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British Forget to Attend Famine Memorial

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  • #32
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    blueeyedboy wrote: »
    Have you ever lived in the UK as an Irish person?

    I have always found the English to be a very tolerant nation especially towards us Irish considering certain homeborn terrorist elements took a very nasty terror campaign to the UK in the 1970's .

    Lets hear what the representative or DCM has to say from the British Embassy before we nail them to the cross, fair enough?

    Lets leave the IRA out of this one, it won't end well.

    I would love to hear what their logic for the no-show is, that we agree on.


  • #33
    kravmaga
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Any chance you could have the manners to read the article?

    They were invited.

    Its an issue to me because I have an interest in politics and international affairs, a crazy thought on a politics forum I know.

    If they 'could not be bothered' that is a major diplomatic snub and will be a huge story.

    Well why dont you contact the British Embassy and make a complaint.

    Your just looking for a story to print?;)


  • #34
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    danbohan wrote: »
    no , but reading your coments i would say you are !, perhaps people find it easy to forget that the british directly or indirectly were responsible for the death or emigration of 2 million irish people.

    Yeah thats the Britain of 270 years ago. Are the people who live in the UK today responsible for the Famine then?

    Its time people started to grow up in this bloody country and stop looking into the past for excuses.


  • #35
    Drake66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Drake66


    Ash? What a load of nonsense. They could quite easily of sent a representative from their embassy in Dublin; anybody who could represent the British government in an official capacity actually.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it was a deliberate Tory snub. They were no friends of this country in a historical sense; I can't see why they have changed their tune.


  • #36
    danbohan
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    anymore wrote: »
    I grew up in Ireland in the 60's and 70's - noone in the repuboc gave a rats ass about the famine then.

    wonderful that you can speak for 3.5 million people , how did you know ?did you ask them all ? ,


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  • #37
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    deadtiger wrote: »
    Yeah thats the Britain of 270 years ago. Are the people who live in the UK today responsible for the Famine then?

    Its time people started to grow up in this bloody country and stop looking into the past for excuses.

    Jesus wept.

    Who is making excuses for anything?

    There was an incident yesterday, of a political nature, and its being discussed on a politics forum. If you aren't interested in the discussion, give it a swerve


  • #38
    anymore
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    danbohan wrote: »
    wonderful that you can speak for 3.5 million people , how did you know ?did you ask them all ? ,

    Were you alive then ?


  • #39
    Winty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    danbohan wrote: »
    Would you say the article is one sided
    no , but reading your coments i would say you are !, perhaps people find it easy to forget that the british directly or indirectly were responsible for the death or emigration of 2 million irish people.[/QUOTE]

    History is clear that the British had a direct role in the famine, I would be crazy to disagree. They could have saved an entire nation but its the past so I dont think Its worth going to war over it on Boards.ie


  • #40
    orourkeda
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    blueeyedboy wrote: »
    Have you ever lived in the UK as an Irish person?

    I have always found the English to be a very tolerant nation especially towards us Irish considering certain homeborn terrorist elements took a very nasty terror campaign to the UK in the 1970's .

    Lets hear what the representative or DCM has to say from the British Embassy before we nail them to the cross, fair enough?

    I know this is a case of stating the obvious but it was different at the time. It wasn't a cake walk in Britain for many Irish people in the 1970's and 1980's.

    I know from experience that some (not all) irish people were abused in some shape or form. To be perfectly honest I can understand why this happened and I would probably have had very similar feelings if I was an english person at this time but there were no angels on either side at this time.


  • #41
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Jesus wept.

    Who is making excuses for anything?

    There was an incident yesterday, of a political nature, and its being discussed on a politics forum. If you aren't interested in the discussion, give it a swerve

    You're the one trying to make a mountain out of a molehill mate.

    And if you cannot take people disagreeing with you then you give it a swerve.

    (BTW where is that link to the RTE article you referred to in that other thread?)


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  • #42
    ruthies
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    Winty wrote: »
    History as written by Noraid, British, Irish and United States governments have accused Noraid of being a front for the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA)

    Would you say the article is one sided

    That is just one article of many.
    And one sides opposed to who?
    Maybe we should get British side?


  • #43
    pwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭pwd


    ruthies wrote: »
    If you read up on it,It was very deliberate.
    HOWEVER, MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT, AT THE SAME TIME, IRISH FARMS WERE PRODUCING PLENTY OF OTHER FOODS INCLUDING CORN, WHEAT, BARLEY, AND BEEF. THIS FOOD WAS CARTED AWAY BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT PAST THE STARVING MILLIONS OF MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND THEN TAKEN TO WEALTHY ENGLAND.
    SOME PROTESTANT CHURCH MISSIONS IN ENGLAND SOUGHT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION BY TRYING TO "PROSELYTIZE" THE STARVING CATHOLICS.

    THE STARVING VICTIMS WERE OFFERED FOOD IN RETURN FOR RENOUNCING THEIR CATHOLIC FAITH AND CONVERTING. DURING THE FAMINE THERE WERE MORE THAN 125 MISSIONS IN IRELAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONVERTING CATHOLICS

    http://www.noraid.com/Holocaust.htm
    Protestants also endeavoured to provide a lot of support without any agenda to convert anyone.
    Private initiatives such as The Central Relief Committee of the Society of Friends (Quakers) attempted to fill the gap caused by the end of government relief and eventually the government reinstated the relief works
    But aside from that, the issue people take with the missions makes no sense to me. Was the Roman Catholic church sending aid? I never read anything indicating that they were. Where is the logic in taking issues with Protestant Missions that were providing aid, instead of the Catholic Church, which was not?


  • #44
    anymore
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Jesus wept.

    Who is making excuses for anything?

    There was an incident yesterday, of a political nature, and its being discussed on a politics forum. If you aren't interested in the discussion, give it a swerve

    An incident ?
    A UK rep wasnt there, thats all !
    How many innocent Brits were blown up in the UK by the IRA and the brits didnt send all the Paddies packing or start organising mass 'Aplogy Ceremonies !


  • #45
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    ruthies wrote: »
    If you read up on it,It was very deliberate.
    HOWEVER, MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT, AT THE SAME TIME, IRISH FARMS WERE PRODUCING PLENTY OF OTHER FOODS INCLUDING CORN, WHEAT, BARLEY, AND BEEF. THIS FOOD WAS CARTED AWAY BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT PAST THE STARVING MILLIONS OF MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND THEN TAKEN TO WEALTHY ENGLAND.
    SOME PROTESTANT CHURCH MISSIONS IN ENGLAND SOUGHT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION BY TRYING TO "PROSELYTIZE" THE STARVING CATHOLICS.
    THE STARVING VICTIMS WERE OFFERED FOOD IN RETURN FOR RENOUNCING THEIR CATHOLIC FAITH AND CONVERTING. DURING THE FAMINE THERE WERE MORE THAN 125 MISSIONS IN IRELAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONVERTING CATHOLICS

    http://www.noraid.com/Holocaust.htm
    goverments do not export food its the businesses [the land owners ect] who sold to the highest bidder,the 125 missions are of all different religions and are not run by the british goverment,people in the mid 19th century were not important, 2.5 million also left scotland during the famine.the british goverment of the day treated all its peoples just the same,average life expectancy in poor england was 28 years, 40% of children died before reaching 5 years, untill the famine the irish were better fed and better educated .stop looking for some secret agenda


  • #46
    PeterIanStaker
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

    Anglo Irish reconciliation works both ways, not just us doffing our caps.

    Well said. Unfortunately our media seems to think the opposite, and woe betide you if you disagree with them :rolleyes:


  • #47
    Drake66
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    Winty wrote: »
    no , but reading your coments i would say you are !, perhaps people find it easy to forget that the british directly or indirectly were responsible for the death or emigration of 2 million irish people.

    History is clear that the British had a direct role in the famine, I would be crazy to disagree. They could have saved an entire nation but its the past so I dont think Its worth going to war over it on Boards.ie[/QUOTE]

    Why? It is a commemoration. From the verb "commemorate": i.e to remember.

    Using your logic, everybody should stop commemorating the world wars because they were in the past and they don't matter anymore.


  • #48
    Winty
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    pwd wrote: »
    Was the Roman Catholic church sending aid?

    Great Point pwd

    Lets lay of the "brits" for a second what about your Father over in Rome


  • #49
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    anymore wrote: »
    An incident ?
    A UK rep wasnt there, thats all !
    How many innocent Brits were blown up in the UK by the IRA and the brits didnt send all the Paddies packing or start organising mass 'Aplogy Ceremonies !

    and the mask slips....


  • #50
    orourkeda
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    Drake66 wrote: »
    Ash? What a load of nonsense. They could quite easily of sent a representative from their embassy in Dublin; anybody who could represent the British government in an official capacity actually.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it was a deliberate Tory snub. They were no friends of this country in a historical sense; I can't see why they have changed their tune.

    I'd be amazed if this was totally accurate. This would be narrow minded and irresponsible in the extreme especially from a Government party.

    I understand that Cameron is very much in Favour of maintaining the union and all that ges with it but an acknowledgement is probably all it would have taken.


  • #51
    Winty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    Drake66 wrote: »
    Why? It is a commemoration. From the verb "commemorate": i.e to remember. Using your logic, everybody should stop commemorating the world wars because they were in the past and they don't matter anymore.

    Sorry you missed my point, we should never forget the death and suffering but I will not get all hot about the English


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  • #52
    anymore
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    and the mask slips....

    The point i am making is that this is the kind of trivial nonsense that makes us look so immature - we should be long past this, we should have matured by now !


  • #53
    anymore
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    Drake66 wrote: »
    History is clear that the British had a direct role in the famine, I would be crazy to disagree. They could have saved an entire nation but its the past so I dont think Its worth going to war over it on Boards.ie

    Why? It is a commemoration. From the verb "commemorate": i.e to remember.

    Using your logic, everybody should stop commemorating the world wars because they were in the past and they don't matter anymore.[/QUOTE]

    It is very definitely time to stop the war of empires that was the first World war -


  • #54
    orourkeda
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    Winty wrote: »
    Great Point pwd

    Lets lay of the "brits" for a second what about your Father over in Rome

    This thread is about the British Failure to attend. Nobody mentioned the catholic church until now.


  • #55
    danbohan
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    anymore wrote: »
    An incident ?
    A UK rep wasnt there, thats all !
    How many innocent Brits were blown up in the UK by the IRA and the brits didnt send all the Paddies packing or start organising mass 'Aplogy Ceremonies !

    how many innocent irish killed by brits during 800 years of occupation , ? and we are very very grateful that the ''paddies'' were not sent back , cos then we might have had to sent brits/brit lovers like you back in retaliation.


  • #56
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    anymore wrote: »
    The point i am making is that this is the kind of trivial nonsense that makes us look so immature - we should be long past this, we should have matured by now !

    Past what? Commerating the deaths of millions of Irish people through famine?

    Should the Brits stop commerating their war dead? Jews the holocaust?

    A million deaths and its impact on Irelands demographics and culture is not 'trivial'.


  • #57
    pwd
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    orourkeda wrote: »
    This thread is about the British Failure to attend. Nobody mentioned the catholic church until now.
    They mentioned Protestant Churches though. You need to consider the Roman Catholic Church's response to give that any context.
    ruthies wrote:
    SOME PROTESTANT CHURCH MISSIONS IN ENGLAND SOUGHT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION BY TRYING TO "PROSELYTIZE" THE STARVING CATHOLICS.

    THE STARVING VICTIMS WERE OFFERED FOOD IN RETURN FOR RENOUNCING THEIR CATHOLIC FAITH AND CONVERTING. DURING THE FAMINE THERE WERE MORE THAN 125 MISSIONS IN IRELAND FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONVERTING CATHOLICS


  • #58
    anymore
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    danbohan wrote: »
    how many innocent irish killed by brits during 800 years of occupation , ? and we are very very grateful that the ''paddies'' were not sent back , cos then we might have had to sent brits/brit lovers like you back in retaliation.

    You start doing a lttle reading of irish history and you will find out that the Normans/british were successful in occupation because so many Irish Cheiftains were so willing to sell out their countrymen for English gold ! Just like the Scottish Cheiftains.


  • #59
    anymore
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    OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »
    Past what? Commerating the deaths of millions of Irish people through famine?

    Should the Brits stop commerating their war dead? Jews the holocaust?

    A million deaths and its impact on Irelands demographics and culture is not 'trivial'.

    Commerations of this that and the other have just become a fetish.


  • #60
    danbohan
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    anymore wrote: »
    You start doing a lttle reading of irish history and you will find out that the Normans/british were successful in occupation because so many Irish Cheiftains were so willing to sell out their countrymen for English gold ! Just like the Scottish Cheiftains.


    and of course that makes it alright , englannnnd was just invited, like everywhere else in the world, nothing to do with fact they were murdering plundering bas@''''s.

    by not showing up for a ceremony they were invited too shows they have lost none of their arrogance despite loss of empire


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  • #61
    OhNoYouDidn't
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    anymore wrote: »
    Commerations of this that and the other have just become a fetish.

    So you object to the concept of commeration? Fascinating.


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