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Buying a toy..advice please..

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  • #2
    Andrew33
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Andrew33


    Late model MX5. It'll run rings around them others for handling.


  • #3
    Eoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,257 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    You'd get a very nice e46 330ci and have a big chunk of change left. In fact, you'd get a nice e46 M3 convertible for that money, but running costs and servicing won't be cheap.


  • #4
    ondarack
    Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭ondarack


    For me it'd be between the merc and the porche, wouldnt be sold on convertibles though.


  • #5
    pcardin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭pcardin


    SL would be my choice but that one is heavily overpriced. Carzone is a site for sellers-dreamers. :mad:


  • #6
    The Recliner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,630 ✭✭✭The Recliner


    Whilst all the cars you have listed are nice you cannot go wrong with the MX-5 for the criteria you have listed, it ticks all the boxes

    It is a fantastic car, so much fun, a joy to drive


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  • #7
    Wossack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,026 ✭✭✭Wossack


    elise and spend the change on track days


  • #8
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Wossack wrote: »
    elise and spend the change on track days
    Spot on!


  • #9
    podgee
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭podgee


    Thanks for the MX5 suggestions - and of course you are right in terms of handling and having spare change. I've had two of them previously and the only reason I excluded them was I want something with a bit of grunt. If the car was exclusively for twisty turny stuff, then the Mazda would be a no brainer.

    Anything obvious I'm not including ?


  • #10
    KamiKazi
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    podgee wrote: »
    I am looking to buy a toy and would like some help. Criteria is:
    - convertible - check :D
    - reasonably quick - check
    - < Eur25k - check
    - won't cost an arm and leg in the garage - check

    07r6_red_4_8df5a0f4.jpg

    :pac:


  • #11
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    podgee wrote: »
    Anything obvious I'm not including ?

    So are you excluding the Elise completely? It's a completely different animal than the MX-5 and you wont get better value for your money...

    Fast
    Cheap to run
    Cheap to insure
    Cheap to tax
    Wont depreciate as fast as the other suggestions

    For your budget, there's a few 111r's for sale at the moment!


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  • #12
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    possible other choices

    http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1580541.htm
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Westfield/SE/i-W-1800/200930194709542/advert?channel=CARS
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/TVR/Tuscan/SPEED-6/200952196278252/advert?channel=CARS

    Or an AC Cobra...


  • #13
    podgee
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭podgee


    steve06 wrote: »
    So are you excluding the Elise completely? It's a completely different animal than the MX-5 and you wont get better value for your money...

    Fast
    Cheap to run
    Cheap to insure
    Cheap to tax
    Wont depreciate as fast as the other suggestions

    For your budget, there's a few 111r's for sale at the moment!

    Thanks Steve - I can't disagree with any of the above, I'm just not that mad about them...

    Your depreciation comment "Wont depreciate as fast as the other suggestions" - with what I suggested, do you not think the lions share of the depreciation hit has already been taken ? Interested in your opinion.

    Thanks


  • #14
    podgee
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭podgee


    steve06 wrote: »
    possible other choices

    http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1580541.htm
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Westfield/SE/i-W-1800/200930194709542/advert?channel=CARS
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/TVR/Tuscan/SPEED-6/200952196278252/advert?channel=CARS

    Or an AC Cobra...

    I like the spider - VRT according to ROS would be 10.4k though. The Westfield would be the business but its the sort of car you'd use for an hour every second Sunday I think. I'd like to get a bit more use than that. The TVR...let's just say it's an acquired taste

    Now the Cobra idea........that's worth considering..

    Thanks


  • #15
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    podgee wrote: »
    do you not think the lions share of the depreciation hit has already been taken ? Interested in your opinion.

    These cars drop constantly, and will remain to do so. It doesn't matter about the year of the cars you're looking at and how much their worth compared to the new price. Look what older versions are worth - they're just as much fun with a different reg.

    Boxster - you can pick up a 98 2.5 for under 8k

    350z - you'll get a 2002 for 10k

    Z4 -a 2003 2.4 can be got for around 11k and I recently say a 3.0 which didn't even sell at auction with the highest bid being only 9,400

    SL - 600 or not, it's not worth that money and you wont be able to sell it for half that in a year or 2


  • #16
    Tea 1000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Tea 1000


    steve06 wrote: »
    These cars drop constantly, and will remain to do so. It doesn't matter about the year of the cars you're looking at and how much their worth compared to the new price. Look what older versions are worth - they're just as much fun with a different reg.

    Boxster - you can pick up a 98 2.5 for under 8k

    350z - you'll get a 2002 for 10k

    Z4 -a 2003 2.4 can be got for around 11k and I recently say a 3.0 which didn't even sell at auction with the highest bid being only 9,400

    SL - 600 or not, it's not worth that money and you wont be able to sell it for half that in a year or 2
    The original 2.5 is a good way off a fresher S, but you can still pick up an S a couple of years older for less than 15k.
    The Z4 you're comparing to is a normal one, that one the OP posted says it's the M roadster. Doesn't look like one, but I haven't seen enough to judge, but if it's a genuine M Roadster then that's why it'll always be a lot dearer than a normal one. I think the M Roadster has a 3.2, so wondering why that says 2.9.
    The SL 600 is not the car to buy if you're worried about running costs!!
    I'd go for the Boxter S.


  • #17
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Tea 1000 wrote: »
    The original 2.5 is a good way off a fresher S, but you can still pick up an S a couple of years older for less than 15k.
    That was my point, I'm just pointing out the depreciation.
    Tea 1000 wrote: »
    that one the OP posted says it's the M roadster. Doesn't look like one, but I haven't seen enough to judge, but if it's a genuine M Roadster then that's why it'll always be a lot dearer than a normal one. I think the M Roadster has a 3.2, so wondering why that says 2.9.
    I knew what it was advertised as, but sure you can stick an M badge on anything. I'm not sure if it's real or not.


  • #18
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Another option:

    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Honda/S2000/CABRIOLE/201013197401301/advert?channel=CARS


    For that money you could get a very quick car. Personally I'd probably be looking at the M3 or Boxster S. A Z4M would be sweet but you wont get near one for 25k.


  • #19
    Lurching
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Lurching


    With that money, for me, id have an E46 M3 sitting in my drive in the morning.
    Servicing costs arent the lowest, but a car at that age, some of the stuff could be done away from main stealers.

    If you'd stretch a few grand more, an ultimate car would be a lotus exige. That would be like an upgrade to your old MX5.


  • #20
    Marty McFly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭Marty McFly


    What about a honda s2000?

    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Honda/S2000/CABRIOLE/201013197401301/advert?channel=CARS


    Oops beaten to it:D


  • #21
    Viper_JB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Viper_JB


    Boxter S or M3 convertable all the way.


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  • #22
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,202 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    lads thats definately a z4m, and as such wins the thread ;)

    you should be able to pick up a higher mileage 987 boxster for the budget aswell?

    to be fair an mx5 isnt in the same company as a z4m or boxster s good and all as it is


  • #23
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,202 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Tea 1000 wrote: »
    The original 2.5 is a good way off a fresher S, but you can still pick up an S a couple of years older for less than 15k.
    The Z4 you're comparing to is a normal one, that one the OP posted says it's the M roadster. Doesn't look like one, but I haven't seen enough to judge, but if it's a genuine M Roadster then that's why it'll always be a lot dearer than a normal one. I think the M Roadster has a 3.2, so wondering why that says 2.9.
    The SL 600 is not the car to buy if you're worried about running costs!!
    I'd go for the Boxter S.

    just to clarify its definately an m, there was apparently a mix up when it was registered in ireland (its a uk car i think) whereby it got registered as a 3.0 litre, but im not sure why it doesnt look like the z4m to you, the wheels, front bumper, skirts and quad exhausts tell the tale :)


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cyrus wrote: »
    lads thats definately a z4m, and as such wins the thread ;)

    Thats a very good price for a Z4M. You would be talking 20k sterling+ before VRT (which will be around 13k euro on a 2006) if importing one.


  • #25
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,202 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Martin Raspy Reversal wrote: »
    Thats a very good price for a Z4M. You would be talking 20k sterling+ before VRT (which will be around 13k euro on a 2006) if importing one.

    yep thats been the way for a while on z4s, i had a z4coupe, the 3.0si version, and mine sold for a lot less than the equivalent imported one


  • #26
    podgee
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭podgee


    Cyrus wrote: »
    just to clarify its definately an m, there was apparently a mix up when it was registered in ireland (its a uk car i think) whereby it got registered as a 3.0 litre, but im not sure why it doesnt look like the z4m to you, the wheels, front bumper, skirts and quad exhausts tell the tale :)

    The "mix up" sounds ominous - is it enough to steer clear ?

    P.


  • #27
    ianobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭ianobrien


    podgee wrote: »
    The "mix up" sounds ominous - is it enough to steer clear ?

    P.

    I can give you an example of a "mix up" that happened when registering a camper involving reg numbers, chassis numbers, engine numbers and model numbers getting mixed up....


  • #28
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I would say there were a lot of "mix ups" when Glanza turbos were being registered also :D!!


  • #29
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,202 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    podgee wrote: »
    The "mix up" sounds ominous - is it enough to steer clear ?

    P.

    not sure, have a read here and make your own minds up :)

    http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14853&highlight=maxwell


  • #30
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I wouldn't touch it unless the garage registered it properly. Otherwise you have issues with insurance and the VRO can come to reclaim extra VRT that wasn't paid on registration.


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  • #31
    2 Espressi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭2 Espressi


    BUY A TVR!

    That is all.

    2.


  • #32
    ToxicPaddy
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,763 Mod ✭✭✭✭ToxicPaddy


    Dont TVR's have a terrible reputation for reliability?


  • #33
    Atomic Pineapple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    ToxicPaddy wrote: »
    Dont TVR's have a terrible reputation for reliability?

    If its a weekend toy then who cares!!


  • #34
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    ToxicPaddy wrote: »
    Dont TVR's have a terrible reputation for reliability?
    So do women, I mean they break down once a month but we still like them!


  • #35
    podgee
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭podgee


    Cyrus wrote: »
    not sure, have a read here and make your own minds up :)

    http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14853&highlight=maxwell

    Cyrus, if I ever meet you, I owe you a well earned pint. Of the four listed, that was what I was going for.

    Thanks,
    P.


  • #36
    podgee
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭podgee


    Any opinion or advice on the Boxster (a 987 I think) that lambe & o Connor have then www.loc.ie. ?

    Thanks
    P

    ps I have licked my wounds and got over the z4 disappointment !


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  • #37
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    podgee wrote: »
    Any opinion or advice on the Boxster (a 987 I think) that lambe & o Connor have then www.loc.ie. ?

    Thanks
    P

    ps I have licked my wounds and got over the z4 disappointment !

    Both look nice, the blue one is nicer, outside, but I much prefer the silver one, inside..........so I'd probably buy the boring silver. I dunno why people who buy such cars make such awful ext colour choices.......

    The only thing I'd add is, you say you need something that won't cost an arm and a leg in the garage. Not saying the Boxster will, mind, but it won't be cheap, either. Same goes for the BeeEmm/TVR etc type suggestions. I have a (much) older Porsche, and an MX-5. The '5 actually drives much, much nicer.

    It all depends how much use you're going to get out of it: if it's occasional, the big tax on the Boxster will infuriate you (and which is another vote in favour of the silver over the blue one...). If you use it a lot, it's not such a big deal.

    An MX-5, otoh, won't bug you as much if you don't use it that often, as it's a very very cheap car to own and run. I wouldn't be spending anything like 25k on one, though......

    Note I'm keeping to your preferences for a convertible: which I agree with, btw.......

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #38
    Teddy Daniels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭Teddy Daniels


    s2000 is the way to go.


  • #39
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Teddy Daniels wrote: »
    s2000 is the way to go.


    ....probably the best combination of Porsche performance and Mazda reliability. Ticks both boxes. Looks fab, too.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #40
    frex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭frex


    podgee wrote: »
    I am looking to buy a toy and would like some help. Criteria is:
    - convertible
    - reasonably quick
    - < Eur25k
    - won't cost an arm and leg in the garage

    Searching Carzone I've found the following all of which I like. Any opinions on any of these cars or is there something I'm obviously missing ??

    Boxster: http://www.carzone.ie/search/Porsche/Boxster/S-(HIGH-/201012197312334/advert?channel=CARS
    SL: http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mercedes-Benz/SL-Class/SL-600-V/201011197240267/advert?channel=CARS
    Z4: http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/Z4/M-Roadst/200951196241785/advert?channel=CARS
    350: http://www.carzone.ie/search/Nissan/350Z/Stunning/201013197415929/advert?channel=CARS


    All advice welcome !

    P.


    Having driven/owned all of the following, my order of preference is:

    350z (current car)
    E36 coupe (previous car)

    SL
    Lotus Elise
    Z4
    Boxster S
    MX-5

    In an sexist way, I also rank these from "least to most girlie" in this order (in other words, you tend to see more girls driving them than guys).

    TVR's are 100% "man-cars"....its named after a guy called Trevor! You can't beat that!

    If €25k is your limit and you're not afraid of using the spanners now and then or high milers, get yourself an old Porsche 911!! If I had that cash for my car, I'd get one in a heartbeat, hands-down!! There's a few on autotrader right now. Go early 90's in black, just like "Bad Boys". Awesome!


  • #41
    pajero12
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭pajero12


    Jesus them porshe interiors are terrible!


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  • #42
    frex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭frex


    pajero12 wrote: »
    Jesus them porshe interiors are terrible!

    ah here, if its interiors you're into, try those fake room setups in Ikea and mix and match some curtains for the weekend.

    Yer man wants a toy and the 911 is arguably one of the purest lineages of sports car ever made. I doubt he'll be worrying that he's missing a cup holder or that the glovebox doesnt neatly accommodate a set of curling tongs in one of them.


  • #43
    what recession?
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭what recession?


    these would be something alone the lines of what I personally would choose, some of which are slightly odd choices for weekend cars, ha.

    Maserati 4200 Cabrio
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Maserati/4200/4.2-Cabr/201017197824586/advert?channel=CARS

    SL500 - it's no 600, but this model is one of my all time favourite cabrios
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mercedes-Benz/SL-Class/201017197809807/advert?channel=CARS

    BMW 645i coupé/cabrio
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/6-Series/645-CI/201011197250573/advert?channel=CARS
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/6-Series/645i-Cab/201014197544798/advert?channel=CARS

    CLS 500/350 - no, not your typical 'weekend car' but i love them. :P
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mercedes-Benz/CLS-Class/500-04DR/201008197070325/advert?channel=CARS
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mercedes-Benz/CLS-Class/350--AUT/201008197063726/advert?channel=CARS

    Range Rover 4.2 Supercharged (totally overpriced and you'd probably only be able to afford enough petrol to drive it two days a week, perfect weekend car haha)
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Land-Rover/Range-Rover/4.2-Supe/201013197459730/advert?channel=CARS

    BMW M3 Coupe - lovely colour
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/M3/3.2-Nav-/201017197788716/advert?channel=CARS

    BMW M3 Cabrio (slightly over budget)
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/M3/M3-CABRI/201009197104410/advert?channel=CARS

    BMW 840i - if you're looking for something special that's underbudget, flashy and that basically nobody has then you can't go wrong with this.
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/8-Series/4.0-V8-C/200822188957858/advert?channel=CARS

    Hope you like some of these. :P


  • #44
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,874 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    steve06 wrote: »
    possible other choices

    http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1580541.htm
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Westfield/SE/i-W-1800/200930194709542/advert?channel=CARS
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/TVR/Tuscan/SPEED-6/200952196278252/advert?channel=CARS

    Or an AC Cobra...

    Steve has impeccable taste.


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