British Forget to Attend Famine Memorial

P. Breathnach · 17-05-2010 04:11PM

dlofnep wrote: »

It's historically accurate, according to any historian - that there were sufficient food supplies in Ireland during the famine - and that many food sources were exported to Britain.

1. There was not sufficient food in Ireland during the famine.
2. Food was indeed exported, most of it by Irish people.
3. A greater amount of food was imported.

Drake66 · 17-05-2010 04:13PM

danbohan wrote: »

and of course that makes it alright , englannnnd was just invited, like everywhere else in the world, nothing to do with fact they were murdering plundering bas@''''s.

by not showing up for a ceremony they were invited too shows they have lost none of their arrogance despite loss of empire

When I think of these wicked words:

"The judgement of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson, that calamity must not be too much mitigated. …The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the Famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the people"

I wonder how far such an attitude prevails to this day amongst a certain political class in Westminster.

LordSutch · 17-05-2010 04:13PM

danbohan wrote: »

and of course that makes it alright , englannnnd was just invited, like everywhere else in the world, nothing to do with fact they were murdering plundering bas@''''s.

by not showing up for a ceremony they were invited too shows they have lost none of their arrogance despite loss of empire

Yes indeed :rolleyes: this alas, seems to be the underlying psyche that permeates this seriously flawed thread, which points to the fact that some Irish people still have big hang-ups with their nasty neighbours . . . .

ruthies · 17-05-2010 04:13PM

Winty wrote: »

Great Point pwd

Lets lay of the "brits" for a second what about your Father over in Rome

The churches played an important part in the distribution of government and private relief. Local priests and ministers were widely praised for their role in helping the poor. Some churches also established their own relief committees to raise funds. The two Catholic bishops who were particularly involved were Archbishop Murray of Dublin and Archbishop MacHale of Tuam. Catholic aid continued beyond 1847, when many other forms of private relief had dried up. The amount collected is hard to quantify but it was probably more than £400,000. Most of this was distributed by local priests in the distressed areas. This avoided much of the expense and delay that marked Government relief.
Because of its overseas network, the Irish Catholic church was able to attract money. Some of the largest amounts were raised by the Catholic parishes in Britain and the United States. The Tablet, the leading English Catholic newspaper, offered to act as a channel for English Catholics to send money to Ireland. By March 1847 Bishop Fitzpatrick in Boston had raised almost $20,000, mostly from local Catholics, though it was meant for distribution to all creeds in Ireland. Apart from donations from outside Ireland, priests in Ireland donated money for the famine poor. James Maher, the rector of the Irish College in Rome, sold his horse and gig for this purpose.
That is written fact yes they did!

Drake66 · 17-05-2010 04:15PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

1. There was not sufficient food in Ireland during the famine.
2. Food was indeed exported, most of it by Irish people.
3. A greater amount of food was imported.

Where is your empirical evidence for these facts please? I doubt their authenticity.

Winty · 17-05-2010 04:15PM

ruthies wrote: »

The churches played an important part in the distribution of government and private relief. Local priests and ministers were widely praised for their role in helping the poor. Some churches also established their own relief committees to raise funds. The two Catholic bishops who were particularly involved were Archbishop Murray of Dublin and Archbishop MacHale of Tuam. Catholic aid continued beyond 1847, when many other forms of private relief had dried up. The amount collected is hard to quantify but it was probably more than £400,000. Most of this was distributed by local priests in the distressed areas. This avoided much of the expense and delay that marked Government relief.
Because of its overseas network, the Irish Catholic church was able to attract money. Some of the largest amounts were raised by the Catholic parishes in Britain and the United States. The Tablet, the leading English Catholic newspaper, offered to act as a channel for English Catholics to send money to Ireland. By March 1847 Bishop Fitzpatrick in Boston had raised almost $20,000, mostly from local Catholics, though it was meant for distribution to all creeds in Ireland. Apart from donations from outside Ireland, priests in Ireland donated money for the famine poor. James Maher, the rector of the Irish College in Rome, sold his horse and gig for this purpose.
That is written fact yes they did!

Good answer well done.

Their is still stuff I dont know

Scofflaw · 17-05-2010 04:15PM

Moved to AH - was also tempted by "Long Term Illness".

moderately,
Scofflaw

LordSutch · 17-05-2010 04:20PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

1. There was not sufficient food in Ireland during the famine.
2. Food was indeed exported, most of it by Irish people.
3. A greater amount of food was imported.

Possibly true for all I know, but this picture you paint does not fit with what many Irish people 'wish' to believe, ie;that the Brits killed all the people by deliberately starving them to death, (all one million of them)!

That way we can still hate the Brits. as they say . . .

Trev M · 17-05-2010 04:28PM

Scofflaw wrote: »

Moved to AH - was also tempted by "Long Term Illness".

moderately,
Scofflaw

"Yore ma" is as funny as long term illness

Overheal · 17-05-2010 04:28PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

1. There was not sufficient food in Ireland during the famine.
2. Food was indeed exported, most of it by Irish people.
3. A greater amount of food was imported.

Interesting point. The worth of a pound of beef was probably worth many many pounds of grain.

Fratton Fred · 17-05-2010 04:32PM

Don't forget that Queen Vic only donated £5 and ordered the Turkish Sultan not to send any money, so he sent ships to Drogheda instead, which is why Drogheda has the star and half moon as its crest.

That must be true, I heard the President say it:rolleyes:.

Fratton Fred · 17-05-2010 04:33PM

Poor show by the way. Sounds like a major cock up at the Embassy.

gandalf · 17-05-2010 04:33PM

Fred you do know that you "Brits" should be flogging yourselves daily to make amends for something that happened 270 years ago don't you

danbohan · 17-05-2010 04:36PM

deadtiger wrote: »

Fred you do know that you "Brits" should be flogging yourselves daily to make amends for something that happened 270 years ago don't you

no no no , mass suicide would be better

prinz · 17-05-2010 04:38PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Poor show by the way. Sounds like a major cock up at the Embassy.

Yup. Poor show. Most likely the embassy inquired of the DotT who was going to be attending and reckoned it wasn't going to be a big deal, and it fell through the cracks as far as assigning a third sec or something to attend.

Doesn't sound remotely as cool as some sort of national slight conspiracy though.

ScumLord · 17-05-2010 04:40PM

I too am very disappointed they missed the opportunity to send Prince Philip to this event, it would have been hilarity of epic proportions. He probably would have brought a basket of potatoes as a gift.

Fratton Fred · 17-05-2010 04:40PM

deadtiger wrote: »

Fred you do know that you "Brits" should be flogging yourselves daily to make amends for something that happened 270 years ago don't you

Max Mosley takes on that responsibility for all of us, he seems to enjoy it.

aidan24326 · 17-05-2010 04:40PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

The Taoiseach and President were represented, as were a host of countries and the EU.

Represented my arse. They should really have been there in person.

pwd wrote: »

They were banned from Croke Park until very recently because their army killed 14 civilians there...Perhaps they felt it would be inappropriate to send someone to a memorial for over a million deaths they were largely responsible for.

Get over it. You weren't there and it never affected you. Yes the British treated our people horribly for a long time, but we really need to leave that behind at this stage. It's not like we were the only country they fcuked with in fairness. They have alot to answer for but the men who perpetrated those acts are all dead now, so there's not much point in blaming the present generation for what their ancestors did. We'd all have blood on our hands if you started that crack.

pickarooney · 17-05-2010 04:42PM

deadtiger wrote: »

Fred you do know that you "Brits" should be flogging yourselves daily to make amends for something that happened 270 years ago don't you

Did everybody fail arithmetic or are you all talking about a different famine/potato blight to the one in the 1840s?

gandalf · 17-05-2010 04:42PM

danbohan wrote: »

no no no , mass suicide would be better

you first

gandalf · 17-05-2010 04:45PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Did everybody fail arithmetic or are you all talking about a different famine/potato blight to the one in the 1840s?

Ah the original Famine was 1740-41.

stovelid · 17-05-2010 04:46PM

So many historical atrocities; so little time.

pwd · 17-05-2010 04:47PM

aidan24326 wrote: »

Represented my arse. They should really have been there in person.

Get over it. You weren't there and it never affected you. Yes the British treated our people horribly for a long time, but we really need to leave that behind at this stage. It's not like we were the only country they fcuked with in fairness. They have alot to answer for but the men who perpetrated those acts are all dead now, so there's not much point in blaming the present generation for what their ancestors did. We'd all have blood on our hands if you started that crack.

Where did I say I had an axe to grind?
The thread was asking what people's thoughts were on why they didn't send someone over.
I said maybe they thought it would be inappropriate (unwelcome even), given the ban in Croke Park.
I don't have an issue with Britain or the British, and I never said I did.
I just have an issue with people like you.

brummytom · 17-05-2010 04:53PM

Jesus fúcking wept.

Does it really matter? The ceremony went ahead, was it vital for government representatives to attend?

And yeah, we've had a lot of problems with ash the past few days - most airports were closed at the weekend.

baalthor · 17-05-2010 04:55PM

deadtiger wrote: »

Fred you do know that you "Brits" should be flogging yourselves daily to make amends for something that happened 270 years ago don't you

It's pretty clear it was a commemoration of the 1845 famine which means it took place 165 years ago.

stovelid · 17-05-2010 04:55PM

brummytom wrote: »

Jesus fúcking wept.
Does it really matter? The ceremony went ahead, was it vital for government representatives to attend?

Typical callous Brit. And that Fred Brit fella too.

:pac:

Dionysus · 17-05-2010 05:05PM

blueeyedboy wrote: »

I have always found the English to be a very tolerant nation especially towards us Irish considering certain homeborn terrorist elements took a very nasty terror campaign to the UK in the 1970's.

:rolleyes: There's always one.

gandalf · 17-05-2010 05:06PM

baalthor wrote: »

It's pretty clear it was a commemoration of the 1845 famine which means it took place 165 years ago.

Why aren't we commemorating the 1740 one. That's a clear case of Faminism.

Ash.J.Williams · 17-05-2010 05:10PM

I find it embarrasing sometimes how uptight the Irish have become, "the brits" didn't come to our little famine party.....so what....

what do we expect? The prime minister to go all fr jack and say "sorrrreeeeee,,i'm so sorrreeeeeeee"

get over it lads, we should be moving forward instead of whinging about what the the great great grandparents of England did to us, what's done is done.

El Siglo · 17-05-2010 05:13PM

brummytom wrote: »

Jesus fúcking wept.

Does it really matter? The ceremony went ahead, was it vital for government representatives to attend?

And yeah, we've had a lot of problems with ash the past few days - most airports were closed at the weekend.

Yes. It's just in good taste, send some rep from the embassy a little interview from RTÉ etc... and all's well. If a Nigerian and Chinese rep could attend, our closest neighbours could attend. I don't want to argue about the famine, but diplomacy is diplomacy and the British authorities made a right balls of it.

British Forget to Attend Famine Memorial

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