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Failed Job Hunt Ends in Overdose at 21

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  • #32
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    johnnyjb wrote: »
    I personally never heard of that group or website and id like to think im moderately up to date with the internet. How do you set up a website and expect people that never heard of it to find it and not commit suicide when their at the edge. They prob think that excuse of a thing is covering their ass in this sad thing people go through.

    Hope this makes it easier.
    http://tinyurl.com/38qxonc


  • #33
    El Horseboxo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,354 ✭✭✭El Horseboxo


    I've had 2 close friends commit suicide and in the last 2 years 3 friends from secondary school killed themselves. And i just don't understand why any of them did it. I've been in very dark places myself but i'd never even contemplate it. I don't know what goes through their heads that they feel their problems can't be solved.


  • #34
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Gurgle wrote: »
    Every sympathy for the poor girl & her family, but kinda sounds like the start of the depression spiral preceeded the unemployment problem.

    Its a bit of a stretch making it a story about the recession.

    Agreed, Thread title is missing the word apparently, even the article used it.


  • #35
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    lonad wrote: »
    Sadly Latchy , I am sure there are many more out there who are feeling just as low because of the way things have turned out during the downturn.

    No doubt there is lonad ,the figures speak for themselfs and it's very sad and scary for the many out there in similar situation .


  • #36
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    El Horseboxo wrote: »
    I've had 2 close friends commit suicide and in the last 2 years 3 friends from secondary school killed themselves. And i just don't understand why any of them did it. I've been in very dark places myself but i'd never even contemplate it. I don't know what goes through their heads that they feel their problems can't be solved.
    For some, being told "here is the answer/solution" on its own just doesn't work.
    The hard task is being able to see the way to get to that "solution", how to reach that point of happiness or even contentment again.

    Its the progressiveness stages/steps between depression and a successful outcome that are hard to find for many, and a sad outcome follows because of this failure to see ones way (in actual real life stages) to happiness again.

    I hope that makes sense. :)


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  • #37
    landsleaving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    This story is a tragic reminder that society fails to motivate people to do anything but get a job and brands people as failures when they don't. There's more to life than work, it's a pity people don't seem to realise that.

    Considering the amount of young people who leave school and college to find nothing for them but the dole, the story is barely surprising, not that it isn't horrible. None of my friends, mostly recent university graduates, bar one, can find work. With education geared towards the eventual job, it's incredibly depressing to suddenly emerge into a situation where it's just not there, and everything you'd been told to believe, work hard, study, learn, you'll get a good job, was a lie.

    There are thousands in this poor girls situation, and it would be good if this pushes governments to do somehting about the situation, even work placements instead of drawing the dole would help, and probably give the x years of experience every company looks for, that no recent graduate/school leaver can have.


  • #38
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Biggins wrote: »
    For some, being told "here is the answer/solution" on its own just doesn't work.
    The hard task is being able to see the way to get to that "solution", how to reach that point of happiness or even contentment again.

    Its the progressiveness stages/steps between depression and a successful outcome that are hard to find for many, and a sad outcome follows because of this failure to see ones way (in actual real life stages) to happiness again.

    I hope that makes sense. :)
    As well as that a lot of people know what it is they need to do to feel better, but how to actually do it is another task altogether.


  • #39
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    What I don't get is why so many people think that going to a website like samaritans or quoting a number so they can ring it is going to be any use to a person in a position. It's crazy. Do people not realise that if you're that down a lot of things need fixing. It's not just a matter of listing all your problems out to someone over the phone, or going to some seminar! :rolleyes:

    The samaritans don't help. They just try get you to talk. No one actually helps, as in the kind of help these people need.


  • #40
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    landsleaving wrote: »
    This story is a tragic reminder that society fails to motivate people to do anything but get a job and brands people as failures when they don't. There's more to life than work, it's a pity people don't seem to realise that.

    Considering the amount of young people who leave school and college to find nothing for them but the dole, the story is barely surprising, not that it isn't horrible. None of my friends, mostly recent university graduates, bar one, can find work. With education geared towards the eventual job, it's incredibly depressing to suddenly emerge into a situation where it's just not there, and everything you'd been told to believe, work hard, study, learn, you'll get a good job, was a lie.

    There are thousands in this poor girls situation, and it would be good if this pushes governments to do somehting about the situation, even work placements instead of drawing the dole would help, and probably give the x years of experience every company looks for, that no recent graduate/school leaver can have.

    It is a big problem in this country and UK apparently that from very early age you are programmed into thinking that a job is the be all in society.


  • #41
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    stupidusername wrote: »
    ...The samaritans don't help. They just try get you to talk. No one actually helps, as in the kind of help these people need.
    I would have to disagree.
    Those skilful enough within the likes of the Samaritans (and similar) don't try to just talk a person out of depression, they try to talk or help a person to be able to help themselves - and that the important part.

    Having someone that is talking to you, that is helping you to again see things that you might not see in the midst of a deep depression, can greatly help.

    To be able alone to talk to someone in a way that by sheer conversation, can help them to see life and a thus stage forwards - rather than backwards - is a blessing and skill that is needed more so today than ever.

    The Samaritans are a credit not to be understated.
    I for one am grateful that they exist.


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  • #42
    fcussen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭fcussen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    there's not many of them "why don't you lazy spongers stop draining the state and robbing me of my taxes you useless gits" round these times in fairness. its harder to meet someone in a job.

    Could Bill Cullen please come to reception


  • #43
    Misty Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Misty Chaos


    I know of several people who killed themselves, be it young people who possibly see no future for themselves and an old enough man who took his life after he couldn't get any work because of the downturn and ran out of money. ( Yeah, I live in a suicide blackspot. )

    Yes, I know it most be horrible but in the case of the guy above, I see a bit of a problem when someone defines themselves by having a job, too many people are like that in this day and age. They complain about how much their job sucks and soul destroying it is but still work at it all hours in order to pay for an overpriced house and generally stretch themselves too far because they fear they might not get the chance to earn as much again. What are you, a glutton for punishment?

    I'm not saying be a lazy dole git, just you should really have more to life than working all the time ( and no, going out boozing doesn't count. Too many people abuse as it an escape as it is. ) Work to live, not live to work!

    And I was in that dark place too once, it wasn't pretty. I remember openly talking about buying a rope to hang myself! I don't how I got myself out of it but I did.


  • #44
    cynder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭cynder


    Never called the samaritans but have been in that dark place, was since i was 8, that's when i first tried to stab (kill) myself, but it hurt so i couldn't. I did try again a few times but never went through with it until i turned 15. It very nearly worked and of course everyone knew then what was going on.

    Saw a child psychologist who said i was fine ( i lied all the way through it). I got myself out of that frame of mind when i fell pregnant at 18. I then had something to live for. Ive been happy ever since and never went back to that dark place.

    I feel sorry for the young lady, sound like her family really loved her and she really loved them. xxx rip


  • #45
    billybigunz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 925 ✭✭✭billybigunz


    Big deal in fairness. Over 500 people took their lives in Ireland last year for all sorts of reasons. 5000 in the UK. Is this case any more tragic?


  • #46
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    billybigunz wrote: »
    Big deal in fairness. Over 500 people took their lives in Ireland last year for all sorts of reasons. 5000 in the UK. Is this case any more tragic?


    Thats very sensitive of you , you are a class act.


  • #47
    billybigunz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 925 ✭✭✭billybigunz


    lonad wrote: »
    Thats very sensitive of you , you are a class act.

    Yeah well I won't cry crocodile tears for some little media created crisis.


  • #48
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    billybigunz wrote: »
    Big deal in fairness. Over 500 people took their lives in Ireland last year for all sorts of reasons. 5000 in the UK. Is this case any more tragic?
    Its equally as tragic.
    While not getting into semantics about who's cases is better or worse, the highlighting/mentioning/reminding of others that such things do happen - and happen to every one regardless of colour, class divide and status, etc - is beneficial to those that might see another heading for that depression state. Hopefully in such cases. something can be done then to lessen the occurrence of a sadder outcome.


  • #49
    billybigunz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 925 ✭✭✭billybigunz


    More pretty white girl syndrome. Forget the scores of unfortunate young men who also take their lives. They don't warrant any column inches.


  • #50
    cynder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭cynder


    billybigunz wrote: »
    Big deal in fairness. Over 500 people took their lives in Ireland last year for all sorts of reasons. 5000 in the UK. Is this case any more tragic?


    No,


  • #51
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    lonad wrote: »
    Thats very sensitive of you , you are a class act.
    I think the point being made was why is this case being covered so much. I've given my opinion earlier in the thread.


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  • #52
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Its unfortunate that other cases are not as highlighted as much.
    The media for some obvious and probably non-obvious reason, have ran with this particular story.
    Regardless of the media getting involved - is her case any less tragic than those that have passed away from before her also?

    Its sad to say but if the constant reporting of daily suicides was done, people would grow a from of hard shell/skin or become less sensitive to such stories of sad events.

    While not taking the papers side in the reasons for selecting this one girl and her story, I'm glad they selected one person anyway - if only as a reminder to others that such things still happen and we all should be aware of all of them.

    The next person to go down this sad road could be a family member known to you personally - but I hope that don't happen.


  • #53
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    easyeason3 wrote: »
    If half the people I've heard of that have taken their lives because of the recession then we are in big trouble.

    What does the government do about it? Offer advice? Support?

    Nah...they just pr!ck around the Dail trying to score points off each other & deluding themselves that they are the best ones to bring this country around or that we actually give a flying fcuk about any of them.

    wtf? there really is no issue that cant be blamed on the government it seems :rolleyes:

    unfortunately, if someone is really intent on killing themselves there is nothing the government can do about it. like there is nothing they can do to stop gobshites speeding on the roads


  • #54
    billybigunz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 925 ✭✭✭billybigunz


    Biggins wrote: »
    The next person to go down this sad road could be a family member known to you personally - but I hope that don't happen.

    What is that meant to mean?


    I'd rather the papers didn't cynically highlight one story to sell papers for every ****-brained automoton.


  • #55
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    billybigunz wrote: »
    More pretty white girl syndrome. Forget the scores of unfortunate young men who also take their lives. They don't warrant any column inches.

    the man makes a good point


  • #56
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Originally Posted by Biggins
    The next person to go down this sad road could be a family member known to you personally - but I hope that don't happen.
    billybigunz wrote: »
    What is that meant to mean?

    In context with the previous words, its meant to mean that by being made aware again by any sad event being told in print (or other ways), we could step in earlier in assistance, spot the signs in someone close to us - and thus help them hopefully.
    billybigunz wrote: »
    I'd rather the papers didn't cynically highlight one story to sell papers for every ****-brained automoton.

    Again. I can't comment on the reason for the papers selection but not every one that read that publication is an automatic automaton.
    Perhaps you would like to clarify or justify that broad and wide ranging slight to readers of that paper?
    (Please note: by looking at the article, you have indeed read it too and I wouldn't say you were an automatic automaton!)


  • #57
    billybigunz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 925 ✭✭✭billybigunz


    Biggins wrote: »
    In context with the previous words, its meant to mean that by being made aware again by any sad event being told in print (or other ways), we could step in earlier in assistance, spot the signs in someone close to us - and thus help them hopefully.



    Again. I can't comment on the reason for the papers selection but not every one that read that publication is an automatic automaton.
    Perhaps you would like to clarify or justify that broad and wide ranging slight to readers of that paper?
    (Please note: by looking at the article, you have indeed read it too and I wouldn't say you were an automatic automaton!)

    No I have my critical faculties intact. I saw it as a bull**** story unlike 99% of you here weeping tears over somebody that you don't know or otherwise give a **** about.


  • #58
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    billybigunz wrote: »
    No I have my critical faculties intact. I saw it as a bull**** story unlike 99% of you here weeping tears over somebody that you don't know or otherwise give a **** about.
    I will have to agree to disagree with you on such things and I shall leave it at that.
    I wish you well. :)


  • #59
    cynder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭cynder


    billybigunz wrote: »
    No I have my critical faculties intact. I saw it as a bull**** story unlike 99% of you here weeping tears over somebody that you don't know or otherwise give a **** about.


    Well it brought tears to my eyes as i empathise and sympathise.

    As like many others she could have had a bright future and could have had a happy life but that's not where this story leads. She made her choice and she family have to feel the pain (like many other families) she was probably in the frame of mind where she thought she was doing her family and the world a favour and she would no longer be a burden.


  • #60
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    billybigunz wrote: »
    More pretty white girl syndrome. Forget the scores of unfortunate young men who also take their lives. They don't warrant any column inches.
    Inclined to agree. Still, at least it calls attention to the matter on whole.


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  • #61
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    One death is a tragedy, a thousand deaths is a statistic.


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