Are all degrees created equal?

Gang of Gin · 05-05-2010 03:28PM

evercloserunion wrote: »

No; you can go to a university and still get tired of all the willy-waving that accompanies threads like these.

There is far too much phallic-referencing going on! Willy-waving? W**kshafting?!

RichTea · 05-05-2010 03:30PM

Gang of Gin wrote: »

There is far too much phallic-referencing going on! Willy-waving? W**kshafting?!

Yeah the thread itself is just a massive cock-up. Every tom, Dick and harry can tell you that different colleges have different specialities.

PeakOutput · 05-05-2010 04:00PM

davyjose wrote: »

World University Rankings 2009

Trinity College Dublin ............... 43
UCD ..................................... 89
Everywhere else ..................... That noise from Family Fortunes

its already been posted

its not the standard ranking refered to in ireland afaik and i can show 3/4 other rankings that have those colleges nowhwere to be seen

Pittens · 05-05-2010 04:02PM

The methodology of those rankings seems to be to ask people in the top 100 to name universities in the top 100.

PeakOutput · 05-05-2010 04:48PM

Pittens wrote: »

The methodology of those rankings seems to be to ask people in the top 100 to name universities in the top 100.

wrong

here is an example of one of the more respectable rankings methodology

it has no subjective factors

hardybuck · 05-05-2010 04:52PM

Some third level institutions are better than others in certain areas. Trinity College wouldn't be a fantastic place to study IT, where somewhere like WIT would have a good reputation. Some niche courses like optometry in DIT are other good examples, I'm sure DIT do an excellent job.

However, I am aware of at least one US multinational who will only accept CVs from UCC, UCD and Trinity. That is one example of what goes on in a loose labour market like we have at the moment.

I had a friend working in a recruitment agency in London who claimed that they had one pile for CVs from Oxford, Cambridge and Trinity, and another pile for everything else.

PeakOutput · 05-05-2010 05:00PM

hardybuck wrote: »

Some third level institutions are better than others in certain areas. Trinity College wouldn't be a fantastic place to study IT, where somewhere like WIT would have a good reputation. Some niche courses like optometry in DIT are other good examples, I'm sure DIT do an excellent job.

However, I am aware of at least one US multinational who will only accept CVs from UCC, UCD and Trinity. That is one example of what goes on in a loose labour market like we have at the moment.

I had a friend working in a recruitment agency in London who claimed that they had one pile for CVs from Oxford, Cambridge and Trinity, and another pile for everything else.

i can name 3 multinationals that wont hire from any irish universities

hardybuck · 05-05-2010 05:03PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

i can name 3 multinationals that wont hire from any irish universities

Are they based in Ireland?

PeakOutput · 05-05-2010 05:05PM

hardybuck wrote: »

Are they based in Ireland?

nope but they would be massive companies renowned for head hunting top people

hardybuck · 05-05-2010 05:08PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

nope but they would be massive companies renowned for head hunting top people

Well they obviously have little confidence in Ireland in the first place then.

From my dealings with people in international management and recruitment scenarios, the Irish graduate is quite well respected. We are seen as quite well rounded and adaptable, which is probably down to the leaving cert as much as anything else.

PeakOutput · 05-05-2010 05:12PM

hardybuck wrote: »

Well they obviously have little confidence in Ireland in the first place then.

From my dealings with people in international management and recruitment scenarios, the Irish graduate is quite well respected. We are seen as quite well rounded and adaptable, which is probably down to the leaving cert as much as anything else.

well ye but i find it pretty inexcusable that our top graduates have to go abroad to get postgrads that are of high enough quality to be hired by these guys

OctavarIan · 05-05-2010 05:13PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

nope but they would be massive companies renowned for head hunting top people

Are you talking about the Google thing from a few months back?

Pittens · 05-05-2010 05:13PM

I had a friend working in a recruitment agency in London who claimed that they had one pile for CVs from Oxford, Cambridge and Trinity, and another pile for everything else.

Which, is of course, nonsense when it comes to people with experience. Or indeed anything else. Not hiring someone from Imperial College or UL for an engineering or mathematical course might explain why the world is in sh*t - I do know of an anecdotal story about a hedge fund trader who had a a degree in the classics. That is a major error.

i can name 3 multinationals that wont hire from any irish universities

At what level? Graduates? MBAs? I dont know any multi-national who wont hire people from all universities with the requisite experience. As I said I have worked with people from MIT, stanford, and "lesser" universities in a fairly top multi-national.

PeakOutput · 05-05-2010 05:20PM

Pittens wrote: »

At what level? Graduates? MBAs? I dont know any multi-national who wont hire people from all universities with the requisite experience. As I said I have worked with people from MIT, stanford, and "lesser" universities in a fairly top multi-national.

graduates or postgrads

im sure people with experience would be treated differently

but if you want to work for these certain companies doing a top postgrad in ireland is pointless you need to at least get to england

PeakOutput · 05-05-2010 05:20PM

OctavarIan wrote: »

Are you talking about the Google thing from a few months back?

no they said they wont hire from one particular uni

Little Acorn · 05-05-2010 05:23PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

no they said they wont hire from one particular uni

What uni? Did they say why?

PeakOutput · 05-05-2010 05:24PM

Little Acorn wrote: »

What uni? Did they say why?

they didnt name it or say why besides that they have found their graduates to be of unacceptable quality

edit; i think they named trinity and dcu and maybe ul as having good quality and they said they give graduates from the others a chance accept for one they didnt name it though

OctavarIan · 05-05-2010 05:26PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

no they said they wont hire from one particular uni

Was it just one? Can't recall them mentioning anyone specifically.

Who are the large multinationals then?

ya-ba-da-ba-doo · 05-05-2010 05:32PM

Gang of Gin wrote: »

Gee, don't get your knickers in a twist. Or as the Americans would say, your panties in a bunch. I'm sure he intended in light-heartedly enough.

He's not offending me, I go to one of the colleges he said was "worth the effort". I just think it's stupid to have this snobbery related to colleges!

davyjose · 05-05-2010 05:34PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

i can name 3 multinationals that wont hire from any irish universities

There are companies that won't hire from outside Ivy League, Oxbridge, and a few of the other Major American Unis such as Caltech and MIT.

That says little more than these jobs are premium, and these colleges are of the highest standard.

Why would Goldman-Sachs hire from trinity, when they have a desk piled high with Harvard and Yale Grads' CV's? You're not going to accept a TCD grad over a Harvard Grad no matter what. That's not necessarily an indictment against Irish Uni's.

adamski8 · 05-05-2010 05:44PM

phasers wrote: »

No, all degrees aren't created equal.

Medicine > Media studies , for example.

Cleaning toilet > media studies

davyjose wrote: »

World University Rankings 2009

Trinity College Dublin ............... 43
UCD ..................................... 89
Everywhere else ..................... That noise from Family Fortunes

Well they can be very misleading. UCD and Trinity have medicine (and I think law) which other colleges dont have so therefore they are much higher in the table. Doesnt mean other like degrees are worst in other colleges

PeakOutput · 05-05-2010 05:46PM

davyjose wrote: »

There are companies that won't hire from outside Ivy League, Oxbridge, and a few of the other Major American Unis such as Caltech and MIT.

That says little more than these jobs are premium, and these colleges are of the highest standard.

Why would Goldman-Sachs hire from trinity, when they have a desk piled high with Harvard and Yale Grads' CV's? You're not going to accept a TCD grad over a Harvard Grad no matter what. That's not necessarily an indictment against Irish Uni's.

iv seen oxbridge a few times in this thread do people mean oxford or is there another top one called oxbridge?

goldman sachs is a bad example because they specifically recruit out of the box(sasha baron cohen for example) but i know what you mean

i still dont think there is any reason why we cant a have a properly ranked top 20 college that covers a wide range of subjects

Pittens · 05-05-2010 05:49PM

iv seen oxbridge a few times in this thread do people mean oxford or is there another top one called oxbridge?

Oxford or Cambridge

PeakOutput · 05-05-2010 05:50PM

Pittens wrote: »

Oxford or Cambridge

gotcha thanks

davyjose · 05-05-2010 05:53PM

PeakOutput wrote: »

iv seen oxbridge a few times in this thread do people mean oxford or is there another top one called oxbridge?

goldman sachs is a bad example because they specifically recruit out of the box(sasha baron cohen for example) but i know what you mean

i still dont think there is any reason why we cant a have a properly ranked top 20 college that covers a wide range of subjects

It's a composite of Oxford and Cambridge.

in fairness, a population and economy the size of ours cannot expect to compete with the US, or even the UK. And I think 43 on a list - on any list - is very impressive.

But there's nothing to stopping Irish students from attending, say, Harvard. It is just as far, costs just as much, is just as difficult an entrance exam/interview for one of us, as it is for a kid in California. I think the problem is we don't see that there is something beyond what we have. We see Trinity as the ceiling, when it's not. "Yeah you got 600 points in your leaving, are you going to UCD or Trinity?" When there are alternatives.

evercloserunion · 05-05-2010 05:58PM

RichTea wrote: »

Yeah the thread itself is just a massive cock-up. Every tom, Dick and harry can tell you that different colleges have different specialities.

That argument is such a phallusy.

PeakOutput · 05-05-2010 05:58PM

davyjose wrote: »

But there's nothing to stopping Irish students from attending, say, Harvard. It is just as far, costs just as much, is just as difficult an entrance exam/interview for one of us, as it is for a kid in California. I think the problem is we don't see that there is something beyond what we have. We see Trinity as the ceiling, when it's not. "Yeah you got 600 points in your leaving, are you going to UCD or Trinity?" When there are alternatives.

oh ye i know i intend on doing my postgrad in ireland but i believe we can compete if we reintroduce fees for certain groups of people

05-05-2010 06:43PM

davyjose wrote: »

It's a composite of Oxford and Cambridge.

in fairness, a population and economy the size of ours cannot expect to compete with the US, or even the UK. And I think 43 on a list - on any list - is very impressive.

But there's nothing to stopping Irish students from attending, say, Harvard. It is just as far, costs just as much, is just as difficult an entrance exam/interview for one of us, as it is for a kid in California. I think the problem is we don't see that there is something beyond what we have. We see Trinity as the ceiling, when it's not. "Yeah you got 600 points in your leaving, are you going to UCD or Trinity?" When there are alternatives.

Not really. Most Irish people just couldn't afford to go to Harvard. I wanted to but there was no way it was ever happening. American kids can do it because their parents save from birth or they get financial aid. I applied to colleges in the US and I got accepted but I couldn't afford it so that was that. I do think that Irish students studying in the UK is realistic and I don't know why more of them don't do it. The fees aren't too high and it's easy to get back and forth.

PeakOutput · 05-05-2010 06:46PM

[quote=[Deleted User];65739082]Not really. Most Irish people just couldn't afford to go to Harvard. I wanted to but there was no way it was ever happening. American kids can do it because their parents save from birth or they get financial aid. I applied to colleges in the US and I got accepted but I couldn't afford it so that was that. I do think that Irish students studying in the UK is realistic and I don't know why more of them don't do it. The fees aren't too high and it's easy to get back and forth.[/QUOTE]

anyone who gets into harvard can afford to go

its called a student loan and with their earning potential upon graduation its easily doable(the average starting salary for mba's upon graduation was something like 120Kdollars)

neil_18_ · 05-05-2010 07:18PM

"Daddy can't buy you cop on in Trinity College"

I go to DIT... I'd imagine that looking at a CV with the Trinity equivilent of my course would look better on paper.

But what if their work experience is shít or non-existent. I'm going to look the better person when the interview comes along.

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