Terminator 2

plissken · 29-03-2010 04:03PM

MJ23 wrote: »

"Call John now"
One of the best films ever. I've seen about 200 times easily.
Terminator 3 was shíte, the new one wasnt much better.
The Sarah Connor Chronicles is very good though.

That scene has always managed to bug me every one of the many times I've watched T2. Why exactly doe's the T1000 need Sarah Connor to call John when he is more than capable of mimicing her voice and image as seen in the scene directly following ? Pedantic I know

uncleoswald · 29-03-2010 04:14PM

plissken wrote: »

That scene has always managed to bug me every one of the many times I've watched T2. Why exactly doe's the T1000 need Sarah Connor to call John when he is more than capable of mimicing her voice and image as seen in the scene directly following ? Pedantic I know

Not pedantic, its bugs me every time. And also why didn't Arnie kill the guy who owns the bar at the start? He just walks up to him and takes his sunglasses. Makes Arnie too loveable too early. Maybe I'm just pedantic as well....

This reminds me of the Aliens thread. Absolute classic actioner (Die Hard completes the holy trinity) but suffers a little when compared to its more intelligent sci-fi original.

bonerm · 29-03-2010 04:23PM

plissken wrote: »

That scene has always managed to bug me every one of the many times I've watched T2. Why exactly doe's the T1000 need Sarah Connor to call John when he is more than capable of mimicing her voice and image as seen in the scene directly following ? Pedantic I know

The T1000 was clearly malfunctioning by that point. Maybe he wasn't thinking/processing straight, or maybe he had calculated that there was a chance he'd make a f-up with the vocals if he tried an impression? After SC refused to help him well then he had to go ahead and just attempt it anyway. Just idle speculation.

plissken · 29-03-2010 04:33PM

bonerm wrote: »

The T1000 was clearly malfunctioning by that point. Maybe he wasn't thinking/processing straight, or maybe he had calculated that there was a chance he'd make a f-up with the vocals if he tried an impression? After SC refused to help him well then he had to go ahead and just attempt it anyway. Just idle speculation.

It's actually not a bad explanation at all

seanybiker · 30-03-2010 11:03AM

So how many of ye tried to do teh T1000 run over the years and where queit surprised at the speed you get ?

TherapyBoy · 30-03-2010 11:13AM

plissken wrote: »

That scene has always managed to bug me every one of the many times I've watched T2. Why exactly doe's the T1000 need Sarah Connor to call John when he is more than capable of mimicing her voice and image as seen in the scene directly following ? Pedantic I know

I always thought it was a control thing, to make her do something she didn't want to do, and that would harm her son. He could have done it anytime he wanted but to make her a part in the death of her son just gave him an evil edge. It was something a human "bad-guy" would have done.

foxyboxer · 30-03-2010 11:39AM

although the plot is a big-budget rehash of the original. it's an excellent re-hash.

it's a perma-fixture on my favourite films list.

MickShamrock · 30-03-2010 01:48PM

One of my favourite movies growing up.

rgt320q · 30-03-2010 10:48PM

Hands down, the greatest action film ever. Simple as.

Duggy747 · 30-03-2010 11:04PM

It's Terminator 2...............what can be said that isn't already proven on film?

Best.Action.Movie.Ever!!

I saw it when my brother rented it the day it came out on VHS...........Arnie has been firmly embedded in my head and 17 years later he still sits on the throne of action heroes! (Well Sly sits beside him, too.................it's a 2-seater throne :pac:)

And yes, I have ran like the T-1000 plenty of times; Hands opened straight along with that dead-eyed look!

Too many memorable scenes, I've left out a ton:

"I need yur clothes, yur boots, end yur motorcycle"
The Mall Fight
The Truck Chase
T-1000 emerging from the flames after the truck crash
The T-1000 impersonating the foster mother (With sword for an arm :P )
Breaking Sarah Connor out
The Nuke Dream Sequence
Arnie proving to Dyson what he is ("Now listen to meee very carefully!")
Breaking into Skynet
The Helicopter Chase
The Liquid Nitrogen Truck crash
The frozen T-1000 been shattered ("Hasta La Vista...........Baby!!") and then morphing back from the melted liquid
Arnie and T-1000 have another scrap
Sarah Connor Versus the T-1000
Destroying the T-1000
Arnie been lowered to the molten steel and finally giving the thumbs up

*sniff*

*sigh* They just don't make 'em like that anymore!

Stan Winston (who did the effects for T1 & T2) was and always will be a legend! It's a crime many people don't know this guy despite having seen most of his work!

krudler · 30-03-2010 11:51PM

One of my favourite movie stunts ever is in this, during the last big action scene where the swat van is being chased by the helicopter, theres a shot where the chopper is about to duck under a bridge but at the last second goes over it, if you watch it the pilot BARELY makes it, I'm not sure if it was intentional or not but its a great shot

aha:, 34 seconds or so into this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN7CT-ZThkU

awesome stuff, purely because it was real, god I miss real stunts, cgi stuntmen blow

The truck chase in the storm drain is still awesome, and the truck flying off the bridge into it is a moment of utter insanity from James Cameron

bonerm · 31-03-2010 12:03AM

krudler wrote: »

I'm not sure if it was intentional or not but its a great shot

That was all preplanned. Cameron gave great credit on his commentary to helicoptor stunt team/brothers Charles and Michael Tamburro for their work on T2. He said they could basically do anything with a helicoptor and said it was the most exhilarated he's ever felt with anything he's done on film (Cameron flew with the team). Imagine swooping down from hundreds of feet up to literally 3 feet off the ground in a matter of seconds.

For some of the more dangerous shots in that sequence (iirc stuff where the chopper was cutting into the truck?) the rest of the film crew refused to work in such conditions (I guess they might have still had Vic Morrow in mind?) and the callsheet basically reduced itself to the pilots, Cameron and the onscreen principles.

Ironically Michael Tamburro was killed in 1995..... in a helicopter crash. Further irony being that he was a passenger rather than pilot.

Duggy747 · 31-03-2010 12:32AM

bonerm wrote: »

For some of the more dangerous shots in that sequence (iirc stuff where the chopper was cutting into the truck?) the rest of the film crew refused to work in such conditions (I guess they might have still had Vic Morrow in mind?) and the callsheet basically reduced itself to the pilots, Cameron and the onscreen principles.

Heh, to be honest if Vic's death was still raw in my mind I wouldn't be anywhere near a helichopter.

Still an amazing shot which no amount of CGI could replace. "Oh no, the polygons are in danger!!" just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it?

ReacherCreature · 06-04-2010 02:11AM

uncleoswald wrote: »

Not pedantic, its bugs me every time. And also why didn't Arnie kill the guy who owns the bar at the start? He just walks up to him and takes his sunglasses. Makes Arnie too loveable too early. Maybe I'm just pedantic as well...

Great thread. It's late and I'm bleary-eyed but maybe the Terminator didn't kill him because the owner of the bar presented no direct threat. The Terminator can read systems and people like that (In T3, he correctly predicted that Connor wouldn't commit suicide, for example) so I'm guessing he didn't feel the need to kill him. The Resistance also re-programmed him too so don't forget they could've implemented changes to his original system.

Paleface · 06-04-2010 12:13PM

bonerm wrote: »

The T1000 was clearly malfunctioning by that point. Maybe he wasn't thinking/processing straight, or maybe he had calculated that there was a chance he'd make a f-up with the vocals if he tried an impression? After SC refused to help him well then he had to go ahead and just attempt it anyway. Just idle speculation.

Yes I agree with this. It would be backed up by the fact that when John sees his mother and then looks down at her feet they are taking the form of the metal floor that they are standing on. A dead give away at that stage. The T-1000 had a fair idea he couldn't pull it off in his current state.

Mackman · 07-04-2010 05:21AM

What a movie, absolute classic. There isnt 1 scene that i would change. not one. I loved the first one too, but the effects have dated terribly, but the effects in T2 still stand up today. Almost 20 years later. Now thats a huge feat.

I have to get the DVD back from a mate, got to watch it again

Catari Jaguar · 16-04-2010 09:25PM

Favourite film of all time. Still amazing to this day. No matter how many times I watch it, my heart still stops when John running in the mall corridor. The slow motion when he first sees the Terminator, the close up on his face when he sees the gun concealed in the roses... It turns so sinister in a second. Argh! We don't know if Terminator is good or bad, neither does he. The doors won't open, no escpae, so much tension. The music is phenomenal, the exaggerated sound of his breathing, the gun loading, the footsteps. I get chills.

Same when Sarah drops to her knees in a skid and is frantcially trying to scramble away from Terminator in the hospital. The screams are so harrowing, you can really feel her fear.

The bike scene too, amazing! Edward Furlong is so cool. He had never acted before, such a natural. I must say, I like the Bart Simpson-esque one liners & MTV-isms. It was the 90's!!

I watched the extended edition recently with my boyf and was like "Oh, that's new, that's new too, never seen this"... Was a good experience, much more violence

Blazer · 16-04-2010 09:33PM

Remember going to see this in the cinema.
Took one of the mates with me and both of us were absolutely blown away by is.
Even to this day T2 still stands head and shoulders above any other Sci-Fiction movie (maybe with the exception of the Matrix).
James Cameron will never....ever.....make a finer movie.

Simian! · 16-04-2010 10:49PM

My favourite film of all time. People are a bit condescending when they hear that but it's a perfect film from a director at the peak of his abilities.

It has aged really really well too.

Dempsey · 16-04-2010 11:17PM

plissken wrote: »

That scene has always managed to bug me every one of the many times I've watched T2. Why exactly doe's the T1000 need Sarah Connor to call John when he is more than capable of mimicing her voice and image as seen in the scene directly following ? Pedantic I know

uncleoswald wrote: »

Not pedantic, its bugs me every time. And also why didn't Arnie kill the guy who owns the bar at the start? He just walks up to him and takes his sunglasses. Makes Arnie too loveable too early. Maybe I'm just pedantic as well....

This reminds me of the Aliens thread. Absolute classic actioner (Die Hard completes the holy trinity) but suffers a little when compared to its more intelligent sci-fi original.

bonerm wrote: »

The T1000 was clearly malfunctioning by that point. Maybe he wasn't thinking/processing straight, or maybe he had calculated that there was a chance he'd make a f-up with the vocals if he tried an impression? After SC refused to help him well then he had to go ahead and just attempt it anyway. Just idle speculation.

Yea, there are a few deleted scenes where the T-1000 was clearly malfunctioning, e.g hand sticking to handrail and his shoes turning into the colour of the ground unexpectedly, this would explain why he tried to use SC to do the voice. Its a wonder why Cameron didnt have any of these scenes in the release to explain that.

EDIT

I havent watch it in a while, Im going to watch it now!

Kashkai · 16-04-2010 11:35PM

Saw it in the cinema when it was released and I was hooked from the opening scene where Connor's resistance army is fighting the skynet army. My second favourite film of all time as it goes off the boil slightly after Sarahs escape from the hospital but picks up again when she tries to kill Dyson. Very sad ending when Arnie is melted down.

It takes another Cameron movie to beat T2 into second place by which I mean Aliens. More action, more tension, more scares, more drama as the good guys die.

TheDoc · 20-04-2010 04:13AM

I actually was shown this before T1 when I was a young lad. It instantly became my favourite film, and my da tells me how I used to pull the cushion over my face and cry when he lowered himself into the steel haha.

I then remember my grandparents bought me the T1 and T2 boxset and I would watch them both one a week, unreal.

I actually love the whole series and regulary every few months sit down and watch all 4.

Terminator 1 was fantastic. The pace of the film, the soundtrack, shootouts everything. I loved Michael Biehn ( then I saw aliens and really liked him! ) and everything about it.

Terminator 2 blew me away. A good Terminator, awesome?!!? I think every kid wanted a friend like that

In many ways for me is my favourite film and probably the perfect film in my eyes.

Terminator 3 wasnt as bad for me, I still watch it and enjoy it. Yes it can be annoying, mostly because of the female terminator, dont mean to sound sexist but I find most of the films I like or love usually get ruined by female actors ( new batmans being recent female actress hatred)

Terminator Salvation I saw in the cinema and thought " that was good, good attempt, good recovery"

I watched it again then a few weeks later and thought, " yeah, thats still holding its weight"

I watched it two weeks ago and thought " that is actualy fantastic, that is pretty genius in parts" The whole story and plot and the way it was acted out I thought was tremendous, yes Christian Bale lets it slack a little but holy **** Sam is there to keep it together, and the battle scenes and fight scenes are, well, wow.

All in all a fantastic series and I cant wait to see it get tied off.

Mr.Nice Guy · 20-04-2010 05:40PM

One of my favourite films also. Also one of the best endings ever I reckon, including Sarah's words.

RoadRunner · 20-04-2010 06:04PM

krudler wrote: »

One of my favourite movie stunts ever is in this, during the last big action scene where the swat van is being chased by the helicopter, theres a shot where the chopper is about to duck under a bridge but at the last second goes over it, if you watch it the pilot BARELY makes it, I'm not sure if it was intentional or not but its a great shot

aha:, 34 seconds or so into this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN7CT-ZThkU

awesome stuff, purely because it was real, god I miss real stunts, cgi stuntmen blow

The truck chase in the storm drain is still awesome, and the truck flying off the bridge into it is a moment of utter insanity from James Cameron

Watch out for the tiny shot in that clip of the t1000 flying the chopper with 1 hand and loading his handgun with 2 different hands.

Wacker · 21-04-2010 12:07AM

cherub rock wrote: »

No matter how many times I watch it, my heart still stops when John running in the mall corridor. The slow motion when he first sees the Terminator, the close up on his face when he sees the gun concealed in the roses... It turns so sinister in a second. Argh! We don't know if Terminator is good or bad, neither does he.

I'd dispute this. I was going to show both Terminator films to the GF recently - she'd seen neither and her little about them (WTF?!?), and so I did my prep work. I watched the first few minutes of T2 again just trying to see if there were sufficient clues that give away Ahnuld's allegiance prior to the big "Get down" reveal, as I really wanted her to be surprised. I figured the music was a dead give-away - the T1000 has his ultimate villain music right from the get-go, and Ahnuld had Bad to the Bone. So decided to be sneaky! Prior to sticking the second one on, I told her loads of lies about how the sequel goes into more detail about how the war started, saying that the AIs were really thr good guys, and that the human sent back was so evil and Machiavellian that you'd cheer for the Terminator. And it worked! She was shocked when the shotgun blasts just healed themselves.

LAVADUDE · 20-04-2011 10:31AM

Not sure if this is the right place/thread to bring it up but did you know that according to Terminator 2, that Skynet was implemented on the 19th of April 2011 and started its war against Mankind on the 21st of April 2011

Even today this movie remains a classic piece of work

Mackman · 20-04-2011 10:35AM

Wasn't it 1996 or something?

abouttobebanned · 20-04-2011 10:43AM

This came out when I was 11 going on 12 and in the height of my guns n roses phase. "you could be mine" was the track from the film and I remember watching the ad on telly...all 10 seconds of it...over and over.. "hasta la viista baby"

And then my mother bringing myself and my cousin to see it.

Quality film but it's slightly being harmed by sky movies showing it every day of the week.

LAVADUDE · 20-04-2011 10:44AM

According to my sources in Terminator 2 (not Terminator 1), the date for Judgement day was changed to April 21st 2011, after the destruction of Cyberdyne

http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/19/terminator-james-cameron-skynet-blackberries-machines/
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtzsi/did_you_realize_that_according_to_terminator_2/
http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/2011/04/19
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator)#In_television

EDIT
Added date

Mitch Connor · 20-04-2011 10:47AM

Mackman wrote: »

Wasn't it 1996 or something?

it was put back, by the events of the first movie.

Not sure on the date though. I don't think April 2011 is judgement day according to T2, I think it was the TV series that set that timeline (and skipped T3 as far as I know).

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