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Bullfighting - Yea or Nay?

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  • #92
    irishconvert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    dubtom wrote: »
    Defo Nay for me. I had considered going to one while in Spain a while back purely for the photo's,but it was over €100 a pop. On a side note,I believe,that the meat of the bull is giving free to a local charity, well that was true for the one I'd considered. I just saw this morning the pics of the recent fight where the bull gave the Matador an oral examination,not a pretty sight, but then again,neither is a dead bull being dragged from the arena.

    It's not the dead bull, but the manner in which it dies which is disturbing. You can see videos on youtube which show the full horror.


  • #93
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,788 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    I don't have any problems with man vs beast spectacles as long as it's fair. It should be just the matador and the bull, none of these fellas on horses weakening the bull up first. A fit man against a fit bull in a fight to the death, that's proper entertainment.


  • #94
    Cook!eMonster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Cook!eMonster


    Es muy cruel.


  • #95
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    I think you will find that being pro-choice on the abortion issue doesn't coallate with pro-abortion. There is a world of a difference.

    I support the right to choose to have a bullfight :pac:

    Those who oppose bullfighting, think that it is barbaric and want to be done away with.
    Those who support bullfighting, think that it should remain a possibility for those who choose to hold one.

    Likewise, those who oppose abortion-by-choice, think that it is barbaric and want it to be done away with.
    Those who support abortion-by-choice, think it is acceptable and that it should be open to being a possibility.


  • #96
    lilka
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 47 ✭lilka


    no...pretty sick...reminds me of when I was 8 killing ants (and those weird small completely red spiders) with a magnifying glass...one in a thousand managed to bite me before I sizzled them...but even if they did I just squashed them anyway! --- but I was 8 (maybe 10)


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  • #97
    Lurching
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Lurching


    I went to one in Madrid a number of years ago.

    I saw everything for the initial taunting to the final dismembering and butchering outside the arena.

    Whilst I do agree that it is far from a speedy and painless death to the bull, I have no other problem with it.
    If you don't like it, don't watch it.


  • #98
    saywhatyousee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    i think its funny how 75% people think it ok to kill a unborn baby yet your a savage if u harm a bull wtf like?


  • #99
    1c1a
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭1c1a


    its a nay for me anyway, just not my thing can't see how people could get enjoyment out of seeing these animals suffer.


  • #100
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    saywhatyousee wrote: »
    i think its funny how 75% people think it ok to kill a unborn baby yet your a savage if u harm a bull wtf like?
    No one is saying that at all ffs, why sensationalize things? It's the not the fact that the bull is killed, it's the manner in which it's killed!


  • #101
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    No one is saying that at all ffs, why sensationalize things? It's the not the fact that the bull is killed, it's the manner in which it's killed!

    What's so humane about the manner in the other case?


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  • #102
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Jakkass wrote: »
    I support the right to choose to have a bullfight :pac:

    Those who oppose bullfighting, think that it is barbaric and want to be done away with.
    Those who support bullfighting, think that it should remain a possibility for those who choose to hold one.

    Likewise, those who oppose abortion-by-choice, think that it is barbaric and want it to be done away with.
    Those who support abortion-by-choice, think it is acceptable and that it should be open to being a possibility.

    What is your point exactly?


  • #103
    Skinback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭Skinback


    greetings wrote: »
    No I think it's sick to just kill an animal like that.

    I've been to a bullfight and it's so cowardly.
    They weaken the bull thoroughly before the toreador faces it.Sick.


  • #104
    Skinback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭Skinback


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Do you eat meat?

    What a stupid question !


  • #105
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    starbelgrade: The point is that it is hugely similar to the other discussion. You claim there to be "a world of difference", when the similarities are actually striking.


  • #106
    Skinback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭Skinback


    Lurching wrote: »
    I went to one in Madrid a number of years ago.

    I saw everything for the initial taunting to the final dismembering and butchering outside the arena.

    Whilst I do agree that it is far from a speedy and painless death to the bull, I have no other problem with it.
    If you don't like it, don't watch it.

    Don't just not watch it...ban it, as they have in Catalunya.


  • #107
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Skinback wrote: »
    Don't just not watch it...ban it, as they have in Catalunya.

    It's not banned in Catalunya - the have voted on the proposal to ban it, which was in majority, but the final vote has not been called yet.


  • #108
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    k, ban it like they did in the Canaries is better?


  • #109
    PeakOutput
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    Ruu wrote: »
    If you think beating the shite out of a horse to run around a track and betting on the outcome is sporting then good for you.

    i was just asking a question chillaxe, i honestly didnt know if it was jsut your opinion or if there was a definitonial(???) reason for what you said like say if i said chess isnt a sport, that is a fact cause it dosnt meet the definition of what a sport is

    have you been around much horses? i havnt now again im just asking an honest question so dont get your knickers in a twist

    i really dont believe they beat the ****e out of the horse but if you do thats fine id just like to know why


  • #110
    murraymarmalade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 218 ✭✭murraymarmalade


    been to a bullfight in portugal....they didnt kill the bulls at the event,just placed swords in him.

    would i go again? yip sure would, so its a yay for me.


  • #111
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Tag Bullfighting FTW :D


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  • #112
    hapenny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭hapenny


    i appreciate that its a cultural thing, but stabbing the bull with swords till he bleeds to death is just so overpoweringly cruel.
    if they want the pagentry/atmosphere of an event why can't they just do it in a more mocked up ritualised way? ie run around waving stuff at the bull etc, without actually running him through with swords? animals feel pain too... it would be torturous to watch. so once the bull is being stabbed to death... nay!


  • #113
    thetonynator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭thetonynator


    I pressed its fine by mistake. oops, i actually think its disgusting!!!


  • #114
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,909 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    hapenny wrote: »
    i appreciate that its a cultural thing,

    so is fgm in some parts of the world.

    it's puzzling that some people say they have to watch it live before they can decide wether it's cruel or not. surely there is enough information out there whereby you can form an opinion on the matter one way or the other.


  • #115
    pavcro10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭pavcro10


    Absolutely disagree with it


  • #116
    murraymarmalade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 218 ✭✭murraymarmalade


    thetonynator wrote: »
    I pressed its fine by mistake. oops, i actually think its disgusting!!!
    timmy dooley?


  • #117
    PeakOutput
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    nacho libre wrote: »
    surely there is enough information out there whereby you can form an opinion on the matter one way or the other.

    apparently not as people seem pretty misinformed about it

    the most recent uninformed post is this one
    stabbing the bull with swords till he bleeds to death is just so overpoweringly cruel.

    the bull is stabbed with spears at the start so that it cant raise its head and charge properly but the guys on the horses dont always do their job properly and there are also guys who stand right in front of the bull before it has spears in it with the spears

    then the matador plays with it for a while, the closer he lets the bull get to him the more cheers or whatever he gets

    then when he decides to kill the bull he uses the sword and if he is a good bullfighter this ill take one stabbing of the sword into the back of the neck and death should be instant

    these details may not be exact and im not saying if its right or wrong but its far more accurate then saying they stab the bull with a sword until it bleeds to death


  • #118
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Jakkass wrote: »
    starbelgrade: The point is that it is hugely similar to the other discussion. You claim there to be "a world of difference", when the similarities are actually striking.

    Are you seriously suggesting that the slaughter of a bull is comparable to the termination of a pregnancy? Sure, the reactions of some people may be similar in that they find the thought of either "barbaric" as you put it, but that is where the similarities start & end.

    If you can't see that, you seriously need to take your head out of your ass.

    Skinback wrote: »
    What a stupid question !

    It is far from being a stupid question. Why I would ask anyone who opposes bullfighting if they eat meat, is because they both involve the unnessecary slaughter of an animal for the pleasure of humans.

    If you eat meat & oppose bullfighting, you are a hypocrite, for if you care enough for the lives of animals, you wouldn't eat them. The life of a bull who dies in the ring is a far better one than many animals who are raised for human consumption. The death may be more painful, but the end result is the exact same.
    PeakOutput wrote: »

    these details may not be exact and im not saying if its right or wrong but its far more accurate then saying they stab the bull with a sword until it bleeds to death

    You are definitely more accurate. The Spanish bullfight consists of three stages - two picadores, mounted on horseback, lance the bull's neck muscle & if done correctly, results in the bull's head dropping.

    Then three banderilleros plant sharp barbed sticks into the bull's shoulders. The purpose of this is to anger and invigorate the bull who has been tired by his attacks on the horses and the damage he has taken from the lances.

    The final stage is the faena, performed by the matador. The faena is the entire performance with the muleta and it is usually broken down into tandas, "series", of passes. The faena ends with a final series of passes in which the matador with a muleta attempts to maneuver the bull into a position to stab it between the shoulder blades and through the aorta or heart. The act of thrusting the sword is called an estocada.

    If the matador is on top of his game, he/ she will kill the bull with one attempt, stabbing straight through the bull's heart.

    Sometimes however, if the bull has performed to a level of bravery that impresses the audience, they will call for his life to be spared & the bull is allowed to live & spend his remaining years out to stud.


  • #119
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Are you seriously suggesting that the slaughter of a bull is comparable to the termination of a pregnancy? Sure, the reactions of some people may be similar in that they find the thought of either "barbaric" as you put it, but that is where the similarities start & end.

    Yes, it is comparable, in the sense that death occurs in both cases. Indeed, those opposed to either, do not wish to see it (bullfighting or termination-by-choice) take place. That's where the similarities are striking, almost identical in many respects.

    Therefore Splendour is right to bring up the disparity between both results. There is something amiss, particularly in the valuation between human and animal life.


  • #120
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Yes, it is comparable, in the sense that death occurs in both cases. Indeed, those opposed to either, do not wish to see it (bullfighting or termination-by-choice) take place. That's where the similarities are striking, almost identical in many respects.

    Therefore Splendour is right to bring up the disparity between both results. There is something amiss, particularly in the valuation between human and animal life.

    On what planet does "bull killed by matador" have any similarity to "woman terminates pregnancy"?

    I've heard it all now. I think I need a lie down after trying to get my head around & being completely baffled by the absolute stupidity of the concept.


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  • #121
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,948 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Cowardly. Thats the first word that comes into my head when i think of bullfighting.

    What fight? Its a slaughter.

    Pathetic.


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