Pamela Izevbekhai is still in Ireland! Why?

profitius · 19-04-2010 03:51PM

orourkeda wrote: »

I agree. However, this particular leads me to wonder how many people in similar situations have slipped through the cracks so to speak.

The vast majority has slipped through the cracks. Its taken years for one illegal to be deported so you can imagine the trouble of having to find people and deport them.

Blobby George · 19-04-2010 03:53PM

orourkeda wrote: »

She's still here probably because she's black. Simples

You should be ashamed of yourself with comments like that. I'm pretty sure you are not privy to the full details of the case. Pamela deserves a fair hearing.

orourkeda · 19-04-2010 03:56PM

Blobby George wrote: »

You should be ashamed of yourself with comments like that. I'm pretty sure you are not privy to the full details of the case. Pamela deserves a fair hearing.

Ashamed of what?

She's the one that's alleged to have lied about the death of one her children. She's is also alleged to have lied about the birth of the same child.

Is she paying for this case? I doubt but I'm open to correction.

orourkeda · 19-04-2010 03:57PM

profitius wrote: »

The vast majority has slipped through the cracks. Its taken years for one illegal to be deported so you can imagine the trouble of having to find people and deport them.

Absolutely. That's part of the problem.

Blobby George · 19-04-2010 03:58PM

orourkeda wrote: »

Ashamed of what?

Your disgusting racial undertones. I will not be discussing this matter with you any further.

profitius · 19-04-2010 03:58PM

lonad wrote: »

That is a difficult question to answer , but obviously I am contributing to there continued stay in Ireland through my tax payments.

Well unless you house them and pay for them you shouldn't be telling the Irish people we should.

You see the hundreds of millions spent could have been spent on helping poor Irish people. Theres Irish kids living in poverty too and a large number live with nowhere to play or no fields etc. In Dublin they're going to close down 3 swimming pools because they can't afford to keep them open and its the only place for many kids to go. Not to mention schools, health care etc etc etc

profitius · 19-04-2010 03:59PM

Blobby George wrote: »

Your disgusting racial undertones. I will not be discussing this matter with you any further.

Was it you just started a racial thread in the rugby forum?

Kasabian · 19-04-2010 04:02PM

Morlar wrote: »

Why is this a good thing ? One 'opportunity to contest' is enough.

The laws of this country entitle a person to challenge any decision to a conclusion , long may that last.

This woman has had about 20+ opportunities to contest. And counting. Each one costing us a fortune. All the while she lives in accomodation we pay for. We also pay for her taxis from SLigo to Dublin and god only knows what else. She is a welfare migrant shamelessly using her kids to pull on the heartstrings of the gullible. She is a liar plain and simple. She is single handedly underming an entire system of migration and asylum.

And if the result of the case is decided that she is lieing then the full force of the laws she is using to fight her case should be brought against her.

But again there are 2 innocent children involved here and I am only putting my view point in regard to them.

Blobby George · 19-04-2010 04:03PM

profitius wrote: »

Was it you just started a racial thread in the rugby forum?

Excuse me. I inquired if a black player named Simon Zebo was the first black player to represent Ireland at Rugby. How is that racist exactly?

orourkeda · 19-04-2010 04:03PM

Blobby George wrote: »

Your disgusting racial undertones. I will not be discussing this matter with you any further.

The good old racist card. Didn't take long to raise its head.

That's the whole problem trying to get these things out in the open. If you consider it racist. Fair enough. I don't care. People here have grievances and they're going to be aired whether you like it or not.

Kasabian · 19-04-2010 04:07PM

profitius wrote: »

Well unless you house them and pay for them you shouldn't be telling the Irish people we should.

I have not said anywhere that anyone should house them , I entered this thread giving a viewpoint regarding the question about the childrens safety.

You see the hundreds of millions spent could have been spent on helping poor Irish people. Theres Irish kids living in poverty too and a large number live with nowhere to play or no fields etc. In Dublin they're going to close down 3 swimming pools because they can't afford to keep them open and its the only place for many kids to go. Not to mention schools, health care etc etc etc

What hundreds of millions? , in this case?. The rest of your post is tangental to the point I am making so I will digress from answering it . It would be a whole other thread.

Morlar · 19-04-2010 04:11PM

lonad wrote: »

The laws of this country entitle a person to challenge any decision to a conclusion , long may that last.

Trust me you are not the only person who thinks it's lasting long enough. 20 something hearings up and down our courts system at our expense. One hearing is enough in my view.

lonad wrote: »

And if the resultant case is decided that she is lieing then the full force of the laws she is using to fight her case should be brought against her.

Hands up ANYONE who thinks this will happen ?

She will throw a crying fit and blab on about her 'cheeldren' and how she should avoid prison as it would be cruel on them and they are innocent etc. At this stage I would just like to see her gone.

orourkeda · 19-04-2010 04:13PM

lonad wrote: »

The laws of this country entitle a person to challenge any decision to a conclusion , long may that last.

And if the resultant case is decided that she is lieing then the full force of the laws she is using to fight her case should be brought against her.

But again there are 2 innocent children involved here and I am only putting my view point in regard to them.

It can be argued that the person taking the case lacks credibility. The courts have found this already.

This is certainly the basis of my argument. If it was a totally genuine case then fair enough. This does not appear to be 100% legitimate.

Kasabian · 19-04-2010 04:23PM

orourkeda wrote: »

It can be argued that the person taking the case lacks credibility. The courts have found this already.

This is certainly the basis of my argument. If it was a totally genuine case then fair enough. This does not appear to be 100% legitimate.

I would agree from looking at the case that something is not 100% but that will be decided when the case has exhausted all legal avenues.

The circumstances are that there are 2 children , either being used as pawns by the their mother or the the mother is genuine in her fears that harm will come to her children if they are returned to Nigeria. Having read reports on FGM , these fears may have some grounding in reality. It is a shocking and barbaric practise and I wonder if these children are returned to Nigeria could it befall them.

Others have made their views about the money , the discredited paperwork and their opinion on the mother but I believe every oppurtuinity should be afforded this family until such time that a decision is made one way or the other.

orourkeda · 19-04-2010 04:30PM

lonad wrote: »

I would agree from looking at the case that something is not 100% but that will be decided when the case has exhausted all legal avenues.

The circumstances are that there are 2 children are either being used as pawns by the their mother or the the mother is genuine in her fears that harm will come to her children if they are returned to Nigeria. Having read reports on FGM , these fears may have some grounding in reality. It is a shocking and barbaric practise and I wonder if these children are returned to Nigeria could it befall them.

Others have made their views about the money , the discredited paperwork and their opinion on the mother but I believe every oppurtuinity should be afforded this family until such time that a decision is made one way or the other.

How far can we reasonably expect this case to go?

Kasabian · 19-04-2010 04:54PM

orourkeda wrote: »

How far can we reasonably expect this case to go?

I can see it going to the European Court of Human Rights tbph.

I make that statement not knowing if it can as I am not that tuned into the legal path afforded to people in Ireland but thankfully it does seem to provide recourse in case I ever need it.

I haven't much more to add to this other than what I have posted so I'll leave it till a decision is made.

Sonnenblumen · 19-04-2010 07:56PM

Unreal, unbelieveable and unaffordable. Please GO HOME!

Son Of A Vidic · 19-04-2010 08:08PM

Because were are a nation of P.C. twats. Now if she was an Irishwoman in Nigeria, she would have been stoned, hung, burnt, beheaded or shot.

goose2005 · 19-04-2010 08:14PM

lonad wrote: »

Isn't this why she has taken the case to the Supreme court because she believes that the safety of her children depends on them not being deported to Nigeria.

No square inch of Nigeria is safe?

Blobby George · 19-04-2010 08:21PM

medicman2009 wrote: »

Because were are a nation of P.C. twats. Now if she was an Irishwoman in Nigeria, she would have been stoned, hung, burnt, beheaded or shot.

Have you been to Nigeria? I suggest you educate yourself before posting such ignorant bile.

orourkeda · 19-04-2010 09:00PM

goose2005 wrote: »

No square inch of Nigeria is safe?

Everyone knows this to be untrue. It's been completely overstated.

orourkeda · 19-04-2010 09:01PM

Blobby George wrote: »

Have you been to Nigeria? I suggest you educate yourself before posting such ignorant bile.

Would an Irishwoman in Nigeria be afforded the same right to take her case through the court system who pleaded the exact same case?

Ali Babba · 19-04-2010 09:12PM

NAMA might as well take over her court costs etc too, oh wait, Irish tax payers are paying for her anyway. What a f**king mess, she should have been booted out of here years ago, it's no wonder we're broke!!!

hotmail.com · 19-04-2010 09:24PM

medicman2009 wrote: »

Because were are a nation of P.C. twats. Now if she was an Irishwoman in Nigeria, she would have been stoned, hung, burnt, beheaded or shot.

Thank god we don't live in a country like that.

In saying that, I don't get why she hasn't been thrown out. She is giving out a poor image of asylum seekers.

dermothickey · 19-04-2010 09:37PM

Aaaah just let the woman stay we should be honored that she wants to stay here in the firstplace.

Son Of A Vidic · 19-04-2010 09:48PM

Blobby George wrote: »

Have you been to Nigeria? I suggest you educate yourself before posting such ignorant bile.

Now read and learn, I have indeed been to Nigeria. I was there in 2005. Ever been to the Lekki Peninsula, or how about the Chad basin National Park. Maiduguri or Abuja ring any bells do they? I've been there O.K., so I base my opinion on my experience no more, no less. There are certain regions of Nigeria with simmering ethnic and sectarian tensions, these have and do erupt from time to time into brutal violence.

So if you had an Irishwoman, milking the system in Nigeria. A con woman who was found to be a compulsive, lying fraudster. Evening lying about non-existent children who died - I mean how low can one go? Actually I forgot to include in my OP that she might be burned as a witch.

I'm from Sligo and you can count her supporters in Sligo now on one hand. The amount of write ups this liar and fraudster had in the local media over the years was unbelievable. The damage she has now done to legitimate asylum seekers is immeasurable.

So I suggest you learn the rules before posting on Boards - no personal attacks on posters. Have you read the rules? because it would appear you have just accused me of posting ignorant bile and have advised that I 'educate' myself. That to me constitutes a personal attack. So it's time you 'educate' yourself on the rules of Boards and partake in a mature and respectful exchange of views in future.

ilovelamp2000 · 19-04-2010 10:00PM

mikom wrote: »

You've heard of taxes, right?
You know how they fund legal aid, right?

Pamela isn't legally aided, and hasn't been for years. I think I'm right in saying that none of her JR cases in the High Court or Supreme Court were ever run and paid for by the Refugee Legal Service.

MikeC101 · 19-04-2010 10:47PM

With a full legal team, more than 22 high court appearances and the cost of sending a garda detective inspector on a three-day trip to Nigeria last month, the tab the taxpayer has picked up for Izevbekhai's case has reached €500,000.

From a Tribune article in April 09.

The case is a total farce at this stage - no birth records or death record for the child Pamela claimed died from complications due to FGM, when Gardaí found the doctor who she claimed signed the affidavit and cause of death certificate he stated it was not his signature, he had never seen the child, and that the documents were fake. Her first legal team asked to be allowed withdraw from representing her, why did they do that?

Further:

Unokanjo (the doctor) denied that he was ever interviewed by RTÉ radio or any media organisation in Ireland. In the RTÉ interview aired in 2005, a man claiming to be Unokanjo confirmed Elizabeth's death from complications of FGM. Philip Boucher-Hayes, the RTÉ broadcaster who conducted the radio interview, has said he obtained the phone number for Isioma hospital independently and believed he spoke to the doctor.

Added to this, her claims that her husbands parents are hovering in the wings, waiting to seize the children and perform FGM at the first opportunity - yet no one has managed to locate them, or anything about them. Then there's the cynical attempt to drag the case out for as long as possible - and we'll hear "sure the kids have been here for so long, it'd be cruel to make them leave".

It's just a nice comfort case for RAR and Rosanna Flynn to use to feel good about themselves, and get them some publicity - it shows they don't give a damn about genuine refugees, or the damage this case is doing to them. It's not exactly doing anything for making our justice system look particularly efficient either.

mikom · 19-04-2010 11:22PM

Rosco1982 wrote: »

Pamela isn't legally aided, and hasn't been for years. I think I'm right in saying that none of her JR cases in the High Court or Supreme Court were ever run and paid for by the Refugee Legal Service.

With a full legal team, more than 22 high court appearances and the cost of sending a garda detective inspector on a three-day trip to Nigeria last month, the tab the taxpayer has picked up for Izevbekhai's case has reached €500,000.

Got there before me.
Thank you MikeC101.

K-9 · 20-04-2010 12:19AM

Rosco1982 wrote: »

Pamela isn't legally aided, and hasn't been for years. I think I'm right in saying that none of her JR cases in the High Court or Supreme Court were ever run and paid for by the Refugee Legal Service.

I don't think that is the issue here, though I'd say many do not know the above.

Don't think it's even the cost of the case as even if that was paid, some other issue would be raised concerning cost.

The problem is the amount of cases and how long the system takes to deal with the case. Hardly fair on all concerned, including her children.

Pamela Izevbekhai is still in Ireland! Why?

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