Ghost Estates in Ireland

Forest Master · 10-05-2010 09:29PM

fontanalis wrote: »

From a house in Mullingar, think it was on the aftershock program last night.

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8781/zs8i4xy55cvxavenjgohswq.jpg

I don't get it - 3 clocks? What's your point?

unamused · 10-05-2010 09:30PM

I have had to rent since moving out of my family home 10 years ago when the property boom hit the banks still wouldnt give me a mortgage as I was on less than 30k...I am now unemployed and living in private rented accommodation and having to deal with a landlord who is a complete d*ck....I would love to own my own home in any sort of estate
I watched the programme last nite and did feel sorry for one or two of the ppl however I do think that eventually their issues with their estates will be sorted out and they will all live happily ever after with the only downside being that they have to pay more for their house than its worth but realistically anyone with half a brain cell could see that the house/apartment prices where too high for what you where getting and I am getting tired of hearing ppl moan about it are these not the same ppl who keep voting in FF thus letting them and their buddies - the banks/property developers over price everything while rubbing their greedy little hands together people need to take responsibility for this mess and how they contributed to it

Degsy · 10-05-2010 09:30PM

Forest Master wrote: »

I don't get it - 3 clocks? What's your point?

Pure fcucking pretension..equating mullingar with paris or new yourk.

ocokev · 10-05-2010 09:37PM

Degsy wrote: »

Pure fcucking pretension..equating mullingar with paris or new yourk.

Mullingar. Castlebar. Dundalk. So

Degsy · 10-05-2010 09:46PM

ocokev wrote: »

Mullingar. Castlebar. Dundalk. So

No no.
Mullingar.Magadan.Ulan Ude.

Oafley Jones · 10-05-2010 09:49PM

Will this be on the RTE player at some stage?

DonJose · 10-05-2010 10:00PM

Whats the name of this programme?

casio4 · 10-05-2010 10:04PM

DonJose wrote: »

Whats the name of this programme?

Aftershock: Ghostland

DonJose · 10-05-2010 10:06PM

casio4 wrote: »

Aftershock: Ghostland

Cheers, crap thats its not on RTE player!!!

stovelid · 10-05-2010 10:06PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E28-bkeL5k

DonJose · 10-05-2010 10:14PM

Searched the Sky listing and its on again on RTE 2 on Friday at 8pm.

casio4 · 10-05-2010 10:16PM

DonJose wrote: »

Searched the Sky listing and its on again on RTE 2 on Friday at 8pm.

it's worth a watch:)

starbelgrade · 10-05-2010 10:16PM

unamused wrote: »

I have had to rent since moving out of my family home 10 years ago when the property boom hit the banks still wouldnt give me a mortgage as I was on less than 30k...I am now unemployed and living in private rented accommodation and having to deal with a landlord who is a complete d*ck....I would love to own my own home in any sort of estate
I watched the programme last nite and did feel sorry for one or two of the ppl however I do think that eventually their issues with their estates will be sorted out and they will all live happily ever after with the only downside being that they have to pay more for their house than its worth but realistically anyone with half a brain cell could see that the house/apartment prices where too high for what you where getting and I am getting tired of hearing ppl moan about it are these not the same ppl who keep voting in FF thus letting them and their buddies - the banks/property developers over price everything while rubbing their greedy little hands together people need to take responsibility for this mess and how they contributed to it

The two assumptions you made in this post are incorrect, or at the very least, over assumptuous.

Firstly, a lot of the infinished estates will remain unfinished, unless there is some government policy to finish them. A lot of the developers have gone bust, so they will not do the job & the councils will not take unfinished estates into charge. If they ever do get finished, it wil be a long, long time before they are.

When planning permission is granted, developers have to submit a bond to the council - essentially money - to cover any outstanding building works which they may not finish to the council's satisfaction. This often covers roadworks, public lighting, green areas etc. It was never envisaged to have to cover the completion of buildings however, so that insurance back-up is more or less worthless.

Secondly, it is wrong to assume that everyone who bought a house during the property bubble also voted Fianna Fail. Why? Because a lot of them didn't.

Yes, people have to take responsibilty for their actions, but of all the groups who created & eventually burst the property bubble, ie., the bankers, government, bankers & purchasers, the purchasers are the least responsible of the lot, but sadly for them, will be the only ones who have to pay the price for a lesson learned the hard way.

jam_mac_jam · 10-05-2010 10:20PM

Under the law you have more protection if you bought a toaster than a house yet its the people's own fault who bought them?

Sea Sharp · 10-05-2010 11:19PM

The property bubble was nothing but a pyramid scheme and the unfortunates living in ghost estates got fecked over the most. Houses won't be back up to 2007 values in the next few years (I'm guessing 2021) so they're proper fecked.

Sanjuro · 10-05-2010 11:26PM

orourkeda wrote: »

How I laughed.

Imagine indebting yourself for the whole of your adult life to live in an unfinished estate.

People really are stupid.

Wow. Attitudes like this are a prime example of what's wrong with 'stupid' people. God forbid you ever find yourself in a position that causes you stress and consternation only to have dickheads point and laugh at you. Shame on you and all the others who share your sick attitude.

10-05-2010 11:35PM

How on earth did they ever get planning permission for all these estates? I read that even if they housed everyone on the social housing list, there would be hundreds of thousands left over. Who did they think was going to live in them? I find these new Irish housing estates creepy anyway. I had an ex who lived on one in Kildare, a whole estate full of cookie cutter McMansions. I wouldn't want to live there even if every house was occupied. Really creepy and soulless, IMO.

starbelgrade · 10-05-2010 11:39PM

[quote=[Deleted User];65824122]How on earth did they ever get planning permission for all these estates? .[/QUOTE]

The question is not how they got planning. The answer to that is simple - the areas in which they wer built were zoned for housing, so once the planners were happy with the density of the developments, the road layouts, house sizes etc., they were always likely to get planning permission.

The real question, is why so much land was zoned for housing in the first place. The answer to this, was pressure from developers on politicians who pushed through crazy zoning & re-zoning without any thought for planning in any way whatsoever.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 10-05-2010 11:42PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

Wow. Attitudes like this are a prime example of what's wrong with 'stupid' people. God forbid you ever find yourself in a position that causes you stress and consternation only to have dickheads point and laugh at you. Shame on you and all the others who share your sick attitude.

Agreed, I read and re-read that comment searching for a morsel of sarcastic wit, the amount of thanks that post received convinced me that there was something redeeming there. But people really can be horrible. Lost for words to be honest...

Duggy747 · 10-05-2010 11:43PM

This is what happened to my hometown:

Boom happened
Immigrants arrived (Polish, Lithuanians, Czechs, etc) and got jobs on building sites.
2 old landmarks were knocked down despite protests (An old mill and a cinema) to make way for apartments and estates.
Too many estates were built.
Immigrants went home
Empty apartment blocks and estates all over the town which are now either being sold off at a loss or been filled by released prisoners / their families, people re-located from Limerick and Dublin.

And that, my friends, is the story of the Celtic Boom.

hinault · 10-05-2010 11:43PM

[quote=[Deleted User];65824122]How on earth did they ever get planning permission for all these estates? I read that even if they housed everyone on the social housing list, there would be hundreds of thousands left over. Who did they think was going to live in them? I find these new Irish housing estates creepy anyway. I had an ex who lived on one in Kildare, a whole estate full of cookie cutter McMansions. I wouldn't want to live there even if every house was occupied. Really creepy and soulless, IMO.[/QUOTE]

Land/property prices exploded in Dublin, excluding a large amount of people from the Dublin property market.

Proximate towns and villages in the counties surrounding Dublin started to feed the demand for houses for this demographic and consequently estates were built to meet this "demand".

segaBOY · 10-05-2010 11:51PM

Well everyone, I for one am glad* to be part owner (as a taxpayer) of the tallest building in Ireland-a very stylish affair, may I add.

http://www.theelysian.ie/

Just when things got crazy, Cork needed a skyscraper for it's, er, cosmopolitan culture.

Needless to say, it remains vacant.

*Sarcasm intended.

Jesus Wept · 10-05-2010 11:51PM

Forest Master wrote: »

Thanks whore fail.

Thanks whore fail.
I lost interest in the thread after your post.

gurramok · 10-05-2010 11:53PM

At least they won't have to worry about noisy neighbours, they have the peace and quiet of the countryside apart from listening to moo-moo's and ba-aaa's

:P

segaBOY · 10-05-2010 11:58PM

gurramok wrote: »

At least they won't have to worry about noisy neighbours, they have the peace and quiet of the countryside apart from listening to moo-moo's and ba-aaa's :P

Lol, I laugh because it's something a Dub would say :P

stovelid · 11-05-2010 12:00AM

Forest Master wrote: »

Thanks whore fail.

Wouldn't he have garnered a load of thanks if he had failed as a thanks whore?

MaxFlower · 11-05-2010 12:01AM

Degsy wrote: »

Pure fcucking pretension..equating mullingar with paris or new yourk.

No you're wrong, the house belongs to Mr. Flav....he commutes from Mullingar, his estate agent told him it was only 5 hours from New York.

chopperbyrne · 11-05-2010 12:16AM

Tallaght Village and Tallaght Cross (the area by the LUAS stop outside the Square) is full of large apartment blocks, many of which are unfinished, that are empty.

I don't know who they thought were going to buy/rent all these properties, but they got built anyway. At least Tallaght has all the required facilities for anyone who does live in one of these blocks though.

Joey the lips · 11-05-2010 12:17AM

Reading through the arguements on this i am clear of one thing. I am talking to a younger generation with no comprehesion of what was actually going on.

Before I start I am not in negative equity and would need to loose another 100k before this happens.

Now back to my view.... When the housing "boom" started houses in blanchardstown were 50/60k.... Then this price carried on to lucan and continued to travel outward.... As the outer belts filled it travelled further. When the lands further filled all that was left was for higher prices.

Now on top of this the council stopped provided houses unless you were an unmarried mother or battered wife or something like that.....

So really the only way forward for a legimate couple was to buy at riseing prices... We all knew it could not last but hoped that following the politicians and broadcasters we could estimate interest rates prices and of course demand....

TBH I really do have total pity and understanding for these people. I understnd the pressure they were under in borrowing... I think town planners govt and those who pushed for section 23 relief are as to blame as the ordinary people.... However the difference in my feelings towards the ordinary person is they just wanted a place to call home....All others wanted to profit and with that high profit came a high risk..

So really yes they might have been nieve and they might have been stupid but those who fed them the information who did not provide sufficent alternatives in housing stock or controls are equally to blame

and the real real bitch about all this is if a quarter of all houses are re possesed due to foreclosure and unemployment etc it will be you mr john q taxpayer who will be bailing them out through rental allowence etc.... All the courtasey of your govt and town planners...

Pauleta · 11-05-2010 12:27AM

Have these estates become haunted after they were bulit or are they the ghosts of former estates of yesteryear?

Ghost Estates in Ireland

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