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"Psychics" or "Psychos"?

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Tom Higgins - Irish Psychics Live

    IMHO he wouldn't have gotten away with some of this stuff in the UK.

    http://www.tjmcintyre.com/2008/09/how-to-be-sued-by-space-cadets-regtel.html


    http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t27850.html
    , the regulator said it was reasonable to assume 80 per cent of the profits were attributable to services which the regulator had deemed to have been operated in breach of the code.


    http://www.dataprotection.ie/viewprint.asp?DocID=331&StartDate=1+January+2010
    Case Study 11 - Prosecution of 4’s A Fortune Ltd – unsolicited marketing communications

    http://www.dataprotection.ie/viewdoc.asp?Docid=104&Catid=38&StartDate=1+January+2009&m=c
    Realm Communications- Unsolicited SMS texting and direct marketing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Psychics are either charlatans/scam-artists, or else just deluded nutjobs

    People who pay for their services are credulous gimpazoids

    If psychics do their readings by genuinely communicating with the dead, then they're doing it the hard way*

    *James Randi


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    I think some are ok. Sure why not. It's a bit of craic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    WindSock wrote: »
    I think some are ok. Sure why not. It's a bit of craic.

    Most people that go for a reading don't think its a bit of craic :/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Our Government obviously has used them to help in making their decisions in recent years,:D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Ciaran500 wrote: »
    Most people that go for a reading don't think its a bit of craic :/

    Let them to it then. People get so angry and high horsey when they rant about psychics & mediums etc. If others want to believe that cards will reveal something about there current or future situation, then let them. There's no harm in it, unless, like everything it is done in excess or used as a crutch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    WindSock wrote: »
    Let them to it then. People get so angry and high horsey when they rant about psychics & mediums etc. If others want to believe that cards will reveal something about there current or future situation, then let them. There's no harm in it, unless, like everything it is done in excess or used as a crutch.

    It's not so much the people that go use the psychics & mediums that most people get angry and high horsey about. It's the liers and con men that sell a service they know is bullsh1t to people.

    Personally I don't see any difference between a "psychic" and some bloke that sells a laptop computer on Ebay to someone and then only sends them an empty box, or a mechanic that charges someone to service thier car but just resets the service light ect. They are basically thieves.

    The fact that a lot of these "mediums" by the very nature of their job actively target people who are desperate e.g. someone hoping to find out what happened to a deceased love one etc. Then string them along for as long as possible, deliberately playing on their emotional pain to extract the maximum amount of money they can from them makes them all the worse than the two above examples.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 977 ✭✭✭Abrasax


    Derren Brown nails it on the head with this video re: a psychic technique known as cold reading...
    (a few people might be put off by the first section with the clown. The second part start at about 2 minutes in)



    And another in an interview with Richard Dawkins..



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    strobe wrote: »

    The fact that a lot of these "mediums" by the very nature of their job actively target people who are desperate e.g. someone hoping to find out what happened to a deceased love one etc. Then string them along for as long as possible, deliberately playing on their emotional pain to extract the maximum amount of money they can from them makes them all the worse than the two above examples.

    I agree there are some who conduct themselves fairly piss poorly and take advantage of the emotionally vulnerable, but that is not to say that they are all like that. Many exist as a service and don't 'target' anyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    WindSock wrote: »
    I agree there are some who conduct themselves fairly piss poorly and take advantage of the emotionally vulnerable, but that is not to say that they are all like that. Many exist as a service and don't 'target' anyone.

    In regards to the ones that genuinly believe they can communicate with the dead I'd agree they don't target anyone, they are just a bit unhinged themselves. To use the previous analogy, they are the equivelent of a mechanic that genuinly believes that by just reseting the service reminder on your car they are actually helping the car to run better for longer. In otherwords they are not playing with a full deck themselves so can't really be accused of deliberate wrongdoing. But I'd imagine the proportion of mediums that genuinly believe they have magic powers is a fraction of the people that know they are actively defrauding people.

    As far as your run of the mill psychic that just sees it as a kind of performance they are charging people to see, like a magician putting on a show with smoke and mirrors, I wouldn't have as much of a problem with. The difference is the magician doesn't advise his audience to make life decisions on the basis of them believing the rabbit was actually materialised into the hat from thin air.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭NothingMan


    I know a girl who absolutely believes in this stuff. Not only psychic readings but group session mediums. She thinks i'm naive for not believing in it, and thinks it's completely crazy that I don't believe in God. I have heard of some peoples "freaky experiences". For example my girlfriend was told she would end up with a guy with the letters M & S in his name. I have those letters in my name but what does that prove? I mean my girlfriend also like M&S food. She's also partial to a nice spanking (S&M), or did she only give me a chance because I had those letters in my name? Would she have jumped the bones of the first Sam or James she met either?

    For me to believe in this stuff I would have to be shown, in person, absolute proof that what is happening is real. But as people have said, if any "Psychic could do that they would have a million dollars and wouldn't waste their time with me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 977 ✭✭✭Abrasax


    strobe wrote: »

    As far as your run of the mill psychic that just sees it as a kind of performance they are charging people to see, like a magician putting on a show with smoke and mirrors, I wouldn't have as much of a problem with. The difference is the magician doesn't advise his audience to make life decisions on the basis of them believing the rabbit was actually materialised into the hat from thin air.

    As long as they're giving positive advice, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
    This advice would work on the gullible in the same way a hypnotist or NLP practitioner might and, the human mind working the way it does, this positive outcome may be realised.
    For the same reason any 'psychic' dispensing negativity, should have their psychic powers removed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Abrasax wrote: »
    As long as they're giving positive advice, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
    This advice would work on the gullible in the same way a hypnotist or NLP practitioner might and, the human mind working the way it does, this positive outcome may be realised.
    For the same reason any 'psychic' dispensing negativity, should have their psychic powers removed.

    I get your point about a psychic telling someone, for example "if you try your absolute hardest in the upcoming competition the cards/ crystals/ spirits tell me you will win", and how that could be a positive thing. The thing is for that to work for someone they would have to actually believe the psychic had magic powers, which they do not, so it is still dishonest. Basically if that person rang their Mother they would get exactly the same advice, minus the spooky stuff, and save themselves money in the process. There is also the point that a psychic is in no position to be giving any advice whatsoever to anyone about anything, what with knowing nothing about them. Also your basic psychic reading tends to involve a lot more "something important will happen in March or April" "someone with the letter M in their name will betray you" kind of stuff, as opposed to "believe in yourself and you can accomplish anything".

    Like I said before I don't have a problem with psychic stuff if veiwed by both the psychic and the customer as a kind of performance, as a form of entertainment. But when it goes beyond that I equate it to someone selling a magic baseball cap to a child and telling them it will help them win the big football game. It might make the kid believe in himself more and believe that he will win and therefor be a positive thing. But you knew the hat wasn't magic and now you are down the pub drinking the kids pocket money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    the only example I ever saw of Psychic power was at the Mind Body and Spirit festival in the RDS last year. All the psychics had managed to set their prices identical, at €50 for a 20 minute reading, either by Tarot, Crystal ball, or "angel cards". Amazing!

    BTW, it's all a fraud, every one of them are fakes, no matter how "accurate" they or you claim them to be.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    I'm sure for most people no harm comes of the odd psychic indulgence, but for those who genuinely believe it, particularly if they're visiting a particularly ruthless psychic, there can indeed be quite alot of harm done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    So do her a huge favour and tell her about One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge, and maybe politely request a small portion of her earnings for giving her the heads up.

    You have overlooked one small problem. As soon as she decides to tell her psychic about the challenge, the psychic, being psychic will forsee the conversation and just go collect the million for being psychic without having to hand over a commission.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Lemegeton


    they make me sick. anyone who claims they have psychic ability are con-men pure and simple. its a load of bollocks IMO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    People who claim to be psychic exploit the vulnerable, desperate, and grieving, at the lowest points in their lives - for money. Without a conscience.

    People who genuinely believe themselves to be psychic probably are motivated to help people (donations welcome also), but it doesn't make them harmless.

    Either way, its unbelieveable that people in the year 2010 think the most that their dead granny, who found a way back to talk to them, took time out from valhalla, heaven, nirvana or wherever, just to tell them to beware of a tall blonde stranger and that the will is in a dark place.

    If you're interrupting your blissful spiritual existence to chat, tell them something specific and useful, ok granny?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    galwayrush wrote: »
    Our Government obviously has used them to help in making their decisions in recent years,:D
    Nancy Regan


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