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Teacher cleared of trying to kill pupil with dumb-bell

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    jujibee wrote: »
    "A science teacher who bludgeoned an unruly pupil with a 3kg dumb-bell while shouting "die, die, die" was cleared yesterday of trying to murder the boy."

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/teacher-cleared-of-trying-to-kill-pupil-with-dumbbell-2159779.html

    I am not sure whether to laugh or to cry at this article.

    Is hitting someone over the head yelling "die, die, die" not an indicator you want them dead?
    I would have thought so, yes!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭TanG411


    That is German for 'The, The, The'.

    No case for murder in that regard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭schween


    I guess they won't be taunting him again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭Wazdakka


    Article wrote:
    A science teacher who bludgeoned an unruly pupil with a 3kg dumb-bell while shouting "die, die, die" was cleared yesterday of trying to murder the boy.

    Jurors took less than two hours to acquit Peter Harvey, 50, of attempted murder and grievous bodily harm with intent. The four-day trial at Nottingham Crown Court was told the father of two teenage girls - one of whom has Asperger's syndrome - was a "caring and giving man" who was frequently tormented by pupils before the attack.

    After the verdicts, Judge Michael Stokes QC, who had earlier questioned the decision to prosecute the teacher, said "common sense has prevailed". He said Mr Harvey would not be imprisoned or face a suspended jail term when he returns for sentencing on 21 May.

    The teacher never denied assaulting the boy and his case hinged on the argument that, already mentally ill, he was driven to breaking point by an unruly class of badly behaved pupils at All Saints' Roman Catholic School in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, last July.

    Mr Harvey, who admitted causing grievous bodily harm without intent, told police he felt as if he was watching himself on television as he beat his 14-year-old victim twice about the head. The teenager suffered a fractured skull and spent five days in hospital but has since recovered.

    The defendant returned to teaching shortly before the assault after having time off for stress, the court heard. He spent eight months on remand and was given bail just before the trial.

    Judge Stokes said: "Common sense has prevailed now we have heard all the evidence. These are not easy cases and it is plainly in the public interest where an event of this nature takes place in a school that the jury representing the public should consider the level of guilt ... This court is looking to impose a community order which will assist you with the problems you have had."

    Mr Harvey's lawyers said he had struggled to help his wife, Samantha, cope with a depressive illness that forced her to quit her own teaching job. He went to school on the day of the attack with the intention of taking his year nine class through a practical experiment on melting ice. The lesson descended into chaos when some pupils goaded Mr Harvey so that a girl who was secretly using a camcorder could record his reactions in a ploy to humiliate him. It was claimed the footage was meant to be passed around the school.

    The teacher first kicked the bag of a girl who was playing with the window blinds in the classroom. Rex Tedd QC, for the defence, said Mr Harvey admitted that he should have summoned a senior staff member to help at this point, but continued with the lesson instead.

    The 14-year-old boy, who was known for being disruptive in class, then began waving a wooden metre rule and was chased around the room by Mr Harvey, whom he told to "**** off".

    Mr Harvey grabbed the student by the collar, dragged him into a side room and beat him with the dumb-bell, leaving him bleeding and semi-conscious.

    In an interview with detectives, Mr Harvey said his memory of the incident was hazy but he thought he had killed the boy. He said: "I can't remember it too well but I do recall it was like watching it on television, like it was not actually happening to me. I can remember the boy saying '**** off' and when that happened I was not really there.

    "We went through the door into the prep room and I remember standing over him with this metal weight and I remember hitting him twice. Something happened and I'm sure I dropped it. I remember feeling really peaceful."

    Explaining how he saw his reflection in a screen while awaiting questioning at a police station, Mr Harvey added: "It was me but it was horrible me. I wanted to destroy it but I couldn't get my hands up so I headbutted it. I just kept seeing the boy's head, with me hitting it twice. I kept seeing it all the time and I thought I had killed him."

    Mr Tedd told jurors that by the time of the assault, Mr Harvey was in such a state he could not have intended to kill or seriously harm the pupil.

    During the trial, a former pupil who appeared as a character witness described Mr Harvey, who had taught at All Saints' for 16 years, as a talented and enthusiastic teacher. Caroline Frith said he had inspired her to become a history teacher after she left the school in 2004. "He was a very good teacher in every aspect," she added. "He was incredibly charismatic and he commanded the respect of his students."

    Chris Keates, leader of the National Association of Schoolmasters/Union of Women Teachers, said after the hearing: "Any teacher who has been following [this case] will recognise that if you come together with such an explosive combination of events, circumstances like this can actually occur."
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭spinandscribble


    charming, so as long as you've idiots in your class and your "mentally ill" you can beat them in the head with a weight? He doesn't even get a slap on the wrists. I keep looking for the part of the article where it says he's fired and cant be teaching again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭schween


    charming, so as long as you've idiots in your class and your "mentally ill" you can beat them in the head with a weight? He doesn't even get a slap on the wrists. I keep looking for the part of the article where it says he's fired and cant be teaching again.

    He's going to be sentenced for grievous bodily harm without intention to kill at a later date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭RichTea


    Larkin91 wrote: »
    That is German for 'The, The, The'.

    No case for murder in that regard.

    Phonetically at least it's also the Italian equivalent of C'mon or let's go! He was clearly just motivating his student. Well done sir.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Larkin91 wrote: »
    That is German for 'The, The, The'.

    No case for murder in that regard.

    I'm afraid not your honour.

    In the case of Terwilliger vs Simpson (1993) it was shown that the "Die/The" defense can only be applied if the threat is presented in written form. Motive is clearly understood when phrase is spoken/screamed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,924 ✭✭✭✭RolandIRL


    the teacher was trying to show the principle of conservation of momentum...
    i hit you with this dumbell, your head goes that way....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Deja vu...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭Sean Quagmire


    Rex Tedd QC

    What a name, I know who my lawyer will be when beat the **** out of some punk on the street


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭kelle


    This would never have happened had that "victim" been a good student. He was disruptive and said "F**k off" to his teacher - he should not have been allowed in the school if he always exhibited such behaviour. His parents have a lot to answer for too.

    There are no happy endings here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭gravityisalie


    RichTea wrote: »
    Phonetically at least it's also the Italian equivalent of C'mon or let's go! He was clearly just motivating his student. Well done sir.
    :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Larkin91 wrote: »
    That is German for 'The, The, The'.
    .

    Exactly.

    Being penalized for having a stutter? Trust the Brits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭--LOS--


    jujibee wrote: »

    Is hitting someone over the head yelling "die, die, die" not an indicator you want them dead?

    Maybe he was a Misfits fan :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Fukuyama


    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/teacher-cleared-of-trying-to-kill-pupil-with-dumbbell-2159779.html

    Anybody else remember having a teacher like this? There were two in my school. One left the other is still there. Suprised he hasn't don something similar.

    Court was right not to sentence him IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Dungbell? Don't you mean sh1tstick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,924 ✭✭✭✭RolandIRL




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    And a third time (well, the first): http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61067212


    I come from a family of teachers - my mom suffered from severe depression, and left the profession; and my dad only went back this week after 6 months of with stress/depression. My aunties and uncles are/were all teachers and have suffered the same.


    People think teaching's easy. It's not by any means. I don't blame Peter Harvey at all; he'd just returned to work and the little scumbags deliberately wound him up - he wasn't in a stable frame of mind - the senior staff and the students should take responsibility.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭RustyBeanTin




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    brummytom wrote: »
    And a third time (well, the first): http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61067212


    I come from a family of teachers - my mom suffered from severe depression, and left the profession; and my dad only went back this week after 6 months of with stress/depression. My aunties and uncles are/were all teachers and have suffered the same.


    People think teaching's easy. It's not by any means. I don't blame Peter Harvey at all; he'd just returned to work and the little scumbags deliberately wound him up - he wasn't in a stable frame of mind - the senior staff and the students should take responsibility.

    When I was 11, me and two other kids were taken from a class from acting the bollox.

    We were just outside the head's office and the principal (female) was shouting at us and we got a fit of the giggles and just couldn't stop.

    Another teacher walking past in the corridor heard us and starting roaring and belting the heads of us.

    We were all shocked and long story short, an ambulance was called and he was sectioned. He had a complete nervous breakdown.

    I wouldn't be a teacher for love nor money, you'd need nerves of steel and the patience of a saint.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Tail Wagger


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    When I was 11, me and two other kids were taken from a class from acting the bollox.

    We were just outside the head's office and the principal (female) was shouting at us and we got a fit of the giggles and just couldn't stop.

    Another teacher walking past in the corridor heard us and starting roaring and belting the heads of us.

    We were all shocked and long story short, an ambulance was called and was sectioned. Total nervous breakdown he had.

    I wouldn't be a teacher for love nor money.

    So thats where you got your handle from?

    Honestly who in their right mind's could put up with a class of 13 - 18 year old lads with attitudes and big chips on their shoulders?... I certainly couldn't, I'd be afraid of myself and how I'd cope..

    but good luck to those who do it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭Nuggles


    I could never teach. Kids can be absolute bollocks.

    I'd be beating them before the first break..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,194 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    I love how people are calling the kid a little prick, sure most of us were like that!

    I was mainly a swot, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,194 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    When I was 11, me and two other kids were taken from a class from acting the bollox.

    We were just outside the head's office and the principal (female) was shouting at us and we got a fit of the giggles and just couldn't stop.

    Another teacher walking past in the corridor heard us and starting roaring and belting the heads of us.

    We were all shocked and long story short, an ambulance was called and he was sectioned. He had a complete nervous breakdown.

    I wouldn't be a teacher for love nor money, you'd need nerves of steel and the patience of a saint.

    I bet you sat at the back of the class :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭Nuggles


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    I love how people are calling the kid a little prick, sure most of us were like that!

    I was mainly a swot, though.


    Oh no. Most weren't like that.

    Those who were like that in my class are total bums now. With no future.

    I think a good smack would have helped them out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 420 ✭✭whiteboy


    lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    I bet you sat at the back of the class :D

    Yes :o

    Honest to God, you just reminded me.

    When I was 16 & 17 I used to listen to the Gerry Ryan show at the back of the class :D

    I just remembered that.

    I had a radio in my pocket and I ran an in-ear headphone cable up my shirt and then down my sleeve.

    I just put it in the palm of my hand and leaned on my elbow while staring at the blackboard or the teacher :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    I love how people are calling the kid a little prick, sure most of us were like that!

    I was mainly a swot, though.
    I'm a little cunt in lessons, but I still know where to draw the line


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