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The dynamics of 'interracial' pornography

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  • #62
    The_Minister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    Ha ha, another tip is to use the Burn tool ;)

    If the web has taught me anything is that there is litteraly porn to cater for ALL tastes...........I mean AAAAALLLLL tastes! Stuff you couldn't even imagine if you were tripping off your balls on acid. One funny-ass vid I saw was of an asian woman just laying on a couch, doing nothing except lactating and spraying out like a garden sprinkler, in walks a black dude with a 90ft black mamba between his legs! :eek:

    http://xkcd.com/305/

    I'm sure there is Jedward porn out there somewhere.


  • #63
    NothingMan
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    The_Minister wrote: »
    http://xkcd.com/305/

    I'm sure there is Jedward porn out there somewhere.


    Hopefully a snuff movie where they are horribly maimed in the process.



    *I do not actually wish for them to be killed. Just to go away.*


  • #64
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Ah, here we go, go to Google Images and type in black amputee toilet seat

    A tiny bit NSFW, no visible private parts but it explains what I'm on about :pac:


  • #65
    [Deleted User]
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    stovelid wrote: »
    Something I noticed in England was that you have that (often working-class) thing where some white women exclusively go for black guys. Like they're more street/Gangster or something.

    Over here too, usually skanger types / common tramps with black chaps :)
    Also I often reckon that lots of the black chaps would ride anything because some of the yokes they are wit are godzilla with a fanny esque.


  • #66
    Joe Musashi
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 470 ✭✭Joe Musashi


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Why are most men who watch porn white? :confused:

    Black men don't know how to use computers, perhaps?


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  • #67
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    Well, based purely on what Chris Rocks says/implies, a white girlfriend/wife is a bigger status symbol for a black man than a black woman. So you take a mixed bag of races in socio-economically deprived areas (the poor parts of London, New York etc.) and you'll get the reasonably attractive Black men hooking up with the below average looking white women. The white women are interested because the black men are better looking and more charming than her white peers and the black men are interested because she's white.


  • #68
    mikom
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    The_Minister wrote: »
    http://xkcd.com/305/

    I'm sure there is Jedward porn out there somewhere.

    Check under Louis Washes bed...


  • #69
    NothingMan
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    mikom wrote: »
    Check under Louis Washes bed...

    He'd better wash his bed after the sordid things he makes Jedward do for the chance at another single.



    Edit: Hehe, and this is the 69th post in the thread!!!!


  • #70
    Mr Benevolent
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    liah wrote: »
    I know this might sound a bit racist, but perhaps it's simply because a lot of white men aren't attracted to black women unless they're already mixed.

    Look at the black women white men usually do like-- Beyonce, Halle, etc. They're not "black" in the true sense of the word, they've been mixed somewhere along the way. Often, too, will a white guy be attracted to a black woman with light-coloured eyes. White features are valued.

    It's not a racist thing, though. It's entirely subconscious, you can't control who you're attracted to. Each race predominantly finds people of their own race more attractive than people of other races (evolutionary, to propagate ones' own), but of course, there is crossover, like anything else.

    However, I'm not entirely sure why so many black men dig white chicks, or, at least, why that porn is so popular, because it completely contradicts my theory.

    Is this how Canadians think in general or are you the exception?


  • #71
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Confab wrote: »
    Is this how Canadians think in general or are you the exception?

    Sorry?

    People CANNOT help who they're attracted to, it doesn't make them racist if that's what you're trying to take a dig at.

    I don't care if it's not PC to say, I'm trying to understand why there are so many white men attracted to mixed black women, but not fully black women, why there's quite a few white women with black men but not white men with black women, asian girls with white men but not asian men with white women. Are the terms I'm using not PC enough for you? Do I really have to type out "Anglo-African" or "African-American" or whatever the hell applies best here?

    What, exactly, is it about my post you have a problem with?


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  • #72
    Frei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭Frei


    It all comes down to people being ignorant idiots really.
    Look at the black women white men usually do like-- Beyonce, Halle, etc. They're not "black" in the true sense of the word, they've been mixed somewhere along the way.

    You are talking about people, not fecking Durex paint. It's called having parents that are black/white/mixed race. It doesn't just happen somewhere along the way.


  • #73
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Frei wrote: »
    You are talking about people, not fecking Durex paint. It's called having parents that are black/white/mixed race. It doesn't just happen somewhere along the way.

    Oh for god's sake, the PC kids are out in full force today. :rolleyes:

    You know what I mean, why get all bloody pedantic about it? By "somewhere along the way" I mean somewhere in their ancestry. Anyone can figure out what I mean by that sentence. A freaking five year old would understand.

    Like, why can people not just understand things in context anymore and why is everyone so quick to jump on things that 99.9% of people should be able to understand is simply just a manner of speech? Is everyone getting dumber?

    It's like the generalization thing; when someone makes a generalization, everyone KNOWS it's a generalization, and everyone KNOWS that not literally every single person is the same as the generalization, yet they still feel the need to point it out and go absolutely mental about it. It's an insult to people's intelligence to spell things out all the time.

    I should really just stop making the assumption that people aren't completely stupid, I guess, and make sure everything's typed out the way it would be in a textbook.


  • #74
    mikom
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    Frei wrote: »
    You are talking about people, not fecking Durex paint.

    Durex paint?
    Is that what you put your Fleetwood paint into?


  • #75
    Indubitable
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    The_Minister wrote: »
    http://xkcd.com/305/

    I'm sure there is Jedward porn out there somewhere.

    Rule 34


  • #76
    Mr Benevolent
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    liah wrote: »
    What, exactly, is it about my post you have a problem with?

    Probably this bit:
    a lot of white men aren't attracted to black women unless they're already mixed.

    That's one hell of a generalisation. Note I didn't say 'racist generalisation' though.


  • #77
    Frei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭Frei


    Durex? :o
    mixed black women
    Ah yes, the PC argument. I can't highlight your lack of knowledge/general ignorance, because I am being PC. Oops, my bad.

    It is not about political correctness; it's about using uneducated terms. What exactly is a mixed black woman? How black do you have to be to be classed as "fully black"? You call it PC all you like but it is really just highlighting these ignorant terms.

    Also, before exploring why white men don't like 'fully black' women, you should wait until there is actually something solid to base this generalisation on? You're making a generalisation and then holding it up as a fact, it sounds like that when you keep stating that you wonder why white men generally prefer 'mixed black women'?

    I think this man does a good job of explaining what I am trying to get at. (Mr. Pollos from Breaking Bad)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzoipFms0F4


  • #78
    Rented Mule
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    liah wrote: »
    However, I'm not entirely sure why so many black men dig white chicks, or, at least, why that porn is so popular, because it completely contradicts my theory.

    Speaking from a North American point of view, it's almost a reverse of the 'forbidden fruit' syndrome.


  • #79
    Dudess
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    Frei wrote: »
    [/I]It is not about political correctness; it's about using uneducated terms. What exactly is a mixed black woman? How black do you have to be to be classed as "fully black"? You call it PC all you like but it is really just highlighting these ignorant terms.
    Looks like you're looking for offence where there isn't any intended - and I'm regularly accused of being "PC". Beyoncé is mixed race, yet she is also a black woman. "Mixed black" is just short-hand for that - surely you know what is meant by it? Is there any need for the nitpicking? It just serves to further polarise races/reinforce difference.
    Also, before exploring why white men don't like 'fully black' women, you should wait until there is actually something solid to base this generalisation on? You're making a generalisation and then holding it up as a fact, it sounds like that when you keep stating that you wonder why white men generally prefer 'mixed black women'?
    But look at the black women who are celebrated in popular culture for their beauty - the aforementioned Beyoncé and Halle Berry, Thandie Newton, Alicia Keyes, Naomi Campbell, Kerry Washington, pre-crack Whitney Houston, Iman. All extremely beautiful but nearly all mixed race, and those who have the darkest skin still have "white-looking" features. Apparently Halle Berry herself underwent plastic surgery to make her features more "white" as she felt she would be more successful. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's the phenomenon that was being referred to.


  • #80
    liah
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    Confab wrote: »
    Probably this bit:



    That's one hell of a generalisation. Note I didn't say 'racist generalisation' though.
    Frei wrote: »
    Durex? :o

    Ah yes, the PC argument. I can't highlight your lack of knowledge/general ignorance, because I am being PC. Oops, my bad.

    It is not about political correctness; it's about using uneducated terms. What exactly is a mixed black woman? How black do you have to be to be classed as "fully black"? You call it PC all you like but it is really just highlighting these ignorant terms.

    Also, before exploring why white men don't like 'fully black' women, you should wait until there is actually something solid to base this generalisation on? You're making a generalisation and then holding it up as a fact, it sounds like that when you keep stating that you wonder why white men generally prefer 'mixed black women'?

    Are you two serious? Like, really?

    For the first, please see my generalization rant. I know it's a generalization. You know it's a generalization. The cat that left the dead bird on my doorstep knows it's a fúcking generalization. And guess what? We all know generalizations don't apply to each and every individual and are simply representations of a majority. You know what's even better? The majority of white men don't find black women attractive, but DO find mixed women attractive.

    Yes, I'm using outdated terms. So what? Get over it. It doesn't bloody well mean I'm racist, black people call themselves black for fúck's sake. You know what I mean by mixed-- they have lighter skin, lighter eyes, etc., due to caucasian influences in their ancestry. Is that better? Is that PC enough for you?

    You can whinge all you want, but the fact is this: there is a definite, observable difference in the ratio of white men with black women to black men with white women. Oh, sorry, "Anglo-African" or "African-American." Wait, should I say "Hiberno-African," since I'm in Ireland and all? I don't see how pointing this out could possibly be construed as racist. I truly don't.

    You're looking for an argument, pure and simple. I am not racist, I never was, I never will be-- but I don't bullshít and ignore and sidestep observable facts for the sake of keeping the peace, either.

    Get the fúck over yourselves.


  • #81
    Mr Benevolent
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    Moving swiftly along, may I just say that porn is good.


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  • #82
    Frei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭Frei


    Dudess wrote:
    But look at the black women who are celebrated in popular culture for their beauty - the aforementioned Beyoncé and Halle Berry, Thandie Newton, Alicia Keyes, Naomi Campbell, Kerry Washington, pre-crack Whitney Houston, Iman. All extremely beautiful but nearly all mixed race, and those who have the darkest skin still have "white-looking" features. Apparently Halle Berry herself underwent plastic surgery to make her features more "white" as she felt she would be more successful. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's the phenomenon that was being referred to.

    This idea of white features as a beauty ideal is a very real phenomenon in Western and other cultures. But I find there is often a disconnect between these beauty ideals and what the average man wants, similar to the size zero ideal.

    liah wrote: »
    You're looking for an argument, pure and simple. I am not racist, I never was, I never will be-- but I don't bullshít and ignore and sidestep observable facts for the sake of keeping the peace, either.

    Get the fúck over yourselves.


    Nobody stated you were racist. That is a predictable sidestep by you, a whole post defending yourself from being racist, when nobody even said you where. I called out the irrelevant terms you used, you can 'whinge' about nitpicking or the PC brigade all you like, but it has nothing to do with political correctness. Once again, as I said, your generalisations, as you admit, are generalisations. But they are not necessarily true. They don't stand up, in my experience, and in many others' experience. So there really is no need to take is as some accusation of racism.
    there is a definite, observable difference in the ratio of white men with black women to black men with white women.

    There is plenty of discussion on the white woman as a 'trophy' status for the black man. However, when you say "a lot of white men aren't attracted to black women unless they're already mixed.", you are providing your opinion. I put it to you that you are not in a position to say, without providing evidence, what white Irish men think of mixed race/black dating. And I don't care how many generalisations you make, it doesn't mean someone can't call you out on a generalisation based on opinion.


  • #83
    Wibbs
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    Dudess wrote: »
    But look at the black women who are celebrated in popular culture for their beauty - the aforementioned Beyoncé and Halle Berry, Thandie Newton, Alicia Keyes, Naomi Campbell, Kerry Washington, pre-crack Whitney Houston, Iman. All extremely beautiful but nearly all mixed race, and those who have the darkest skin still have "white-looking" features. Apparently Halle Berry herself underwent plastic surgery to make her features more "white" as she felt she would be more successful. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's the phenomenon that was being referred to.
    Plus it also depends what you describe as "black" too. Most people when they hear black are usually picturing people of a west or southern African persuasion. While Iman is a black African woman, born and bred as an east african she has a different look to say a woman from South Africa or West Africa or North Africa. Its a huge bloody continent with a lot of diffs going on. The oldest people on the planet the san Bushmen look different to the black populations around them. They're thinner, lighter skinned and even have epicanthic folds like Asian populations.

    I would agree though that there is a bias in the west(and elsewhere, even before the wests cultural dominance) towards more light skinned peoples. In the US its very strong. It even goes back to the time of slavery and difference between the field n*gger and house n*gger. Bloody ridic TBH. But its still there. Mixed "redbones" are seen as more attractive and acceptable, even among the black communities, which is really sad.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #84
    Thomas828
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    I'm going to throw my own opinion in here. When it comes to porn, I only like looking at women, whether they're solo or girl-on-girl. And they can be any colour, white, black, brown, yellow or blue like that girl in "Avatar". What I never want to see in porn is a man, of any description. That's guaranteed to turn me off.


  • #85
    southsiderosie
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    I think there are some false distinctions being drawn here. Saying people are "pure black" versus "mixed black" is a bit of a misnomer, especially when talking about the US because historically everyone was put in the same "black box" (ok bad pun), up to having 1/16th black racial ancestry. Not to mention the fact that many Southern blacks also have Native American ancestry, or Jamaican blacks have some Chinese ancestry. There are very few "pure blacks" - whatever that means - in North (or South) America.

    The bottom line seems to be that women of color are considered more attractive to white people if they have some caucasian phenotypes - a narrower nose, or lighter skin, or straighter hair, etc. (while, ironically, many white women pay for tanning and lip injections, but that is another story altogether). To each their own I guess, but as a so-called "mixed girl" who has had perfect strangers yell "REDBONE!" out of their cars at me, I find the cultural baggage around race and standards of beauty tiresome - and that's across the racial spectrum. People being interested in you because you look like some fetishized stereotype about your race is just as annoying as someone outright dismissing you because of your race.

    Finally, as a side note, I wouldn't necessarily use Eddie Murphy as an introductory guide to black women. ;)


  • #86
    prinz
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    Frei wrote: »
    Nobody stated you were racist. That is a predictable sidestep by you, a whole post defending yourself from being racist, when nobody even said you where. I called out the irrelevant terms you used, you can 'whinge' about nitpicking or the PC brigade all you like, but it has nothing to do with political correctness. Once again, as I said, your generalisations, as you admit, are generalisations. But they are not necessarily true. They don't stand up, in my experience, and in many others' experience.

    Irrelevant terms? Has it really gotten that bad that we can't even say someone is mixed race? As for Liah's 'generalisation' they certainly stand up in my experiences and in many others experiences so your opposition is duly noted and counter balanced

    Personally I think the most beautiful women in the world are mixed race women, be it asian/caucasian, caucasian/african-american-black-coloured-negro, caucasian/native american whatever etc. I don't find very dark skin attractive nothing other than personal preference. I know all my friends feel the same too.


  • #87
    Frei
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    prinz wrote: »
    Irrelevant terms? Has it really gotten that bad that we can't even say someone is mixed race? As for Liah's 'generalisation' they certainly stand up in my experiences and in many others experiences so your opposition is duly noted and counter balanced

    Personally I think the most beautiful women in the world are mixed race women, be it asian/caucasian, caucasian/african-american-black-coloured-negro, caucasian/native american whatever etc. I don't find very dark skin attractive nothing other than personal preference. I know all my friends feel the same too.

    It's completely beside the point to say "Has it really gotten that bad" etc. as it serves to frame this in the usual political correctness gone mad argument. Liah or whoever else can call mixed-race people whatever they want. It doesn't mean though that a term such as mixed-black makes any sense. And it's fine to point that out in my opinion.

    Your personal preference and your friends' personal preference is that you don't find dark-skinned people attractive. That's your preference. There are many men who feel the opposite. These are all opinions and personal preferences. Therefore, it is not at all fair to say:
    Liah wrote:
    The majority of white men don't find black women attractive, but DO find mixed women attractive.

    without providing some sort of evidence to back it up. A statement that the 'majority of men XYZ' is not to be taken seriously without some kind of source or evidence behind it, in my opinion.


  • #88
    prinz
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    Frei wrote: »
    It doesn't mean that a term such is mixed-black makes any sense.

    Why doesn't it make sense? Makes perfect sense to me... mixed race.... it was pretty clear which races Liah was referring to.
    Frei wrote: »
    A statement that the 'majority of men XYZ' is not to be taken seriously without some kind of source or evidence behind it, in my opinion.

    This is AH. It's basically all opinion.


  • #89
    liah
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    Frei wrote: »
    without providing some sort of evidence to back it up. A statement that the 'majority of men XYZ' is not to be taken seriously without some kind of source or evidence behind it, in my opinion.

    My "evidence" is walking down streets in major cities in the United States, Canada, the UK, and Ireland.

    And judging by my first post, this is a trend way more people than just I have noticed. In fact, do a bit of googling and you'll find scores of people wondering why the phenomena exists.


  • #90
    Frei
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    prinz wrote: »
    Why doesn't it make sense? Makes perfect sense to me. mixed race....



    This is AH. It's basically all opinion.


    A statement of opinion doesn't really translate when it's an absolute statement. So perhaps it should be "the majority of men I have come into contact with..."


    Mixed race is not the term I called out. I called out 'mixed black woman' as a term that is unclear and not widely accepted.


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  • #91
    Frei
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    liah wrote: »
    My "evidence" is walking down streets in major cities in the United States, Canada, the UK, and Ireland.

    And judging by my first post, this is a trend way more people than just I have noticed. In fact, do a bit of googling and you'll find scores of people wondering why the phenomena exists.

    And my evidence and research is the same type of evidence you have, but states the opposite. So we're both right and both wrong. If you google why do XY prefer AB, replacing the letters with all races, etc, you'll find these statements all over the place.


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