We 'do not want to deal with black staff'

uncleoswald · 26-04-2010 04:09PM

TheInquisitor wrote: »

How were they walking all over him?

I was actually referring to you getting barred from pubs because you were Irish. Good for you that you weren't offended. I don't think I would have exactly been offended either but that's not to say I find that behaviour in anyway acceptable. And I find it down right odd that your post suggested that taking racism on the chin was a mark of bravery, hence the reference to Rosa Parks, someone with true cojones.

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Undoubtedly these people were incredibly racist by not wanting black people to serve them but how is that "walking all over him"?

The hotel, by bowing to the request, allowed this family to walk all over him. And while no doubt he is taking advantage of the situation it is also the best way to punish the hotel by hitting them in the pocket and denting their reputation.

Guy:Incognito · 26-04-2010 04:24PM

Blobby George wrote: »

Are you for real? The guy is obviously going to suffer from esteem issues after such blatant discrimination. This could be a slippery slope to severe depression. What you describe sounds more like a gentle bit of joking around.

So it's ok to discriminate as long as it's only the Irish?

therecklessone · 26-04-2010 04:28PM

I hope the hotel gets taken to the cleaners for employing a manager so colossally stupid as to enter that sort of info into a hotel computer system.

WTF was he thinking? "It's OK, darkies be too stoopid to read"?

poisonated · 26-04-2010 04:41PM

Was the manager fired?

I do agree that you do get some racism directed towards you from bouncers if you are Irish in a foreign country. This being said, people usualy do love you if you are Irish.

It is hard to believe that some people are still so narrow minded.

ScumLord · 26-04-2010 04:48PM

poisonated wrote: »

Was the manager fired?

I do agree that you do get some racism directed towards you from bouncers if you are Irish in a foreign country.

Where?!! Me and a friend were in Manchester a few years ago stood outside a nightclub having a chat with the bouncer telling us we should visit this other pub because the IRA blew it up, he wasn't 2nd gen Irish or anything.

I've never really been hassled for being Irish, got a few digs but there's nothing wrong with that whereas I've seen the English turned away and beaten up on many occasions. We're universally loved outside of Ireland even though we're probably ten times worse than any American or English tourists could ever be.

Dudess · 26-04-2010 04:54PM

ScumLord wrote: »

even though we're probably ten times worse than any American or English tourists could ever be.

How? And so what if that English bouncer was nice to you as an Irish person - I'm sure the majority are - but that doesn't mean Irish people haven't experienced the discrimination mentioned.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 26-04-2010 04:55PM

TheInquisitor wrote: »

There's racism and then there's people really milking it. When people told me in england never to go back to a pub because I was Irish i wasn't offended. In fact im surprised it doesnt happen more often. People really need to grow a pair of balls build a bridge and get over it. **** Happens

Everybody is effected differently. The "I was in that scenario and I didn't react that way" is a joke of an arguement. Why is it so popular? I do not know.

poisonated · 26-04-2010 04:56PM

A few of us got it in Montpellier a few years ago. One of the bouncers said he wasn't letting us in cause we were Irish. He did change after a while though once we started chattin 2 him.

ScumLord · 26-04-2010 04:58PM

Dudess wrote: »

How? And so what if that bouncer was nice to you - I'm sure the majority are - but that doesn't mean Irish people haven't experienced the discrimination mentioned.

Loud, obnoxious, drunkards, don't learn the language or care about the local culture, we used to flash the cash thinking it made us important, no respect for just about anything when we are drunk, won't eat the local food, only go to Irish bars.

brummytom · 26-04-2010 04:58PM

Obviously the family was disgustingly in the wrong, but I think the manager's more to blame here - the family made a ludicrous request, but he didn't have to (and shouldn't) have pandered to it.

Dudess · 26-04-2010 05:03PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Loud, obnoxious, drunkards, don't learn the language or care about the local culture, we used to flash the cash thinking it made us important, no respect for just about anything when we are drunk, won't eat the local food, only go to Irish bars.

Jesus, way to bow down to stereotypes of us. Some posts on AH really remind me of the leprechaun guy in The Simpsons: "Tis many a baitin' I took - ah but shur 'twas all in good fun..."

And what you've listed is very much applicable to some British tourists, but "we're" worse?

Zapho · 26-04-2010 05:07PM

Mr Tranchant, a US citizen, was so offended he has sought medical and psychological help, according to the court papers.

Ok fair enough, the man is doing the right thing by sueing because of this Civil Rights violation. Thats completely understandable and I'm 100% on his side.

But seaking medical and psychological help? COME ON! He just trying to squeeze every penny out of this. He already had the moral upper hand, why bring it right back down again?

ScumLord · 26-04-2010 05:09PM

Dudess wrote: »

Jesus, way to bow down to stereotypes of us. Some posts on AH really remind me of the leprechaun guy in The Simpsons: "Tis many a baitin' I took - ah but shur 'twas all in good fun..."

And what you've listed is very much applicable to some British tourists, but "we're" worse?

We're as bad, the stereotype is usually that the English are yobs on holiday (which they are in fairness) but we act just as bad if not worse yet when we do it it's seen as a laugh.

I've seen it throughout Europe it's fine for Irish to be drunkards because that's whats expected of us and foreigners are even disappointed if you don't live up to the stereotype.

Blobby George · 26-04-2010 05:10PM

Stekelly wrote: »

So it's ok to discriminate as long as it's only the Irish?

No. I am speaking from experience and usually it is just a little bit of rimming between the Irish and the British. In this case though it was clear racism intended to cause offence.

NothingMan · 26-04-2010 05:12PM

Blobby George wrote: »

I am speaking from experience and usually it is just a little bit of rimming between the Irish and the British.

:eek:

Auvers · 26-04-2010 05:13PM

ScumLord wrote: »

We're as bad, the stereotype is usually that the English are yobs on holiday (which they are in fairness) but we act just as bad if not worse yet when we do it it's seen as a laugh. .

have to agree with Scum the only difference is we dont have the superiority\arrogance attitude that alot of English yobs have

Dudess · 26-04-2010 05:18PM

A good dollop of self-loathing instead maybe?

Dravokivich · 26-04-2010 05:18PM

ScumLord wrote: »

won't eat the local food, only go to Irish bars.

What I've noticed from the few times I've been across to the states... everyone i got to know was always going on about an Irish bar here and an irish bar there.. we'd end up going to them and then asking me what I thought of how they did the food... arranged the drinks and such...

I just wanted to stand at a bar and demand whiskey from a bar tender while spitting chewing tobacco in a jar and fondling the entertainment...

...as is depicted in movies about their culture.

Auvers · 26-04-2010 05:20PM

Dudess wrote: »

A good dollop of self-loathing instead maybe?

nail on head there

Dudess · 26-04-2010 05:22PM

Well I was referring more to the seeming insatiable need to have an inferiority complex about being Irish on After Hours, but thanks anyway.

Jumpy · 26-04-2010 05:25PM

One of his duties was to fillet the sole at the table.

Ah! So he was a Sole Brother.

I am so, so sorry.

Dudess · 26-04-2010 05:26PM

it!

iguana · 26-04-2010 05:26PM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

If i was the Manager i would of told them to Piss off, i mean how can a manager treat his staff like that, Just because of the Guests issues with black people.

I'd have been tempted to take their booking and then contact something like The Daily Show and see if they wanted to get only black actors with crazy accents to serve them for their entire stay while secretly filming everything.:)

I'd write a book about the experience to make up for my loss of earnings after the RitzCarlton fire me.:(:cool:

ScumLord · 26-04-2010 05:44PM

Dudess wrote: »

A good dollop of self-loathing instead maybe?

It's not self loathing and I'm not actually saying the Irish are always worse it's just we can be just as bad or worse but get away with it because we're the lovable Irish rouges. I would also say we do get very arrogant when we go abroad, I remember me and a Dub drunk off our arses in a hostel in telling this American how bad everything in Ireland is yet how it's still the best country in the world. Everything was awful and great at the same time. Irish would also strut around Eastern Europe telling them how quaint and cheap everything is.

Nodin · 26-04-2010 05:48PM

TheInquisitor wrote: »

There's racism and then there's people really milking it. When people told me in england never to go back to a pub because I was Irish i wasn't offended.

I don't think having a pair of balls was your problem there.

G-Money · 26-04-2010 05:50PM

As Tommy Tiernan says about the Irish "Are we racist or just having the craic?"

I lived abroad once in a Scandinavian country and I remember my manager saying to us that over there if you phoned up for a taxi and said "I have a dog with me", that was code to say "I don't want a foreign taxi driver".

Found it a bit surprising as it was quite a liberal, relaxed country but I didn't care so much at the same time.

26-04-2010 05:50PM

Don't really see what the family did wrong. If they're racist, they're racist.. No need to discriminate against them like.

ScumLord · 26-04-2010 05:55PM

grandmaster wrote: »

As Tommy Tiernan says about the Irish "Are we racist or just having the craic?"

I lived abroad once in a Scandinavian country and I remember my manager saying to us that over there if you phoned up for a taxi and said "I have a dog with me", that was code to say "I don't want a foreign taxi driver".

Found it a bit surprising as it was quite a liberal, relaxed country but I didn't care so much at the same time.

Very racist up there though, I found it surprising too.

Degag · 26-04-2010 05:59PM

It's easy for people to say that the manager should have told the family to **** off etc, do ye think that he would have kept his job then? Probably not.

I've worked in that sector and the ammount of times i or my colleagues had to sneak mistresses into rooms or organise prostitutes for men was frightening. Just part of the job. The only mistake the manager did was allow the waiter to find out.

PeterIanStaker · 26-04-2010 06:07PM

Degag wrote: »

Probably Prince Phillip using a fake name.....

Nick Griffin using a fake name perhaps?

We 'do not want to deal with black staff'

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