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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • #392
    prinz
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    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    Wasnt Nadia supposed to be the love of Sayid's life. Why did he end up with Shannon?

    Even in the waiting room it wouldve been a bit awkward with the brother hanging about ;)


  • #393
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Jimdagym wrote: »
    2 questions. If they were all meeting up when they were finally ready to move on, why was jack central. The church was like his funeral almost. Others died later but he had the big entrance, the front seat etc. And also why was everyone represented at the age they were when jack died, even though some died much much later?

    thats four questions :D
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  • #394
    RolandIRL
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    prinz wrote: »
    Even in the waiting room it wouldve been a bit awkward with the brother hanging about ;)
    the brother was only banging nadia in flash-purgatory


  • #395
    Keano
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    Jimdagym wrote: »
    2 questions. If they were all meeting up when they were finally ready to move on, why was jack central. The church was like his funeral almost. Others died later but he had the big entrance, the front seat etc. And also why was everyone represented at the age they were when jack died, even though some died much much later?
    All the others had accepted that it was time to move on - Jack was the last.


  • #396
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    tbh wrote: »
    it's four sentences, but only two questions ;)
    Was implying he had posted two identical posts so four questions when you add them up ;)


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  • #397
    tbh
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    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    Was implying he had posted two identical posts so four questions when you add them up ;)

    aye, my bad.


  • #398
    johnny_ultimate
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    Jimdagym wrote: »
    2 questions. If they were all meeting up when they were finally ready to move on, why was jack central. The church was like his funeral almost. Others died later but he had the big entrance, the front seat etc. And also why was everyone represented at the age they were when jack died, even though some died much much later?

    Every character was central, but since Jack was effectively our primary protagonist for the series, it was just easily explained through his perspective. Christian was an effective guide for this big explanation, so again makes sense for Jack to be on the receiving end.

    Again, it's not just because everyone was the same age when Jack died. Remember, barring all those on the plane, most of the other characters last saw each other - through death or separation - on the island. It makes sense that they'd all take the form familiar to others. How would Juliet recognise an old Sawyer, or Jack an old Kate?

    This 'purgatory' exists outside time really, as has been pointed out many times we have no idea when everyone died - Hurley could've lived for centuries, millenia even. It just brings back the central theme of reflection - the purgatory existed to really inform everyone how much the island experience meant to them, and achieving that moment of revelation - the series flashback - was the core reason for these characters accepting their new situation and deciding to move onto happier things. After all, were any of the characters truly happy in purgatory?

    Alternatively: having all the characters in aged make up would have been silly and spoiled the twist. Whichever really.


  • #399
    prinz
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    whiteman19 wrote: »
    the brother was only banging nadia in flash-purgatory

    *head short circuits*:pac:

    Er maybe that shows Sayid that subconciously he didn't want Nadia.


  • #400
    seadnamac
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    OK, this is what I thought immadiately after watching it;

    The FST was Heaven. The island timeline was Purgatory.

    They all died when they crashed on the island. Everyone else on the island (the Others etc.) were people that had died sometime in the past and were now in purgatory also.

    Everyone had to serve out there time on the island until they were ready, at different times, to be accepted into heaven. Hence Christian saying that some came before Jack and some came after him.

    While in heaven, they got to live out their lives the way they were meant to/wanted to. Then, once all reunited, settled in to an eternity of bliss with their loved ones/soul mates (Sayid & Shannon, Jack & Kate, Desmond & Penny, Saywer & Juliette etc). The others who weren't in the church are still living out their lives, having not being reunited with their soulmate yet, whomever they may be.

    I'm sure there are holes that will be pointed out in this but show me theory that doesn't.

    This all sits alot better with me, than the theory that the FST was purgatory, for one simple reason. The FST was only in season 6.

    If the big reveal in the very last episode of Lost was exclusively only concerned with a concept that was introduced in the final season then I feel very, very cheated.

    This would mean the writers planned this final season deciding that all the mysterious that have gone before, all the concepts that got us hooked on this show in the first place, would be ignored. The numbers, the rules (the f*cking rules!), the Dharma initiative, the time travel, Eliose Hawking, Charles Widmore, Widmore .VS. Ben, the f*cking island itself, etc. etc. etc.

    They couldn't answer any of it so they decided to blindside us, introduce some other mystery (and a f*cking boring one at that) in the final series and provide an answer to that, hoping that we would forget about everything else. They can f*ck off.

    If the FST was purgatory and the island timeline was real, then we know nothing. Nothing.

    If the FST was heaven and the island timeline was purgatory, then at least we know what the last six series were.

    I know which one I'd prefer it to be, but I don't know which one it actually is.


  • #401
    Mr E
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    Bulktohulk wrote: »
    -The whispers were dead people trapped on the island
    -The numbers were jacob's candidates
    -The button was to contain the electromagnetic force after the incident ocured
    -The others were those over the years who had landed on the island(they weren't candidates but could have arrived with a candidate,just down to bad luck)
    -The 'ghosts' were jacob and MIB
    -The dharma initiative was researching the electromagnetic properties of the island
    -Aaron wasn't special, the psychic dude was a fraud
    -Desmond crashed 815, Jacob made sure his candidates were on the plane

    Well done.... great post.


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  • #402
    astrofool
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    Nadia wasn't Sayid's love, in the FST, Nadia is with his brother, not him.

    Kate half redeemed herself by shooting MIB instead of say, getting captured by the polar bear. Had she also stuck a knife into his head, instead of assuming that the creature who couldn't be killed was now dead, she would have fully redemmed herself.

    I'd guess the big entrance was for Jack as he was the last to realise, but also the one who drove them on and became their leader, eventually sacrificing himself for the Island.

    It would have been cool to see white smoke come out of the cave.

    The island being sunk in the FST with all the dharmaville stuff from the S6 opening doesn't seem to make much sense any more.


  • #403
    JDee
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    Average-Ro wrote: »
    Didn't notice Kate having to bypass and underwear when Claire was giving birth, which means Claire didn't wear any.....



































    .......nice.


    :D


  • #404
    prinz
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    astrofool wrote: »
    The island being sunk in the FST with all the dharmaville stuff from the S6 opening doesn't seem to make much sense any more.

    In the FST there was no island. They tried to hint at that IMO. UNfortunately had they shown an empty seascape not many would've had a clue what they were trying to say.


  • #405
    Keano
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    Well they didn't die when the plane crashed.


  • #406
    Dymo
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    astrofool wrote: »

    The island being sunk in the FST with all the dharmaville stuff from the S6 opening doesn't seem to make much sense any more.

    But that scene could be hundreds of years in the future and after Hurley and Ben died.


  • #407
    Skerries
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    i was just saying to my mate yesterday wouldn't it be funny if we got to see the conclusion of 2 big shows ending on the same weekend with them all being dead after watching the final episode of Ashes to Ashes
    I'm not laughing now :rolleyes:
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  • #408
    dogbert27
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    Haven't seen the last 2 series of Lost and I haven't seen the final episode but reading everyone's opinion and also reading the blog from the LA Times something jumped out at me:

    The writers are big fans of Stephen King

    With everything that has gone on in the world of Lost and now knowing the ending the story reminds me of King's The Dark Tower series.
    In the Dark Tower the antagonist for most of the series is the Man In Black. It also has alternative universes that the main characters travel back and forward to. Like Lost beginning and ending with Jack on the beach the Dark Tower begins and ends with the main character beginning and ending walking across a desert.

    And just like Lost you're left feeling at the end of the Dark Tower whether the main character is in purgatory or not?


  • #409
    RolandIRL
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    astrofool wrote: »
    The island being sunk in the FST with all the dharmaville stuff from the S6 opening doesn't seem to make much sense any more.
    christian said that they created the purgatory to find each other and help each other move on. maybe they created the FST to see what would have happened if the island never existed or the island was blown up by the nuclear bomb faraday planned


  • #410
    RolandIRL
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    dogbert27 wrote: »
    Haven't seen the last 2 series of Lost and I haven't seen the final episode but reading everyone's opinion and also reading the blog from the LA Times something jumped out at me:

    The writers are big fans of Stephen King

    With everything that has gone on in the world of Lost and now knowing the ending the story reminds me of King's The Dark Tower series.
    In the Dark Tower the antagonist for most of the series is the Man In Black. It also has alternative universes that the main characters travel back and forward to. Like Lost beginning and ending with Jack on the beach the Dark Tower begins and ends with the main character beginning and ending walking across a desert.

    And just like Lost you're left feeling at the end of the Dark Tower whether the main character is in purgatory or not?
    i found the ending to be very like the dark tower, but you should put spoiler tags on the DT bit. not everyone's read the DT and you may just have ruined the ending!!


  • #411
    trishw78
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    It appears Lost is the 'St. Elsewhere' of our generation. I'll be watching this again tonight


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  • #412
    Skerries
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    i would have said more like Twin Peaks
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  • #413
    koHd
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    It was an ending that was predicted. But there was so many fan predictions, one was bound to be right.

    It wasn't an amazing ending. But it was good all the same.

    It does make you want to watch it from the very beginning again.


  • #414
    RolandIRL
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    koHd wrote: »
    It does make you want to watch it from the very beginning again.
    that's what i'm going to be spending my summer at. :D
    rewatching the entire series of Lost. i've got no summer job...what's a guy to do :D


  • #415
    Axwell
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    DamoElDiablo wrote: »
    I always thought it looked like Locke, (With hair) which would point to MIB again...
    jacob.jpg

    Reading through the thread bit by bit so maybe someone pointed this out already but actually the guy they used in the shot was the props guy on Lost as they hadnt actually hired anyone to be Jacob at the time.


  • #416
    JDee
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    basquille wrote: »

    PS - I did find it odd that Carlton said in the 'Times Talk LIVE' interview (superb viewing if you haven't seen it - an hour and 50 minutes long) that we'd see Walt. But we didn't..!

    I think the 2 of them are compulsive liars tbh, Carlton in particular is off his rocker.

    But with a finale that great we'll, as usual, ignore their misgivings :)


  • #417
    ixoy
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    I guess the show often looked at science vs. faith. Science does seek to question and understand, but in the end - as Jack said - faith (which Locke represented) won out.
    It's a little bit of a cheeky way to get out of explaining what's gone before but you can't really argue that it's not consistent with the spirit of the show.


  • #418
    JDee
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    BOBBY wrote: »
    ive been a huge fan over the years, but i feel totally robbed by this, **** writing, **** acting and **** cgi, terrible ending to a great show,

    maybe i need to re-watch or go read some in depth analysis and catch what went over my head, i'm gutted

    Or maybe you need to give up watching television.


  • #419
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    I watched the finale this morning and I laughed after it - purely because I knew lots of people would be freaking out about the ending. I did feel a bit cheated too, but I've had more time to think about it and it was an amazing ending. I ****ing loved it so much. Lots of scenes nearly had me in tears, especially Hurley and Jack.. when Hurley was saying "You're not supposed to die!". Brilliant acting.

    I gave up on wanting answers early into this season and I'm so glad I did. I can understand why so many people are pissed off, but this was art; pure and simple. People view art differently, we are all raised differently, have different goals, relationships, et al.

    I for one cannot wait for the dvd/blu ray box set. I'm going to wait until that comes out to watch it again.

    10/10 - brilliant...thank you so much for the last 6 years. I'm so sad it's over. :(


  • #420
    kingcurls
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    I have finally come to the conclusion that I'm happy with the finale it all tied up nicely it was important that we got a resolution to the unhappy endings of some of these characters such as Jin and Sun, Claire and Charlie etc. It was still tragic knowing that they only got this resolution in the afterlife but it was still there for the characters and more importantly us the viewers.

    The little questions and mysteries are exactly that, mysteries and I'm happy to leave them as that allowing fans to develop their own theories.

    My favorite themes/stories/happenings are as follows
    1. Hurley (the only truely good pure character and often the voice of the audience) becoming the "new Jacob" and possibly going on to run the island for the betterment of the world
    2. Jack finally resolving his struggle with being on the Island and realising he has a part to play and dying as the plane passes over, he dies happy knowing he has allowed the others to leave and continue their lives, also his afterlife reconciliation with his father (long awaited)

    Those two were they keys to the episode for me and were fitting ends for the characters

    However there were several things that still hang over me about this episode maybe some of you have theories or noticed more than I did.
    1. Desmond appears to be trapped now on the Island even though he has a life to return to with penny what does his future hold (although the suggestion that hurley can now change things to allow people to leave the Island may suggest that the boat at the end of the cliff soon had Desmond happily on it sailing back to his life)
    2. Jack surviving the cave and waking up in the jungle near death, how did he survive this? im worried that he had become a different entity like the MIB did after he went tinto the heart of the Island (but the scene of him being happy seeing the plane leaving was enough to convince me he was the same old Jack.
    3. There was a point in the cave where MIB suggested to Jack that he was indeed still John Locke, what was that all about, were they suggesting that Locke was evil and formed some sort of deal with the MIB, it was just a weird scene that didnt fit. (although Lockes presence in the final church scene suggests that he wasnt evil)
    4. The complete absence of Michael and Walt was confusing, where were they in the final scene, if not Michael then at least Walt.
    5. Did the "purgatory" universe begin as the plane lands in LAX or did those back storys actually develop, it seems to me the writers came up with a way to resolve the flash sideways and didnt care how it started. It seems they created the flash sideways without concidering how they would resolve it.

    All in all it was a satisfactory ending but the flash sideways felt a little bit hollow and rushed in how it resolved itself it seemed they were trying to squeeze all the character reunions etc. in to the episode and some of them were not well worked (Sawyer and Juliette, Jack and Kate)

    But thats it its over now and ill have nothing frustrating me until another revolutionary tv show comes along, this episode made me glad I had invested my time and had become involved in the characters as someone who had a fleeting interest in the show would not get much from the finale.

    It just went to show me how much better lost was than any other show I have ever seen on TV and how shallow and cruddy other shows are like desperate housewives and glee....nothing will compare!


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  • #421
    JDee
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    chupacabra wrote: »
    I expect a book to come out eventually giving all us mythology crazy fans more info about the history of the island and the elements involved in the shows mythology.

    Definitely.

    They will also milk the upcoming "complete Lost" DVD in August as having "all questions answered"

    Its just smart business to be honest and you cant blame them


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