John Higgins match fixing claims

Myrddin · 02-05-2010 12:04PM

fatherbuzcagney wrote: »

if the out come of a sport has been decided and you don't know the result sure what difference does it make to you, you will get the same buzz out of watching it, its like watching a recorded match that you don't know the result off, you will still enjoy watching the recording when you don't know result but thousand of people around the globe will know who won.
he has cheated nobody only made a few quid from the bookies

Call me pretentious, but for me, knowing a match was won fair and square is a LOT different to knowing who won but not sure if the result was fixed. If you didnt have 90 odd posts Id be reporting you for trolling here, as your comments are quite strange to say the least.

MagicMarker · 02-05-2010 12:04PM

This is some crazy ****!

Myrddin · 02-05-2010 12:05PM

zack01 wrote: »

If my calculations are correct Robertson will be number one if he wins the worlds and Higgins is suspended.

Oh yeah ha, I forgot about the point at stake for the final. Well wouldnt that be sweet for Neil, world champion & world number 1

I really hope Hearn can fix this.

Guy:Incognito · 02-05-2010 12:08PM

fatherbuzcagney wrote: »

if the out come of a sport has been decided and you don't know the result sure what difference does it make to you, you will get the same buzz out of watching it, its like watching a recorded match that you don't know the result off, you will still enjoy watching the recording when you don't know result but thousand of people around the globe will know who won.
he has cheated nobody only made a few quid from the bookies

Setting aside the ridiculousness of the rest of the situation, bu what about the punters that lose on it?

Then theres the people who are fans of the sport as a whole and the cheating players specifically.

Penisland · 02-05-2010 12:09PM

fatherbuzcagney wrote: »

sorry penislad , i not into gambling

I’m sorry so. You are just incredibly narrow minded then.

fatherbuzcagney · 02-05-2010 12:14PM

EnterNow wrote: »

Call me pretentious, but for me, knowing a match was won fair and square is a LOT different to knowing who won but not sure if the result was fixed. If you didnt have 90 odd posts Id be reporting you for trolling here, as your comments are quite strange to say the least.

everybody's views on whats fair and square in life are different and especially with regards to sport.

If you knew the outcome of a match or sport and the bookie was still giving you 100/1 on it would you have a bet or would you go to the counter and tell him to suspend them odds cause you knew the result?honest answer please!

fatherbuzcagney · 02-05-2010 12:21PM

Stekelly wrote: »

Setting aside the ridiculousness of the rest of the situation, bu what about the punters that lose on it?

Then theres the people who are fans of the sport as a whole and the cheating players specifically.

Being a fan of a sport and putting you weeks wages on it is where the problem is.

fatherbuzcagney · 02-05-2010 12:23PM

Penisland wrote: »

I’m sorry so. You are just incredibly narrow minded then.

sorry you think im narrow minded as i would think the opposite ,

Penn · 02-05-2010 12:24PM

fatherbuzcagney wrote: »

I think he has committed no wrong doing... He makes a living out of playing snooker and he just decided to do a little nixer on the side to make a few extra quid , The bookies get a little hit but they have the country ruined and also give **** odds and deserve to get punished.

Doing a nixer would be making personal appearances or playing in small tournaments. Throwing frames in a professional snooker match is not a nixer.

Also, the bookies have the country ruined? I'm pretty sure its the bankers, not the bookies.

Guy:Incognito · 02-05-2010 12:26PM

fatherbuzcagney wrote: »

Being a fan of a sport and putting you weeks wages on it is where the problem is.

Being cheated out of a €1 bet is no less being cheated than if the bet is for €500.

blinding · 02-05-2010 12:28PM

Well Higgins and his manager are a pair of planks.

This sort of thing is very bad for the sport as it is an easy sport to "fix" the result.

Two greedy planks have done some serious damage and I hope this costs them plenty of dosh.

blinding · 02-05-2010 12:31PM

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Doing a nixer would be making personal appearances or playing in small tournaments. Throwing frames in a professional snooker match is not a nixer.

Also, the bookies have the country ruined? I'm pretty sure its the bankers, not the bookies.

I think the problem was/is that the bankers became bookies and bookies that were good at backing losers at that.:p

steelcityblues · 02-05-2010 12:33PM

Must admit, he has been my favourite player for a decade or so now!

Sad to hear about this!

fatherbuzcagney · 02-05-2010 12:34PM

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Doing a nixer would be making personal appearances or playing in small tournaments. Throwing frames in a professional snooker match is not a nixer.

Also, the bookies have the country ruined? I'm pretty sure its the bankers, not the bookies.

ok , maybe the nixer was a bad example , he was doing overtime :rolleyes:

as for bankers and bookies, there kinda both the same , they'll both take your money and you have a chance you'll get it back

SD7792 · 02-05-2010 12:41PM

openviews wrote: »

Deeply shocked and saddened for John and the game itself, his snooker career has to be over now and all because of this stupid mistake.

How could you possibly be saddened for John. He has cast a serious doubt over snooker as a sport in the future and possibly ruined it completely. As if it wasn't in bad enough condition already.

fatherbuzcagney wrote: »

I think he has committed no wrong doing... He makes a living out of playing snooker and he just decided to do a little nixer on the side to make a few extra quid , The bookies get a little hit but they have the country ruined and also give **** odds and deserve to get punished.

What he did was completely against the rules. It makes the sport completely pointless if the outcome (or part of it) has already been decided. If Higgins is let away with this, more players will start doing it and the sport will become a shambles. Even though i think the story needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, if it is true, Higgins is an absolute disgrace and should never be allowed to take a cue into his hands EVER again.

Also if Barry Hearn does leave, it might mark the beginning of the end.. The amount of effort he's put into rebuilding snooker since he took over and just when it looks like we are turning a corner and now this happens. Very sad day for snooker.

Hopefully Neil Robertson will thrash Dott to make some better headlines tomorrow :P

SD7792 · 02-05-2010 12:44PM

fatherbuzcagney wrote: »

everybody's views on whats fair and square in life are different and especially with regards to sport.

If you knew the outcome of a match or sport and the bookie was still giving you 100/1 on it would you have a bet or would you go to the counter and tell him to suspend them odds cause you knew the result?honest answer please!

You would put a bet on it definitely. But if you knew the outcome of a match would you watch it? No. Therefore what's the point in the sport?

mike65 · 02-05-2010 12:48PM

Newstalk have John Virgo on now.

fatherbuzcagney · 02-05-2010 12:49PM

SD7792 wrote: »

You would put a bet on it definitely. But if you knew the outcome of a match would you watch it? No. Therefore what's the point in the sport?

so you would agree to cheating yourself by taking money from the bookmaker from knowing a result and betting on it but criticize higgens for using his talent to make a few quid from them,

SD7792 · 02-05-2010 12:50PM

Also, sorry for the multiple posts but after a tournament where we've seen such fantastic honesty such as Fergal O'Brien calling a foul on himself which didn't seem to be a foul or Mark Selby yesterday making a tough shot even tougher for himself by telling Jan Verhaas to move the ball in some more and now this happens.

It's a disgrace how after so much fantastic honesty and sportsmanship and now one fool comes along and potentially ruins the sport.

FortuneChip · 02-05-2010 12:52PM

fatherbuzcagney wrote: »

so you would agree to cheating yourself by taking money from the bookmaker from knowing a result and betting on it but criticize higgens for using his talent to make a few quid from them,

Well, nobody is expecting us non-pros to show integrity!

mark renton · 02-05-2010 12:52PM

fatherbuzcagney wrote: »

ok , maybe the nixer was a bad example , he was doing overtime :rolleyes:

as for bankers and bookies, there kinda both the same , they'll both take your money and you have a chance you'll get it back

anyone can be a bookie - if PaddyPower took your money and never gave it back then dont give it to him again

bookies and bankers and John Higgins all have one thing in common - making money, the bankers got caught, John got caught, and if PaddyPower ever feels the urge to return moneys before the police go knocking on his door then he will have a very large queue to deal with

really the only people here that John was hurting was the bookies, so what!! a frame here and there wouldnt have killed anyone

unlucky John

Pj! · 02-05-2010 12:53PM

SD7792 · 02-05-2010 12:55PM

fatherbuzcagney wrote: »

so you would agree to cheating yourself by taking money from the bookmaker from knowing a result and betting on it but criticize higgens for using his talent to make a few quid from them,

I think i misinterpreted your question. I would never encourage cheating. I assumed from your question that the outcome of the match was common knowledge. But of course i wouldn't pay someone to throw a frame.

Also, Higgins is not 'using his talent', he is full blown cheating. And its not a 'few quid' either. Its a 1/4 of a million?

ALSO: Interview with Barry Hearn here.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/snooker/8656742.stm

Holy Diver · 02-05-2010 01:00PM

Seems this could be the tip of an iceberg that we may never see the full extent of.

What's very concerning is how it is said that scores such as 5-3 can be arranged to fill out TV schedules. Seems also that both players in a given match could be involved in this.

Permabear · 02-05-2010 01:02PM

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openviews · 02-05-2010 01:04PM

SD7792 wrote: »

How could you possibly be saddened for John. He has cast a serious doubt over snooker as a sport in the future and possibly ruined it completely. As if it wasn't in bad enough condition already.

What he did was completely against the rules. It makes the sport completely pointless if the outcome (or part of it) has already been decided. If Higgins is let away with this, more players will start doing it and the sport will become a shambles. Even though i think the story needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, if it is true, Higgins is an absolute disgrace and should never be allowed to take a cue into his hands EVER again.

Also if Barry Hearn does leave, it might mark the beginning of the end.. The amount of effort he's put into rebuilding snooker since he took over and just when it looks like we are turning a corner and now this happens. Very sad day for snooker.

Hopefully Neil Robertson will thrash Dott to make some better headlines tomorrow :P

I feel sad for John because his snooker career (barring a brilliant lawyer or explanation) is over and all that he has achieved in the sport is now either gone or tarnished because of his stupidity and greed.

He could like Quinten Hann after his scandal join the pool circuit but in terms of snooker he wont even be asked back to commentate never mind play again.

Hes still a relatively young man with a young family and if hes willing to put them and his whole career (whilst No1 in the world) in jeopardy for £300k then as I said he is either very stupid or hes not as rich as people seem to think he is.

Dancor · 02-05-2010 01:09PM

Ive always been a fan of Higgins. Im very dissapointed by this.

Penisland · 02-05-2010 01:10PM

openviews wrote: »

He could like Quinten Hann after his scandal join the pool circuit but in terms of snooker he wont even be asked back to commentate never mind play again.

Ye that’s a good point about the commentary.......seems like most of the "elder players" need to do commentary to keep cash coming in!

SD7792 · 02-05-2010 01:11PM

openviews wrote: »

I feel sad for John because his snooker career (barring a brilliant lawyer or explanation) is over and all that he has achieved in the sport is now either gone or tarnished because of his stupidity and greed.

He could like Quinten Hann after his scandal join the pool circuit but in terms of snooker he wont even be asked back to commentate never mind play again.

Hes still a relatively young man with a young family and if hes willing to put them and his whole career (whilst No1 in the world) in jeopardy for £300k then as I said he is either very stupid or hes not as rich as people seem to think he is.

I still don't agree with you feeling sorry for John because it was entirely his fault (or so it seems). But completely agree with you on the last part, I think he deserves whatever he gets at this stage.

fatherbuzcagney · 02-05-2010 01:12PM

SD7792 wrote: »

I think i misinterpreted your question. I would never encourage cheating. I assumed from your question that the outcome of the match was common knowledge. But of course i wouldn't pay someone to throw a frame.

Also, Higgins is not 'using his talent', he is full blown cheating. And its not a 'few quid' either. Its a 1/4 of a million?

ALSO: Interview with Barry Hearn here.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/snooker/8656742.stm

you still would take the bookies money even though its not a fair playing pitch as you know the result of an event (which is a cheating of sorts).....im not saying that you encourage cheating in sport ...... i just think that there is alot of 'goody good two shoes' on boards , but they would take an unfair advantage of something or someone and think its wrong for someone else to do it....

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