Trad music in pubs..ssssshhhh

Deleted User wrote: »

I go to pubs two or three times a week and it's rare that there's soccer matches blaring.. It's been said a few times in this thread so far and I call shenanigans.

Well, my last few attempts to go out for quiet chats in pubs in Dublin and Galway during the week were marked by opening the pub door and hearing the tv noise, moving on to the next pub, same thing, and again, and again. In fact, any pub with a pub was almost certainly showing the same match, with guys standing around shouting at the tv. I finally found a "dead" pub with a few auld lads, and it was perfect for a good chat.

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Question:


Why are the options being presented either

a) Trad music pub

or

b) Football pub


can we please have option c)


something different and perhaps even original


please?

Yes you can have the pubs that act like nightclubs with either MTV on a giant screen or really loud DJs blaring out Lady GaGa and Girls Aloud without even the benefit of a dancefloor. They're the worst pubs of all and all too common IMO :mad:

Nail on the head! Why is it when a shower of tradicians are in a pub, the whole fcuking pub starts sssssshhhhhing alright. Why? Are they trying to show how patriotic they are or something? Fcuking saps. It never really registered until the OP pointed it out.

I've a few issues with Trad. Mostly, it's crap. Normally you look at the musicians, and they seem depressed, staring at the floor, or at someone elses instrument, solemn faces. Unless it's the Sharon Shannon, look at me, I'm smiling to offset how crap the music is face.

Then, there's the music itself. Written by fans of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Lets have a line of melody, repeat it 4 times, then move on to a newer, similar line of melody (One or two notes changed), repeat that 4 times, then move on to a slightly different line again, and repeat that 4 times. Then go back to the start, and repeat that 4 times.

Worst of all, are the people who love it. I'd the misfortune of being at a wedding I was gigging for in the INEC thingy in Killarney, we were in one room of the Hotel, and the Wolftones were in the other. Wall to wall celtic jerseys, scobe tashes, gelled down fringes, and any time someone like Bobby Sands was mentioned, one'd hope up, hold his pint glass in the air "shhhhurrrrr we'll aaaaaalll drink to Bobbbaaaya Saaaaaaans".

And no, I will not shusssh so you can listen to it. If I interrupted the flowing music for you by talking, hold on, they'll be repeating it in a minute, you'll hear it then. And if you miss that, you'll hear it again 10 seconds later, and after that, and after that.

PaintDoctor wrote: »

I've a few issues with Trad....Worst of all, are the people who love it. I'd the misfortune of being at a wedding I was gigging for in the INEC thingy in Killarney, we were in one room of the Hotel, and the Wolftones were in the other. Wall to wall celtic jerseys, scobe tashes, gelled down fringes, and any time someone like Bobby Sands was mentioned, one'd hope up, hold his pint glass in the air "shhhhurrrrr we'll aaaaaalll drink to Bobbbaaaya Saaaaaaans".

Ahem. Since when did the Wolfe Tones become a 'trad' band? Martin Hayes is a trad musician and has more talent in his toenail than the combined forces of all those hairy stinky smelly leather-jacket wearing hippies who pass themselves as rock musicians and refuse to feck off back to the 80s.

The Bothy Band were trad musicians; Planxty were trad musicians ....The Wolfe Tones are comparatively talentless individuals who have few if no traditional tunes in their repetoire. No tradhead would contend that they are traditional musicians. They are balladeers who, like rock "musicians", only need to master a few notes on simple instruments like guitars.

Confab wrote: »

Embarrassing when this stuff starts being played. We're not gombeen idiots muttering about the Black & Tans anymore. Even worse when people who have no inclination to know any of this crap starts wailing about the rare 'oul times.

We really have no sense of perspective. Trad should be banned. It's an embarrassing byproduct of our previous lack of culture.

You're coufusing rebel ballad singing with the instrumental tradition, which has nothing to do with the black and tans and the like. I don't think traditional music is an embarrassing byproduct of our culture in the slightest. In fact before the famine traditional music was a huge part of our culture. People used to play and dance all over the country. They would dance in houses and at crossroads and everyone would be involved. It wasn't until the folk revival of the 60s that traditional music moved into the pubs. All the plastic paddy ****e in the tourist hotels and bars in Dublin with guinness and leprechauns and diddley-i has destroyed a lot of that humble and modest element of our culture. But if you head for the right pub you'll hear a mighty session and have great craic and chat away to people.

I play traditional music in pubs, I have no delusions of grandeur and i don't expect people to shush and listen. But id like to think that there are people out there who do enjoy it and appreciate the lively atmosphere it creates, and if they want to have a conversation over it sure whats the problem?

Once upon a time traditional music was all we had. It should never be put on a pedestal, but it should be accepted as a rich and important part of our cultural heritage. Its a living tradition, if you go to clare or west cork or donegal you'll find that people don't feel the need to dress up in costume because its still alive and growing today. It breaks my heart to think that there are people out there who feel it should be banned.

Heckler wrote: »

Not for the first time was in a pub recently with a couple of fellas playing traditional irish music. Not caring for the ****e that it is I ignored it and kept on talking to my friends only to be met with hostile stares and plenty of ssshhhh. I was there with friends before these guys started up and while I appreciate that these guys want to be listened to the idea that everyone in the pub should have to shut the fcuk up while they play is beyond me.

Anyone else been at the end of a sshhhh while a precious trad band play ?

If you're not going to respect the music, go somewhere else... there's plenty of pubs without sessions, there's no need to stay if you don't like it.

Confab wrote: »

Embarrassing when this stuff starts being played. We're not gombeen idiots muttering about the Black & Tans anymore. Even worse when people who have no inclination to know any of this crap starts wailing about the rare 'oul times.

We really have no sense of perspective. Trad should be banned. It's an embarrassing byproduct of our previous lack of culture.

Seriously... what are you on about? I play trad music and I'm English - it's nothing to do with the 'Black and Tans'. We play it because we enjoy the music, not for nostalgia.

Deleted User wrote: »

This reminds me of a rock gig I paid into in Roisin Dubh one night.. The entire place was dead silent listening to them and it was packed. They weren't even an acoustic setup but for some reason, the masses decided to treat the night like they were in the cinema.. Class band but if I can't chat to a friend or a stranger, what's the point.
I got told to shush while chatting to my friend in the middle of the crowd and I've never wanted to shout out "Fuk off ya pretentious prick" so much in my entire life and I ended up havin the craic in the smokin area instead.

My mum killed trad music for me.. Every song sounds the same and I swear if I put the CD on repeat track, she'd never know.

you paid to get into that place! :eek: