the police department.

He also got he just deserts in the meantime, either this was his hell, or he was merely a tool in this false place where they were. Perhaps it was just a representation of him.

He was one of the few characters that was truly villianous and showed no remorse. Mikhail too, and he was killed too.

donfers · 24-05-2010 05:23PM

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whiteman19 wrote: »

the losties created purgatory as a way of finding each other and moving on into the light together as the time they spent with each other was the most important of their lives - see Christian's speech at the end. it helps to go over it a second time

how did they create it? I mean if you die, you die...i can't imagine in the 50 years most of them had left to live they could have created it so IT MUST HAVE BEEN HURLEY AND BEN AND DESMOND WHO CREATED IT

ixoy · 24-05-2010 05:23PM

prinz wrote: »

It...wasn't.....real....

We know the island wasn't real but what about the alternate timeline? How does that fit into Vincent's plan for world domination (notice how he sits down to gloat and stare as Jack lies dying).

jimbling · 24-05-2010 05:25PM

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Right. Just watched it. Just glance over most of this thread.
Really shouldn't be doing this as I have tons of work to do....but just can't resist...especially with the ending, knew there would be controversy.

First point:
I am very surprised by the reaction here. Very very surprised. Going on the last few weeks on this forum I thought this ending was going to be absolutely slated...instead, majority of people seem pretty happy with it. I'm glad.

Second point: (and most important)
A few people have said that it was stupid to have the finale focusing on something that wasn't even in the first 5 seasons of lost.... meaning the FST or Purgatory.
Well, you're wrong. The finale was completely focused on something that has been in the series since the very beginning. The Characters.

To the episode:

Off-Island:
I though it was very good. I did find it emotional.... more emotional than I thought I would. It is The End.
The connections between everyone were done very well for the most part.

I'm still stewing on how they ended it. Think it will take a while to settle in.
My confusion was building throughout the episode. The constant repetition of "we're leaving" etc was getting me worried. Leaving where? I couldn't grasp it... didn't make sense in the realm of the FST...especially with what was happening on island.

When Jack opened the coffin in the rear of the church, and it was empty, I knew. I just knew they were dead. As he lowered the coffin I knew Christian would be there (thought that was good btw, as someone else said, fitting that he lead them into the light).
I got this horrible feeling in my stomach as he was talking. And honestly, I heard the bit about some dying before/some after......but I think it just went straight in / straight out of my head.... probably because I was seeing red. They fcked us :mad:

It wasn't until I remembered Hurly and Bens conversation that it clicked with me and I watched the Christian scene again. Thank FCK for that :rolleyes:

It was a pretty beautiful send off for all the characters we've become attached to over the years.

So, off-island.... pretty damn epic stuff.

On-Island:
I thought this was a bit of a let down. Great scenes and Jacks death in the end was done very well. But I felt they could have done better with the actual action. Felt let down at the way MiB met his maker....

I wasn't expecting answers. I had already accepted the answers they had given to us about the Island. I had guessed that Jacob didnt really know/understand what the Island/Light was.... but had undying faith in it (as us the viewers are supposed to have). We'll never really know would the world have ended if the Island had sunk. Or would Smokey really have been able to get off the island and reek havoc. All that is cool with me.

But I did have one major issue.

Jack seemingly not having any new knowledge/ability. No real change at all, accept for having further conviction in his "Hey, it'll all work out" methodology.

I was sure Jack was going to give us something this week. Some form of a greater understanding. But everything he did in the episode was still Jacobs work.
Jacob told me to go to the light.
Jacob wouldn't have brought Desmond only for him to destroy the island.
etc
I had hoped Jack would be much more Jacobesque in the episode.

Also, the passing of the buck on to Hurley. Why didn't he need to say the prayer? Also, Hurley obviously did not feel any different either.... he went so far as to say is that it!!!
It was as if that whole process was just symbolic or something.

Dunno, bit miffed about that, but it's small potatoes really, and there's plenty time to discuss this stuff.

For now, it was a great send off. Will have to watch again tomorrow.

24-05-2010 05:26PM

donfers wrote: »

1. I know time is not an issue in the afterlife but my question is what was jack doing/where was jack for the 800 or so years between his death and hurleys

Really?

Time is relative. To quote a great piece of time travel science fiction, you're not thinking 4th dimensionally.

Let's put it in more straightforward terms.

Point A is a fixed, non-progressive point in time. Points B and C exist on a linear timeline. Jack is at Point B and Hurley at Point C. When anyone moves from points B or C or any point on the timeline they instantaneously arrive at the same point in time in A. So if you leave the timeline now and I leave next year from our relative perspectives we both arrive at the exact same time.

RolandIRL · 24-05-2010 05:27PM

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donfers wrote: »

how did they create it? I mean if you die, you die...i can't imagine in the 50 years most of them had left to live they could have created it so IT MUST HAVE BEEN HURLEY AND BEN AND DESMOND WHO CREATED IT

they created it together - look at Christian's speech ffs!
and time has no meaning in purgatory - they all came together at the same time.

/end discussion

READING SENTENCES IN CAPS IS ANNOYING BTW :P

Mr. K · 24-05-2010 05:29PM

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Quite happy with that ending. I'm glad to see that most people are being positive about it here, I was half expecting another "Across the Sea" style backlash!

Sonovagun · 24-05-2010 05:31PM

Why did Kate change outfits? She wasn't wearing her little black dress in the church! For this reason i gave it a 1/10

[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]