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Should we pay for Music?

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  • #2
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Yes. They went to the trouble of making it.

    The least you can do is pay for it.


  • #3
    Mushy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,170 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Of course we should. The logic isn't hard to follow.


  • #4
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Pay for your music? . I would say yes.


  • #5
    alex73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    Mushy wrote: »
    Of course we should. The logic isn't hard to follow.

    I agree, but it seems many don't (otherwise why the court case)


  • #6
    Nick_oliveri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Nick_oliveri


    Pay who, the artists or the middlemen?
    This is in the context of digital distribution right?
    Why, the middlemen, of course!!....


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  • #7
    Superbus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭Superbus


    Why pay for anything?


  • #8
    PirateShampoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,404 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    Why, its free on the Radio.


  • #9
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some people get all high and mighty about illegally downloading but have no problem burning cd's and dvd's :rolleyes:

    Pay should pay yes but I'd imagine the majority don't at this stage.


  • #10
    Mushy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,170 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Actually, the only downloads I do are for one band. And they use their own merch company(Burning Shed), so I know all the money is going to them.

    The inevitable will still come in now, but I prefer having the actual disc. Then again, that goes to record bloody companies.


  • #11
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Some people get all high and mighty about illegally downloading but have no problem burning cd's and dvd's :rolleyes:

    Pay should pay yes but I'd imagine the majority don't at this stage.


    I burned my CD's to my laptop , as far as I know that is not illegal :pac:


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  • #12
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Of course we should pay.

    All this whining from the record companies is bull.

    It is about time they stepped up to the plate and gave consumers a reason for buying music over just ripping from YouTube etc.

    They could include download packages that include photos, lyrics, videos etc.

    Something else they could do is take your address at point of download purchase and the mail the CD onto you.

    They could make it cheaper also, as obviously digital media is costing them less to produce.

    Have download stations in HMV that you can use for free if you buy the CD.

    The internet community is always a few steps ahead of them and if they hired the right people, they could easily catch up.


  • #13
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    I think bands like Radiohead (I think it was Radiohead?) had the right idea-- release the downloadable copy for free themselves, and allow people to donate if they are able to. The idea's been abused, but is still a better concept. They made money from site hits and touring shortly after, plus the donated proceeds. Not as much as they'd normally make, maybe, but I'd imagine it was more than enough to cover overheads.

    I'd buy music and films if I had money, but I don't. Hard to feed myself and pay the bills most weeks never mind going out and spending fifteen euro on a new album or DVD. Does that mean I should not be able to enjoy music, TV or film, all because I've hit a rough patch? I don't think so, but that's just me. Others will obviously have a different mentality about it.

    If I had the money to spend, I would download first, see that I like it, and then pay for it. A lot of people are like that, I think. And if I do have a bit of extra cash I don't mind buying music from small scale bands to show a bit of support.

    I do, however, have trouble justifying the purchase of albums released by billionaires, though. There's plenty more people buying, they don't need my money, too (and yes, I recognize that "if everyone thought that way they'd have no money at all," except that's flawed, because not everyone does think that way).


  • #14
    alex73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    I also burn my CD's from Itunes. Actually every time I purchase something they say to Back it up to CD.

    I presume its Legal.


  • #15
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I rarely download or even buy music anymore.. due in part to the decline in quality lately, which is brought about by labels sacrificing less 'popular' artists and pumping money into publicising the likes of Lady Gaga and other crap. Sure they might sell records, but other genres are dying out because of it


  • #16
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    hahaha, hahaha, hahaha they(the record companies) tried that in Australia and got their arse kicked in court.

    http://www.iinet.net.au/copyrightcase

    ISP's are not the police and courts all rolled into one.

    If the record companies want to take action, take the suspected pirate to court themselves, don't get a vigalante to do it for you.

    What if you paid for the song and downloaded it from torrents, not from itunes, they presume you are guilty.

    Sharing is caring :rolleyes:


  • #17
    alex73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    liah wrote: »
    I think bands like Radiohead (I think it was Radiohead?) had the right idea-- release the downloadable copy for free themselves, and allow people to donate if they are able to. The idea's been abused, but is still a better concept. They made money from site hits and touring shortly after, plus the donated proceeds. Not as much as they'd normally make, maybe, but I'd imagine it was more than enough to cover overheads.

    I'd buy music and films if I had money, but I don't. Hard to feed myself and pay the bills most weeks never mind going out and spending fifteen euro on a new album or DVD. Does that mean I should not be able to enjoy music, TV or film, all because I've hit a rough patch? I don't think so, but that's just me. Others will obviously have a different mentality about it.

    If I had the money to spend, I would download first, see that I like it, and then pay for it. A lot of people are like that, I think. And if I do have a bit of extra cash I don't mind buying music from small scale bands to show a bit of support.

    I do, however, have trouble justifying the purchase of albums released by billionaires, though. There's plenty more people buying, they don't need my money, too (and yes, I recognize that "if everyone thought that way they'd have no money at all," except that's flawed, because not everyone does think that way).


    So does this Logic apply to everything.... I don't have the money so I steal Drink to enjoy myself?

    I also don't have the money for everything I would like in Life, That does not give me the right to steal what I want.


  • #18
    bonerm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Yeah we should pay something. However I don't think it should be a "per song" model. I reckon an annual licence/subscription would be the best way of getting some money back to the artists.

    I just think it's funny that at this point there is an entire generation who have grown up never having ever bought music and that they almost consider it a natural right rather than just an unexpected side-benefit that exists thanks to the way they internet works.


  • #19
    Nick_oliveri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Nick_oliveri


    alex73 wrote: »
    So does this Logic apply to everything.... I don't have the money so I steal Drink to enjoy myself?

    I also don't have the money for everything I would like in Life, That does not give me the right to steal what I want.

    Its cloning. You cant clone drink.


  • #20
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    There are lots of (legally dubious*) ways to obtain free music besides downloading.

    I wouldnt mind paying to download music provided:
    1) The price was reasonable
    2) There was no DRM restrictions
    3) I wasnt forced to use horrible proprietry software like Itunes to download/play it.
    4) I have access to the entire back catolouge of all the major labels (+ indies of any significance)
    5) Decent quality. Not 128 Kb/s MP3 (or worse WMA)
    6) The money actually reaching the artists.

    But TBH I havent bought/downloaded music for several years now since theres damn all worth downloading (legally or otherwise) that I dont already have.

    * = mostly
    lonad wrote: »
    I burned my CD's to my laptop , as far as I know that is not illegal :pac:
    Youd be suprised


  • #21
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    alex73 wrote: »
    So does this Logic apply to everything.... I don't have the money so I steal Drink to enjoy myself?

    I also don't have the money for everything I would like in Life, That does not give me the right to steal what I want.

    It's copying and sharing.

    Basically, the equivalent would be more.. "I don't have the money for a new shirt so I'll borrow my mate's shirt instead 'til I can afford one of my own."


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  • #22
    alex73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭alex73


    liah wrote: »
    It's copying and sharing.

    Basically, the equivalent would be more.. "I don't have the money for a new shirt so I'll borrow my mate's shirt instead 'til I can afford one of my own."


    "Borrowing" a Shirt is one this, the property is given from you to your friend.

    Copying it is another thing.


  • #23
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    liah wrote: »
    It's copying and sharing.

    Basically, the equivalent would be more.. "I don't have the money for a new shirt so I'll borrow my mate's shirt instead 'til I can afford one of my own."

    I like this comparison, I am searching for holes in it, but can't find any! *Yoink* I am stealing that for future use.

    I ean, I am borrowing that until I can think up my own one! :D


  • #24
    Pyr0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Pyr0


    I don't really buy albums anymore these days, only special editions and the likes. I go to see the band live and pay in of course, I buy a tshirt or two if it's resonable and good quality, I even suggest bands to my mates and drag them along to the gigs. They're making more money from me doing all that than they would if I just bought the album. I'm not gonna lose sleep over it !

    Just last week I spent 170 euro on band t-shirts alone, 6 of them were for the one band, their getting enough from me !


  • #25
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82Lq2rVB_4


  • #26
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    )
    Youd be suprised


    I have checked this out and noone can tell me if it is or not. I am going with the opinion that because the music is on my hard drive and not being shared then it is not.


  • #27
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    I still buy, mainly because I like owning the CD. I enjoy leafing through the liner notes and admiring the artwork as I'm listening to it for the first time or ripping it to my computer. Also, a lot of the albums I want to get are out of print or a little rare* so it's easier to just buy a second-hand copy of the CD from eBay rather than spending ages looking for a non-existent torrent online.


    *This makes me sound like some pompous muso. Don't worry, I'm not. Not a muso, that is.


  • #28
    LizT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    I pay for all my music on itunes. It costs more but at least I don't have to watch my back. We've all heard the stories about people (i.e. Individuals illegally downloading music for themselves, not selling it on, etc) getting caught and being fined. I know the likelihood of this is minuscule but I'd rather not take the chance.


  • #29
    Ghost Train
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,581 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    liah wrote: »
    It's copying and sharing.

    Basically, the equivalent would be more.. "I don't have the money for a new shirt so I'll borrow my mate's shirt instead 'til I can afford one of my own."

    You and your mate can't wear the shirt at the same time though, unless its a very large shirt


  • #30
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Ghost Train wrote: »
    You and your mate can't wear the shirt at the same time though, unless its a very large shirt

    K, change "shirt" to "packet of taytos."


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  • #31
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    minidazzler wrote: »
    I like this comparison, I am searching for holes in it, but can't find any!

    Don't be ridiculous, T-shirts have three holes. For ease of wearing.


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