whats a 1.4 bora like on petrol?

mink_man · 15-05-2010 02:23PM #1

thinkin of buyin a 00 bora or the likes and wonderin what are they like on petrol?
heavy? light?

Fizman · 15-05-2010 02:27PM

Well I recently sold my '00 Golf that was my first car and I had driven it for just over 3 years. Same engine in it and I used to average about 400 ish miles to a full tank. Sometimes I could get 450+, and other times around 360, obviously depending on conditions and a heavy foot (one thing I almost always had as it's a sluggish engine tbh). Perfect for a normal runner of a car though so if you don't mind not having too much poke, there are worse cars out there.

mink_man · 15-05-2010 02:29PM

thanks fizzman, so your golf was fairly ok on petrol?

statto25 · 15-05-2010 02:30PM

Fizman wrote: »

Well I recently sold my '00 Golf that was my first car and I had driven it for just over 3 years. Same engine in it and I used to average about 400 ish miles to a full tank. Sometimes I could get 450+, and other times around 360, obviously depending on conditions and a heavy foot (one thing I almost always had as it's a sluggish engine tbh). Perfect for a normal runner of a car though so if you don't mind not having too much poke, there are worse cars out there.

The bora's body is way heavier than the golf so the MPG would be a fair bit lower too. The engine is way too underpowered for the weight of the car. I would just go with a golf if your looking down the volkswagen road.

mink_man · 15-05-2010 02:32PM

thanks statto, its either a golf or bora i was lookin at, golfs are pretty dear for 00/01 thought but they do hold their value well...would 400 miles to a tank be good or bad compared to other cars?

Fizman · 15-05-2010 02:38PM

Ya I would have regarded it as being ok on the juice, but Statto does make a valid point regarding the body weight. I travel with work and did a lot of mixed driving. To be honest it gave me very little trouble in the 44k miles I did with her, and in comparison to other petrol car of the same class, it would be in or about the same I reckon, not that I have driven many others at this stage mind!

statto25 · 15-05-2010 02:41PM

Its ok but you wouldnt be going anywhere too fast to get the milage from a tank. The 1.4 engine can have a lot of trouble with engine and gearboxes. If you could stretch I would get a 1.6 petrol or a 1.9tdi golf/bora. They are far more reliable than the 1.4 engine.

mink_man · 15-05-2010 02:52PM

well its my first time gettin insured and im a young male so insurance would be too much for 1.9 especially....any other cars like golfs that you could suggest

Also, how much would 17" rs8 alloys be worth? one of the cars has them.....and its bein sold for 1650, 1998 golf

samsemtex · 15-05-2010 03:02PM

hmmm...not enough boards regulars posting here. I would avoid a 1.4 Golf/bora like the plague. Terrible engine. Not sure about the Bora but that era Golf was a shocker reliability wise so I'd imagine the Bora is not much better. Get the 1.6 if you must get one. I wouldnt touch them though. Terrible car.

mink_man · 15-05-2010 03:04PM

samsemtex wrote: »

hmmm...not enough boards regulars posting here. I would avoid a 1.4 Golf/bora like the plague. Terrible engine. Not sure about the Bora but that era Golf was a shocker reliability wise so I'd imagine the Bora is not much better. Get the 1.6 if you must get one. I wouldnt touch them though. Terrible car.

how come theyre so deer though of they're that bad a car?

tossy · 15-05-2010 03:10PM

statto25 wrote: »

The bora's body is way heavier than the golf

is 50kg's way heavier?

The real point is that 1.4 engine is useless,maybe ok if you want to get a year or so and walk away,but if there is anything near 100k on the clock then walk away.The gearboxes are also another weak point especially with so many being fitted with heavy and crap replica alloys wheels.

The only 1.4 golf/bora i'd consider buying is the stereotypical 'one granny owner used for the commute to mass that has never had big replica wheels fitted.

Zonda999 · 15-05-2010 03:13PM

samsemtex wrote: »

hmmm...not enough boards regulars posting here. I would avoid a 1.4 Golf/bora like the plague. Terrible engine. Not sure about the Bora but that era Golf was a shocker reliability wise so I'd imagine the Bora is not much better. Get the 1.6 if you must get one. I wouldnt touch them though. Terrible car.

Not a terrible car at all to be fair, just a poor engine. Quite a good car really from that era, get a diesel one and theyre fine. E.g, a corolla petrol from that age will have a better, more reliable engine, but in every other way a golf/bora is a nicer car

mink_man · 15-05-2010 03:15PM

Zonda999 wrote: »

Not a terrible car at all to be fair, just a poor engine. Quite a good car really from that era, get a diesel one and theyre fine. E.g, a corolla petrol from that age will have a better, more reliable engine, but in every other way a golf/bora is a nicer car

would a 1.6 diesel have the same insurance as a 1.4 petrol?

mink_man · 15-05-2010 06:11PM

bump

CosmicJay · 15-05-2010 06:19PM

mink_man wrote: »

would a 1.6 diesel have the same insurance as a 1.4 petrol?

1.6tdi's are classes as a 1.2 in petrol money.

1.9tdi's are classed as 1.4's if I remember correctly.

Some of the more powerful ones are classed as 1.6's.

samsemtex · 15-05-2010 06:24PM

mink_man wrote: »

how come theyre so deer though of they're that bad a car?

I have known quite a few people who have had these and the amount of problems they had were shocking. Electrics failing left and right such as the heater, electric windows, mechanical problems. I dont know the exact problems they had as it wasnt my car so i didnt really care. There are lots and lots of reported faults with them.

Just look at the honestjohn page for them

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/volkswagen/golf-iv-1998/?section=bad

Thats longer than any of the pages I have seen on that site. Even Alfa's dont have a list of problems as long as that Golf and people make them out to be the cars from hell. Would you consider a 147 for example? Probably not because of the image they have when in reality a Golf is even worse.

As for why are they so dear? People in this country have this idea in their heads that Volkswagen = quality. Despite the fact that VW have put out some of the least reliable cars on the road in recent times. The last Passat for example was terrible and beset with problems. Worse than any Renault but it still escapes that image. How? I have no idea.

daveharnett · 15-05-2010 06:25PM

mink_man wrote: »

would a 1.6 diesel have the same insurance as a 1.4 petrol?

Costs nothing to ask them. As you have found, the bora is good value compared to the equivalent golf. As others have said though, that engine is fairly poor.

mink_man · 15-05-2010 07:13PM

CosmicJay wrote: »

1.6tdi's are classes as a 1.2 in petrol money.

1.9tdi's are classed as 1.4's if I remember correctly.

Some of the more powerful ones are classed as 1.6's.

tdi? so a 1.6 straight would be less than a 1.4 then? no?

CosmicJay · 15-05-2010 07:30PM

mink_man wrote: »

tdi? so a 1.6 straight would be less than a 1.4 then? no?

Ooops sorry. Whenever I see diesel I just think turbo diesel.

A straight naturally aspirated diesel would be cheap as chips for insurance I would say.

mink_man · 15-05-2010 07:40PM

CosmicJay wrote: »

Ooops sorry. Whenever I see diesel I just think turbo diesel.

A straight naturally aspirated diesel would be cheap as chips for insurance I would say.

not when its being insured by a 19 y/o male with a provisional although im goin doing my full test this summmer!

CosmicJay · 15-05-2010 07:55PM

mink_man wrote: »

not when its being insured by a 19 y/o male with a provisional although im goin doing my full test this summmer!

Ah I see. Its the provisional.

Im hopefully getting a 1.9tdi bora soon and its actually less than a 1.4 petrol. Quinn Direct tpft for only 1800.

Is that 1.6 diesel an old volkswagen by any chance?

mink_man · 15-05-2010 08:06PM

CosmicJay wrote: »

Ah I see. Its the provisional.

Im hopefully getting a 1.9tdi bora soon and its actually less than a 1.4 petrol. Quinn Direct tpft for only 1800.

Is that 1.6 diesel an old volkswagen by any chance?

well i was just talking in general....you can get a 1.6 diesel mk4 golf though?

CosmicJay · 15-05-2010 08:56PM

mink_man wrote: »

well i was just talking in general....you can get a 1.6 diesel mk4 golf though?

No unfortunatly.

Slowest mk4 is the 1.9litre straight diesel SDI.

I mean really really slow. Would be good for insurance I would say.

tossy · 15-05-2010 09:17PM

CosmicJay wrote: »

No unfortunatly.

Slowest mk4 is the 1.9litre straight diesel SDI.

I mean really really slow. Would be good for insurance I would say.

Great Engine will literally go forever and do around 3 thousand miles to a tank, but dangerously slow! takes around 16 secs to hit 100,so lethal for pulling out of junctions,driveways etc.

mink_man · 15-05-2010 09:33PM

tossy wrote: »

Great Engine will literally go forever and do around 3 thousand miles to a tank, but dangerously slow! takes around 16 secs to hit 100,so lethal for pulling out of junctions,driveways etc.

thanks, any idea on insurance for a 19 y/o with provisional or possiblly full licence? would it be rape material??

mink_man · 15-05-2010 09:39PM

oh ya and anyone want to locate a 1.9 diesel mk4 for 2k or less for me? :P

PaulKK · 15-05-2010 09:54PM

CosmicJay wrote: »

1.6tdi's are classes as a 1.2 in petrol money.

1.9tdi's are classed as 1.4's if I remember correctly.

Some of the more powerful ones are classed as 1.6's.

Sorry just have to reply to this.. please don't post if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Firstly, you can't get a 1.6TDI MK4 golf.

Secondly you can't make a general statement like the one above, what do you mean "classed as" anyway?

A 1.9TDI was avaliable in a number of power outputs, 90bhp, 110bhp, 130bhp and 150bhp.

Any 1.9TDI, in my opinion, will feel a lot faster to the average driver than a 1.4/1.6 petrol golf.

mink_man wrote: »

oh ya and anyone want to locate a 1.9 diesel mk4 for 2k or less for me? :P

You won't get a diesel golf with less than 170K miles on it for less than 2k.
They are possibly one of the best cars for holding their value that you can get.

If thats your budget and its your first car, I suggest you don't bother getting a high mileage diesel, get a corolla or something.

tossy · 15-05-2010 09:57PM

PaulKK wrote: »

A 1.9TDI is avaliable in a number of power outputs, 90bhp,100bhp 110bhp,115bhp, 130bhp and 150bhp..

Fixed that for you.

PaulKK · 15-05-2010 10:02PM

tossy wrote: »

Fixed that for you.

I bow to the VAG expert

I'm not driving one anymore so not as much in tune these days.

Theres a 105bhp too though isn't there?

tossy · 15-05-2010 10:35PM

PaulKK wrote: »

I bow to the VAG expert

I'm not driving one anymore so not as much in tune these days.

Theres a 105bhp too though isn't there?

Nope 105bhp was mk5.

mink_man · 15-05-2010 11:59PM

oh and yer man that said 1.9 tdi he says tdi even though he means straight, it was a slip of the finger!

whats a 1.4 bora like on petrol?

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