Being attacked and bureaucracy stopping arrest

Seloth · 09-05-2010 01:44AM #1

So I came down from my friends 18th and was eating away outside by a local chipper,this guy starts yellling at a girl giving her abuse,guard comes out talking to him n a first name basis saying calm down,talking to him for several mins.

10-15mins later asks a guy by me for a fag who in response gives him the finge rmessing,the guy comes over threatening the guymthen says ah I'm only joking,but once another guy((My second cousin)) tells him to calm down he starts threatening again,I smirk quitly and he looks at me "Whats your problem" "Nothing why" "Then why are you smirking " I just was" he comes over grabs my collar and headbops me so I stand up"HERE BACK THE **** DOWN NOW AS THE GUARDS WERE JSUT AT YOU AND I SWEAR TO ****" gives me a bop again,so I give him one or two swings back((Which I was told later were quite good and being a guy who's only been in 3 fights with one in 1st year Im quite proud hha)) Hits me few more times and I say **** this and push him back and jump down and call 999,they get the local ghuards on 2 mins later,meanwhile the guy throws a glass bottle at me and tries chasing me a few times.

So anyway he walks off after a girl takes him away and I go back up,talk t my cousin who says"Look jsut dont say your name around,hes not a tinker but the guy has a mentality of one",thn the squad car is abck againa fter driivng by once so I go over,tell them all I know,details and such and ask if I could identify him now,I said I'd rather not get oo involved in which they say"Look,As your the injured party if you want him to be prosectued you'll have to do this,Now I can get back onto you in the morning but unless you do we'll have to leave this go" "Um isnt there cameras up there" "Sorry but you'l have to still do this" "Look I really dont want to get t involved incase anystuff happens after,could you advise me?" "SOrryw I legally cant..You cna contact your lawyer..." And so on.

Now I'm 18..I dont have a ****ing solicitor!what is it with this bureacuracy in where they can just arrest the guy,seeing s its obviouse he bloody well attacked me and there are cameras!.In the taxu back when I was talking to the driver one of the other passengers((Who the driver thinks is a guard)) said to go ahead with it as he could do much worse with people after,and to get onto my cousin whos a recent law graduate to contact them.

As I said I'm only bloody 18 and yer man was 20 somthing,I have no clue what to bloody well do,I'm effin worried about me leaving and they are sayin ask a solicitor for advice

.

Lol I know long but anyof ye that could tell me of similar events or give advice would be great thanks:o

Edit- Just to say I'm not making a complaint about the guards,they were good about this(Despite being late heh) and they legally did what they could do.

Midnight_EG · 09-05-2010 01:46AM

Who celebrates an 8th?

Seloth · 09-05-2010 01:48AM

18th

,just a spelling mistake...litrally this happened 40 mins ago so give me a break hah.

The Maverick · 09-05-2010 01:49AM

I think the guards have to have a statement from you to prosectute him. They can't do anything if you won't identify him.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 09-05-2010 01:49AM

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DubMedic · 09-05-2010 01:51AM

Seloth wrote: »

So I came down from my friends 18th and was eating away outside by a local chipper,this guy starts yellling at a girl giving her abuse,guard comes out talking to him n a first name basis saying calm down,talking to him for several mins.

10-15mins later asks a guy by me for a fag who in response gives him the finge rmessing,the guy comes over threatening the guymthen says ah I'm only joking,but once another guy((My second cousin)) tells him to calm down he starts threatening again,I smirk quitly and he looks at me "Whats your problem" "Nothing why" "Then why are you smirking " I just was" he comes over grabs my collar and headbops me so I stand up"HERE BACK THE **** DOWN NOW AS THE GUARDS WERE JSUT AT YOU AND I SWEAR TO ****" gives me a bop again,so I give him one or two swings back((Which I was told later were quite good and being a guy who's only been in 3 fights with one in 1st year Im quite proud hha)) Hits me few more times and I say **** this and push him back and jump down and call 999,they get the local ghuards on 2 mins later,meanwhile the guy throws a glass bottle at me and tries chasing me a few times.

So anyway he walks off after a girl takes him away and I go back up,talk t my cousin who says"Look jsut dont say your name around,hes not a tinker but the guy has a mentality of one",thn the squad car is abck againa fter driivng by once so I go over,tell them all I know,details and such and ask if I could identify him now,I said I'd rather not get oo involved in which they say"Look,As your the injured party if you want him to be prosectued you'll have to do this,Now I can get back onto you in the morning but unless you do we'll have to leave this go" "Um isnt there cameras up there" "Sorry but you'l have to still do this" "Look I really dont want to get t involved incase anystuff happens after,could you advise me?" "SOrryw I legally cant..You cna contact your lawyer..." And so on.

Now I'm 18..I dont have a ****ing solicitor!what is it with this bureacuracy in where they can just arrest the guy,seeing s its obviouse he bloody well attacked me and there are cameras!.In the taxu back when I was talking to the driver one of the other passengers((Who the driver thinks is a guard)) said to go ahead with it as he could do much worse with people after,and to get onto my cousin whos a recent law graduate to contact them.

As I said I'm only bloody 18 and yer man was 20 somthing,I have no clue what to bloody well do,I'm effin worried about me leaving and they are sayin ask a solicitor for advice.

Lol I know long but anyof ye that could tell me of similar events or give advice would be great thanks:o

Quoted for posterity in case of edit when sober.

Holsten · 09-05-2010 01:54AM

Did you give the Garda your info? Did you take his card? Nothing will happen unless you want it to.

Seloth · 09-05-2010 01:56AM

I'n all fairness dont be a grammer nazi.I didnt drink much tonight so I'm not quite drunk,more a bit shocked than anyhing,at the time I was ina half in half fight or flight but when I started talking to the guards I got really shaky

and ya she gave me a contact number and they took my details,I'm going to wait on a response from my cousin as well before I say anything to the parents(As they'd jsut get worried)).

Bt I'm not quite sure what to do

all I di was smirk for petes sake!

PARKHEAD67 · 09-05-2010 01:58AM

Seloth wrote: »

So I came down from my friends 18th and was eating away outside by a local chipper,this guy starts yellling at a girl giving her abuse,guard comes out talking to him n a first name basis saying calm down,talking to him for several mins.

10-15mins later asks a guy by me for a fag who in response gives him the finge rmessing,the guy comes over threatening the guymthen says ah I'm only joking,but once another guy((My second cousin)) tells him to calm down he starts threatening again,I smirk quitly and he looks at me "Whats your problem" "Nothing why" "Then why are you smirking " I just was" he comes over grabs my collar and headbops me so I stand up"HERE BACK THE **** DOWN NOW AS THE GUARDS WERE JSUT AT YOU AND I SWEAR TO ****" gives me a bop again,so I give him one or two swings back((Which I was told later were quite good and being a guy who's only been in 3 fights with one in 1st year Im quite proud hha)) Hits me few more times and I say **** this and push him back and jump down and call 999,they get the local ghuards on 2 mins later,meanwhile the guy throws a glass bottle at me and tries chasing me a few times.

So anyway he walks off after a girl takes him away and I go back up,talk t my cousin who says"Look jsut dont say your name around,hes not a tinker but the guy has a mentality of one",thn the squad car is abck againa fter driivng by once so I go over,tell them all I know,details and such and ask if I could identify him now,I said I'd rather not get oo involved in which they say"Look,As your the injured party if you want him to be prosectued you'll have to do this,Now I can get back onto you in the morning but unless you do we'll have to leave this go" "Um isnt there cameras up there" "Sorry but you'l have to still do this" "Look I really dont want to get t involved incase anystuff happens after,could you advise me?" "SOrryw I legally cant..You cna contact your lawyer..." And so on.

Now I'm 18..I dont have a ****ing solicitor!what is it with this bureacuracy in where they can just arrest the guy,seeing s its obviouse he bloody well attacked me and there are cameras!.In the taxu back when I was talking to the driver one of the other passengers((Who the driver thinks is a guard)) said to go ahead with it as he could do much worse with people after,and to get onto my cousin whos a recent law graduate to contact them.

As I said I'm only bloody 18 and yer man was 20 somthing,I have no clue what to bloody well do,I'm effin worried about me leaving and they are sayin ask a solicitor for advice.

Lol I know long but anyof ye that could tell me of similar events or give advice would be great thanks:o

My advice would be dont bother with guards. They wont do anything for you.I have gardai friends but they just want to avoid stuff like that.Ive got a permanent scar on my face coz of an incident pretty similar to yourself.

hunggar · 09-05-2010 02:02AM

the guards cant prosecute someone for assault without an official complaint from the person who was assaulted in the first place. makes sense if you think about it. especially if it came down to court.
it depends where you live and if you know the guy, i.e small town where you might run into him again or big city like dublin where you never will.
if your from a small town then unless it was a bad assault then i would let it be. you threw your few punches back. you have enough to worry bout with your leaving and there will always be some drunk prick looking to start a fight. he will get his in time.

Seloth · 09-05-2010 02:07AM

Not a tottally small town but small enough heh.

Tbh When I called I expected them too arrive when he was still half chasing me seeing as I was in the town centre!One of the guards in the barracks did call to say just after I left the squad car that the guy has gone back to bed

I know its not much compared to what can and has happened but this has never happend to me before!

PARKHEAD67 · 09-05-2010 02:07AM

hunggar wrote: »

the guards cant prosecute someone for assault without an official complaint from the person who was assaulted in the first place. makes sense if you think about it. especially if it came down to court.
it depends where you live and if you know the guy, i.e small town where you might run into him again or big city like dublin where you never will.
if your from a small town then unless it was a bad assault then i would let it be. you threw your few punches back. you have enough to worry bout with your leaving and there will always be some drunk prick looking to start a fight. he will get his in time.

agree 100%.He will get his comeuppance

Seloth · 09-05-2010 02:09AM

I just kinda wish the guards could give me advice on what to do at the situation.

Just realise dthe ****er broke the zip on my coat jacket :mad:.

The parent situation is another thought heh.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 09-05-2010 02:11AM

You're twisted out of your mind, ain't ya? :P

Make a complaint to the guards in the morning. See what happens. They deal with drunken fights all the time.

Go to bed and worry about it tomorrow

Dazd_N_Confusd · 09-05-2010 02:11AM

If the guards won't do anything then how about some vigilante **** on your part? Take matters into your own hands?

Seloth · 09-05-2010 02:13AM

Dazd_N_Confusd wrote: »

If the guards won't do anything then how about some vigilante **** on your part? Take matters into your own hands?

I honestly was thinking that but I dont really know who the guy is :pac:

You're twisted out of your mind, ain't ya?

Make a complaint to the guards in the morning. See what happens. They deal with drunken fights all the time.

and again No 'm for the most part sober,but yeah they said they'd contact me tomorrow night.

PARKHEAD67 · 09-05-2010 02:21AM

Seloth wrote: »

I honestly was thinking that but I dont really know who the guy is :pac:

and again No 'm for the most part sober,but yeah they said they'd contact me tomorrow night.

theyll do nothing bud.absolutely nothing.trust me

rockmongrel · 09-05-2010 02:21AM

Well, someone is p!ssed.

Super-Rush · 09-05-2010 02:23AM

Seloth wrote: »

I just kinda wish the guards could give me advice on what to do at the situation.

Just realise dthe ****er broke the zip on my coat jacket :mad:.

The parent situation is another thought heh.

So you call the guards and tell them you have been assaulted. When they arrive they ask you to identify who hit you. You then tell them that you don't want to get involved. They tell you that if this is going to go any further you will have to identify him. You still refuse.

Theres no use bitching about the guards not doing anything if you're not prepared to co-operate.

Seloth · 09-05-2010 02:27AM

super-rush wrote: »

So you call the guards and tell them you have been assaulted. When they arrive they ask you to identify who hit you. You then tell them that you don't want to get involved. They tell you that if this is going to go any further you will have to identify him. You still refuse.

Theres no use bitching about the guards not doing anything if you're not prepared to co-operate.

They know who the guy is,what I am saying is I did not want to hvae ot face im after he attacked me 25 mins after!

me-skywalker · 09-05-2010 02:28AM

Ring the guards pretending to be the other guy and get yourself prosecuted then you can counter prosectue since the courts will appoint you a defence solicitor some Lionel Hutz guy.

Well you could drag him into a a field and beat the ****e out of him!!

20mins to eat a chipper when your drunk?? get it together!

theboxer · 09-05-2010 03:08AM

Dazd_N_Confusd wrote: »

If the guards won't do anything then how about some vigilante **** on your part? Take matters into your own hands?

Cop on. The young lad has his Leaving Cert in a few weeks.

Notch it down to experience OP, the chap sounds like a gob****e and he will eventually start on the wrong bloke. If you were in a position to throw back a few hooks after receiving not just one, but two, headbutts, he isnt half as hard as he seems think.

Focus on your exams, knuckle down with your studies and forget about this guttersnipe.

Oh, and enjoy the hangover tomorrow morn.:)

theboxer · 09-05-2010 03:11AM

me-skywalker wrote: »

20mins to eat a chipper when your drunk?? get it together!

No use monching it. You have to take your time and enjoy the greasy goodness. Savour the fried spud. Appreciate it. Its a beautiful thing after a skinful.

:pac:

Seloth · 09-05-2010 03:14AM

theboxer wrote: »

Cop on. The young lad has his Leaving Cert in a few weeks.

Notch it down to experience OP, the chap sounds like a gob****e and he will eventually start on the wrong bloke. If you were in a position to throw back a few hooks after receiving not just one, but two, headbutts, he isnt half as hard as he seems think.

Focus on your exams, knuckle down with your studies and forget about this guttersnipe.

Oh, and enjoy the hangover tomorrow morn.:)

You have no idea how much this post really menas to me

.Hopfully with the water Im drinking I wont heh

...half the reason I didnt drink that much,just curiosue if I did get drunk tonight would I have gone to the club and avoided this heh,ah well experiance as you said

Just curiouse but does anyone know what kind of charges would be put on him he he were prosecuted?

El Weirdo · 09-05-2010 03:32AM

Seloth wrote: »

and again No 'm for the most part sober,but yeah they said they'd contact me tomorrow night.

Yeah but the other part seems absolutely shit faced.

TheBigLebowski · 09-05-2010 04:38AM

It's a fact that 99.73% of fights in Ireland happen in or around chip shops in the early hours. I don't go near them after closing time.

TheTMO · 09-05-2010 04:43AM

Seloth wrote: »

I'n all fairness dont be a grammer nazi.I didnt drink much tonight so I'm not quite drunk,more a bit shocked than anyhing,at the time I was ina half in half fight or flight but when I started talking to the guards I got really shaky

and ya she gave me a contact number and they took my details,I'm going to wait on a response from my cousin as well before I say anything to the parents(As they'd jsut get worried)).

Bt I'm not quite sure what to do all I di was smirk for petes sake!

RESULT!

WindSock · 09-05-2010 07:04AM

So....what were you smirking at?

dermothickey · 09-05-2010 07:27AM

My advice would be to let it go, The guy was after an argument with his girlfriend, got in a small scrape with you. I'm sure you will get over it. You seemed to have dealt with it well enough, and the lads will think your brave cos you stood up to him. It's another thing if you got kicked up and down the place but you didn't, so just drop it. When there is drink involved there is a chance of fighting. This willl happen for the next few years unless you learn how to diffuse situations like this.

wyndham · 09-05-2010 07:35AM

Fuggeddaboudit. Be thankful there were no knives, screwdrivers, bottles, etc

What did you get in the chipper?

Mike 1972 · 09-05-2010 11:36AM

hunggar wrote: »

the guards cant prosecute someone for assault without an official complaint from the person who was assaulted in the first place..

By that logic nobody could ever be prosecuted for murder :rolleyes:

Being attacked and bureaucracy stopping arrest

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