Clamper's, have you been donet?

segaBOY · 02-05-2010 11:08PM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

It gives them incentive to be vigilant.

Should they give the Gardaí a commission per arrest in order to give them the incentive to be more vigilant?

Nervous Wreck · 03-05-2010 01:10AM

squod wrote: »

By rewarding them for using force to to remove the use of your vehicle (piracy) you are making them money (randsom). Clamping is not regulated in this country.

Not regulated? How dyou figure?

segaBOY wrote: »

Should they give the Gardaí a commission per arrest in order to give them the incentive to be more vigilant?

One job is neither relative nor relevant to the other, in fairness.

segaBOY · 03-05-2010 01:11AM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

One job is neither relative nor relevant to the other, in fairness.

Giving a Garda commission for writing a ticket when (s)he spots illegal parking then.

Nervous Wreck · 03-05-2010 01:22AM

segaBOY wrote: »

Giving a Garda commission for writing a ticket when (s)he spots illegal parking then.

That's effectively the motivation for employing clampers. The Gardaí are too lackadaisical in their approach to parking enforcement so the city council outsourced the work. Makes perfect sense really.

segaBOY · 03-05-2010 01:24AM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

That's effectively the motivation for employing clampers. The Gardaí are too lackadaisical in their approach to parking enforcement so the city council outsourced the work. Makes perfect sense really.

Are you sure about that?

Nervous Wreck · 03-05-2010 01:42AM

segaBOY wrote: »

Are you sure about that?

Parking enforcement in Dublin stretches only through the city. Outside of a certain radius of the city centre, there is no government body clamping cars. The reasons for clamping being enforced in the city are basically two-fold:

1. The Gardaí are not concerned with parking violations unless such violations are considered to cause danger to the public (parking dangerously etc) or cause interference with the flow of traffic (parking in bus lanes etc). As such, they have no motivation to give out parking tickets in the case of someone not paying their full time in a Pay&Display area or whatever.

and

2. Turnover of parking spaces in the city. To assure that parking spaces are always available in the city, there is a time limit on the amount of time you are allowed park your vehicle in a public space. The city council's clamping service enforces this rule to ensure that there are always spaces available. Cars overstaying their alotted time in a space without paying the full fare are clamped. The money made from this pays the city council to enforce these laws.

segaBOY · 03-05-2010 11:15AM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Parking enforcement in Dublin stretches only through the city. Outside of a certain radius of the city centre, there is no government body clamping cars. The reasons for clamping being enforced in the city are basically two-fold:

1. The Gardaí are not concerned with parking violations unless such violations are considered to cause danger to the public (parking dangerously etc) or cause interference with the flow of traffic (parking in bus lanes etc). As such, they have no motivation to give out parking tickets in the case of someone not paying their full time in a Pay&Display area or whatever.

and

2. Turnover of parking spaces in the city. To assure that parking spaces are always available in the city, there is a time limit on the amount of time you are allowed park your vehicle in a public space. The city council's clamping service enforces this rule to ensure that there are always spaces available. Cars overstaying their alotted time in a space without paying the full fare are clamped. The money made from this pays the city council to enforce these laws.

I see your point and agree with you on most aspects.

The only problem I have is over zealous clampers who show absolutely no liency and take their job to the extreme.

Elessar · 03-05-2010 11:45AM

Private clampers are scum of the earth. Never been clamped but these cowboys are just taking advantage of people's ignorance. There is no law allowing them to obstruct your vehicle.

Put a sign on your windscreen saying "WARNING: This car is private property, any clamps applied will be forcibly removed". Then just cut off the clamp and drive away. Let them take you to court. (hint: they wont)

Mike 1972 · 03-05-2010 11:49AM

I can see a market for car stickers bearing such a message.

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Turnover of parking spaces in the city. To assure that parking spaces are always available in the city, there is a time limit on the amount of time you are allowed park your vehicle in a public space. The city council's clamping service enforces this rule to ensure that there are always spaces available. .

By ensuring that illegally parked vehicles remain there even longer ?

Nervous Wreck · 03-05-2010 01:15PM

segaBOY wrote: »

I see your point and agree with you on most aspects.

The only problem I have is over zealous clampers who show absolutely no liency and take their job to the extreme.

Agreed. Unfortunately, there are prícks in every job. I work in customer service and, believe me, every day is a struggle not to turn into one!

Mike 1972 wrote: »

By ensuring that illegally parked vehicles remain there even longer ?

By ensuring that those who break that law are put out by their own actions, hopefully to the extent that they won't be doing it again. It's clamping or towing. Clamping is more cost-effective.

03-05-2010 01:44PM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Clamping is more cost-effective.

Why not just issue a ticket? Get rid of clamps completely.

thebaz · 03-05-2010 01:48PM

was in Stevens Green yesterday afternoon , nearly half the cars were clamped , i thought it was free parking on a bank holiday ??

great spirit , clamping cars on a summer afternoon , for not displaying up to date tickets , what a lovely country we have become

ArphaRima · 03-05-2010 02:18PM

I always just wonder what it must be like to be absolutely despised by everyone. Absolutely everyone.

Kids are taught at a young age to hate them. Growing up one of the few times I ever saw my parents swear was when they were talking about them.

This is a tradition I would like to keep. Everybody should show nothing but contempt for them. They should teach their children how to have a hatred through them.

I think its almost less shameful to have a daughter be a junkie whore than a private clamper.

Nervous Wreck · 03-05-2010 02:30PM

Can't believe I've gotten myself into this strange position of defending clampers against the general populace... Devil's advocate...

Deleted User wrote: »

Why not just issue a ticket? Get rid of clamps completely.

Probably just easier to keep track of. Anyone who returns to their car to find a ticket could easily go "I never got it, my car wasn't there, it wasn't illegally parked, yada yada yada". With clamping, the fine is recouped straight away and there's no messy paperwork to be filed and bills to be chased at a later date etc. It economises the whole thing. Also, clampers photograph the position of the car and the windscreen to show any paid tickets that may have expired or may not be there etc. It simply makes the most sense.

thebaz wrote: »

was in Stevens Green yesterday afternoon , nearly half the cars were clamped , i thought it was free parking on a bank holiday ??

There's free parking around the city on Sundays (and bank holidays) alright but only in certain areas. On Stephen's Green, Pay and Display still operates between 2pm and 6pm on Sundays and BHs. Nearly got caught out by that myself a while back!

thebaz wrote: »

great spirit , clamping cars on a summer afternoon , for not displaying up to date tickets , what a lovely country we have become

Again I say, don't do the crime if you can't pay the fine.

fluffer wrote: »

I always just wonder what it must be like to be absolutely despised by everyone. Absolutely everyone.

Kids are taught at a young age to hate them. Growing up one of the few times I ever saw my parents swear was when they were talking about them.

This is a tradition I would like to keep. Everybody should show nothing but contempt for them. They should teach their children how to have a hatred through them.

I think its almost less shameful to have a daughter be a junkie whore than a private clamper.

If you reckon kids should be taught to hate like that, you got some serious issues mate.

ArphaRima · 03-05-2010 02:37PM

Yes. But it's a very focused hatred. Not by race, religion, sex, age or nationality. It is a universal thing that transcends all those barriers. It's almost beautiful. Everyone can united in their hatred.

Clampers.
A dirty word dont you think?

Mike 1972 · 03-05-2010 02:43PM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Anyone who returns to their car to find a ticket could easily go "I never got it, my car wasn't there, it wasn't illegally parked, yada yada yada".

In Northern Ireland traffic wardens have overcome this little problem with a simple little invention called the digital camera.

Grumpypants · 03-05-2010 02:53PM

Nervous Wreck · 03-05-2010 03:08PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

In Northern Ireland traffic wardens have overcome this little problem with a simple little invention called the digital camera.

To which I referred when saying that the clampers use them. I then went on to say that clamping is more efficient when collecting fines. It also makes it more likely that people won't try to dodge it as they need their cars unclamped for convenience sake and will pay up and, maaaaaaaybe later try to appeal it.

thebaz · 03-05-2010 05:37PM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Can't believe I've gotten myself into this strange position of defending clampers against the general populace... Devil's advocate...

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why defend them then - they are a foreign owned muti national , making a fortune out of the hard done by Irish public , transfering the profits back to Germany and the States -

After years of fighting for independence we often now, seam too eager to import the more despicable traits from our neighbour

Nervous Wreck · 03-05-2010 07:30PM

thebaz wrote: »

why defend them then - they are a foreign owned muti national , making a fortune out of the hard done by Irish public , transfering the profits back to Germany and the States -

After years of fighting for independence we often now, seam too eager to import the more despicable traits from our neighbour

Are you talking to me or gone mental? Dublin Street Parking Services is an Irish company contracted by Dublin City Council for parking enforcement in Dublin City...

Grumpypants · 03-05-2010 07:55PM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Are you talking to me or gone mental? ...

Best response ever !

Topper Harley · 03-05-2010 08:43PM

Grumpypants wrote: »

Best response ever !

+1

I heard from a guard I know that a few years back there was some issue with the car park in Santry Garda Station (I think it was Santry, may have been somewhere else) so all the guards had to park their cars on the street outside. Sure enough some clampers came along and began clamping all cars without valid pay and display, until the guards noticed what was happening and told them in no uncertain terms that all clamps were to be removed and the clampers were to fcuk off. And it did the trick.

thebaz · 03-05-2010 09:23PM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Are you talking to me or gone mental? Dublin Street Parking Services is an Irish company contracted by Dublin City Council for parking enforcement in Dublin City...

i thought the parent company was German or American ?

anyway still hate them - keep up the love man

Nervous Wreck · 03-05-2010 11:02PM

thebaz wrote: »

i thought the parent company was German or American ?

anyway still hate them - keep up the love man

Nope.

segaBOY · 04-05-2010 12:15AM

Topper Harley wrote: »

+1

I heard from a guard I know that a few years back there was some issue with the car park in Santry Garda Station (I think it was Santry, may have been somewhere else) so all the guards had to park their cars on the street outside. Sure enough some clampers came along and began clamping all cars without valid pay and display, until the guards noticed what was happening and told them in no uncertain terms that all clamps were to be removed and the clampers were to fcuk off. And it did the trick.

Sorry NervousWreck how can you thank this post. Surely the Gardaí were parking illegally?

There is little parking in my workplace but if I parked on the street without paying I'd get clamped. What makes them any different?

This is part of the problem as I see it. As stated in a previous post I saw an off duty Garda park on a double yellow at the top of Grafton street before heading into a shop, if the law enforcers have a disregard for the parking laws why should the general public abide by them?

One extortionate clamping practice for one man, another clamping practice for others...

Nervous Wreck · 04-05-2010 12:42AM

segaBOY wrote: »

Sorry NervousWreck how can you thank this post. Surely the Gardaí were parking illegally?

Oh woops, I just thanked it cos he liked my "have you gone mental" quip. Totally agree with you. Also reinforces what I said about the Gards not giving a crap about parking enforcement.

Edit: Dethanked that post cos, yer right, it did look like I was agreeing with that kinda behaviour!

segaBOY · 04-05-2010 01:32AM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Oh woops, I just thanked it cos he liked my "have you gone mental" quip. Totally agree with you. Also reinforces what I said about the Gards not giving a crap about parking enforcement.

Edit: Dethanked that post cos, yer right, it did look like I was agreeing with that kinda behaviour!

Fair point, it does drive me nuts though that some do whatever the hell they want and then expect the rest of us to abide by such laws.

Btw did your career guidance teacher ever tell you you should do this course?

http://www.training-classes.com/programs/03/61/36164_btec_level_2.php

Joking!! :P

recylingbin · 04-05-2010 01:41AM

Wait.
I pay road tax.
For what reason should I not be allowed to park on the road I pay for, if I'm not causing an obstruction?

Nervous Wreck · 04-05-2010 01:58AM

segaBOY wrote: »

Fair point, it does drive me nuts though that some do whatever the hell they want and then expect the rest of us to abide by such laws.

Btw did your career guidance teacher ever tell you you should do this course?

http://www.training-classes.com/programs/03/61/36164_btec_level_2.php

Joking!! :P

Haw, very good!

Again, it's unfortunately the same in most jobs. I have people working under me in my job and I make them do the crap I don't like doing. Haha.

recylingbin wrote: »

Wait.
I pay road tax.
For what reason should I not be allowed to park on the road I pay for, if I'm not causing an obstruction?

Because everyone else pays road tax too and if everyone just parked where they wanted because "well, I pay road tax, I should be allowed!" then there would be obstructions. Many of them.

recylingbin · 04-05-2010 02:00AM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Haw, very good!

Again, it's unfortunately the same in most jobs. I have people working under me in my job and I make them do the crap I don't like doing. Haha.

Because everyone else pays road tax too and if everyone just parked where they wanted because "well, I pay road tax, I should be allowed!" then there would be obstructions. Many of them.

That's not a very clever assumption to make.

Clamper's, have you been donet?

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