Terminator 2

ronnie3585

What an utterly terrifying but brilliant film.

Watching it now on TV3, haven't seen it in years. Thoroughly enjoyable.

KerranJast

Pretty much a perfect film. I honestly can't think of anything that would improve it.

Ruu_Old

*shapes hand into thumbs up* :pac:

argosy2006

i think this film goes a lil down hill after they break her out,,, just a lil,

DazMarz

Truly excellent film. Remember seeing it first when I was about 12 and it just blew me away...

jaykhunter

Probably my favourite film of all time. Utterly fantastic in every aspect of filmmaking.

AVGN aka James Rolfe does a great job reviewing it if you're interested :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liXzrTo1gs4

Bowlardo

seen it about 50 times ...not all the way through 1 hour here 1 hour there can thing....." i want you clothers your boots and your motorcycle!"

migozarad

An all-time classic for me."BAD TO THE BONE.."

ziedth

I remember it's the first and prob only film I cried at the end when I was but a boy,

truly a perfect film for it's time. I still remember the kids in school talking about how the mammy killed the daddy drinking the milk carton

pah

Legendary. Probably sit down and watch the extended version of this once a year or so.

Dis is taktikally dangeruse da T-1000 has da same fiels as me, it wud anticipate dis moove.

seanybiker

What an excellent movie. Used to be jealous of the young John having a motorbike at that age and I didnt. The ending was worse than "that" part in the lion king

Black Swan

Stands in front of mirror and tries to flex arm muscle like Arnie. Nope! Guess he'll be back when I watch him do it again on T2. Remarkable Fx for the time when first released, and still fun to watch today.

Dudess

I slightly prefer The Terminator.

T2 is brilliant but I find the MTV-isms and one-liners a bit cheesy. So many awesome scenes though.

Black Swan

Actor Edward Furlong was a cool young John Conner in T2.

seanybiker

Dudess wrote: »

I slightly prefer The Terminator.

I want your keyboard, your modem and your mouse.
Dont be back.
Tee he he.

Magic Eight Ball

Dudess wrote: »

I slightly prefer The Terminator.

T2 is brilliant but I find the MTV-isms and one-liners a bit cheesy. So many awesome scenes though.

I'm the same. For a long time is was T2 for me but after a recent viewing of the original I'd have to put my hands up. As amazing as T2 is (and it's pretty ****ing amazing) the original is superior.

bonerm

That's odd. Entirely by coincidence I've actually been working my way to the Skynet Edition Blu-Ray set this weekend (which I would reccommend - except for the Interative Mode thingy which I didn't really like using).

Anyway, from watching it I'd just like to say everyone considers this movie to be the first great use of CG in a movie (and it probably is) but it was amazing to learn how much of it was actually done with practical effects! There's stuff on the T1000 that I had been convinced for 19 years were done on computers but were actually done in camera. Stan Winstons team did an excellent job.

In way it's unfortunate that CG caught on in the way it did as I can't think of a single CG-heavy blockbuster movie that has as much involvement or emotional weight as this one. It's no coincidence that the only summer blockbusters since 1991 to take it back to the level of T2 were the first Matrix, and the 2x new Batman movies (all of which also relied heavily on the seemingly unfashionable arts of models, stunt-work and practical effects).

johndoe99

seanybiker wrote: »

I want your keyboard, your modem and your mouse.

Brilliant movie, the rest are pretty good too, but none of the sequels have matched this yet.

Bowlardo

bonerm wrote: »

In way it's unfortunate that CG caught on in the way it did as I can't think of a single CG-heavy blockbuster movie that has as much involvement or emotional weight as this one. It's no coincidence that the only summer blockbusters since 1991 to take it back to the level of T2 were the first Matrix, and the 2x new Batman movies (all of which also relied heavily on the seemingly unfashionable arts of models, stunt-work and practical effects).

Totally agree with you. The first transmormers was fairly fooking mental ...but zero emotional weight

r3nu4l

I saw T2 in the cinema when it first came out and loved every minute of it. I loved both The Terminator and T2 but my god, the movies since then have been pants imo :mad:

Klingon Hamlet

That bit gave me nightmares.

Then I grew up

And listened to the Jim Cameron commentary, where he explained how some nuclear specialists informed him that the dream sequence was an incredibly realistic depiction of the effects of a nuclear attack.

Now I get nightmares again.

The film packed a lot of emotional weight, thanks to Sarah Connor being very insane, and very right. The way the whole world was about to crumble, and everyone seemed pitted against the good guys...cops, docs, liquid Terminator...gave it an extra edge.

T-800's emotional arc, if you can call it that, was interesting. But I loved his interpretation of instructions. "I sweah I will nod kill anywon." BANG BANG. "He'll live."

John Connor bugged me, both the writing and the acting was atrocious.

Miles Dyson was the best gatekeeper in any mythology (look up Hero with a Thousand Faces). He had a sparse ten minutes in the film, but from moment one he had me worried for him.

Action scenes were tremendous. The cannon-booms (real cannon-booms) of T-800's gun as he chased afer Connor and T-1000 on the freeway. T-800 hopping onto T-1000's pursuing truck near the end, and simply firing his machine gun through the windscreen and into T-1000's face til the magazine clicked empty.

The film pioneered CG technology, but much like any other tech-developments, it was misused and abused in most films ever since. Cameron used CG to tell the story, and depict unbelievable things. But he also used practical effects (and twins) whenever possible.

So T2 for me had weight not just in story and feeling, but in its real-world dynamics. The fights looked and felt real. The nuclear shockwave turning buildings and bodys to dust felt precisely as horrific as it was supposed to (God bless miniatures).

My only WTF moment was subsequent to them escaping the mental hospital and the underground car-park. Back projection behind the car? WTF?

Oh and the extended edition adds an unwanted flavour. A bit of levity is appreciated, but, eh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qghHwB1ZW5A

Creature

Dudess wrote: »

I slightly prefer The Terminator.

T2 is brilliant but I find the MTV-isms and one-liners a bit cheesy. So many awesome scenes though.

I like the first one a lot but I find the effects have aged horribly to the point where it really impacts the enjoyment of the film also the T-1000 in T2 is a far, far better adversary than the standard Arnie cyborg.
Though, I do really like the grittier more grim tone of the first one. The massacre in the police station is a fantastic scene.

Ah dammit they're both great.

MJ23

"Call John now"
One of the best films ever. I've seen about 200 times easily.
Terminator 3 was shíte, the new one wasnt much better.
The Sarah Connor Chronicles is very good though.

tman

bonerm wrote: »

That's odd. Entirely by coincidence I've actually been working my way to the Skynet Edition Blu-Ray set this weekend (which I would reccommend - except for the Interative Mode thingy which I didn't really like using).

Keep meaning to watch it again myself, had a quick flick through it to check the quality but just haven't had time to sit through it.
Definitely one of my favourite films of all time, just a shame that they never managed to follow it up properly

MagicMarker

Greatest. Stunt. Ever.

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Klingon Hamlet

tman wrote: »

Keep meaning to watch it again myself, had a quick flick through it to check the quality but just haven't had time to sit through it.
Definitely one of my favourite films of all time, just a shame that they never managed to follow it up properly

Excellent AV quality.

I don't think it needed a sequel. It ended pretty completely. The non-canonical book sequels were supposed to be very good. Hated T3, T4 and the show.

GavRedKing

Purchased the Blu-ray skynet edition from amazon last week and got it Friday, watched it during the weekend and absolutely fell in love with it again.

Great film.

I thought I had seen somewhere where Cameroon went on record to say that for him the series was done at the end of T2 and he didnt want to sign on for a re-make as his story had been told, could be wrong though.

JP Liz V1

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Actor Edward Furlong was a cool young John Conner in T2.

And so hot

Caveat

Dudess wrote: »

T2 is brilliant but I find the MTV-isms and one-liners a bit cheesy.

+1

Plenty of corny/clunky dialogue too. The editing/action/effects/pacing - all of that stuff is fantastic though - really compelling.

Thought Robert Patrick was perfectly cast. Linda Hamilton turned out to be a much better actress than I thought previously as well.

Am I the only one who thinks the young Furlong wasn't a very good actor though?

jaykhunter

gavredking wrote: »

Purchased the Blu-ray skynet edition from amazon last week and got it Friday, watched it during the weekend and absolutely fell in love with it again.

Great film.

I thought I had seen somewhere where Cameroon went on record to say that for him the series was done at the end of T2 and he didnt want to sign on for a re-make as his story had been told, could be wrong though.

I remember him saying he wanted to do a T3, but he wasn't available to do it for the studio's iron-clad summer 2003 release. They managed to wrestle away the intellectual property from him and just got their own guy to do it.

I would love for him to go back and do another Terminator...just not another chase film since it's been done/parodied in T3 to death :pac:

Greyfox

bonerm wrote: »

I can't think of a single CG-heavy blockbuster movie that has as much involvement or emotional weight as this one.

+100

By a mile the best action film ever made and a strong contender for the best film ever! I still remember how blown away I was when I first seen this! Superb story and the benchmark of how to make action films, sadly they don't make films this good any more and never will!

In work now reading this thread and feeling excited about the idea of watching this film again on DVD when I go home, even thought I've seen it 100 times or so this is one of those rare films that hold up superbly on repeat viewings

plissken

MJ23 wrote: »

"Call John now"
One of the best films ever. I've seen about 200 times easily.
Terminator 3 was shíte, the new one wasnt much better.
The Sarah Connor Chronicles is very good though.

That scene has always managed to bug me every one of the many times I've watched T2. Why exactly doe's the T1000 need Sarah Connor to call John when he is more than capable of mimicing her voice and image as seen in the scene directly following ? Pedantic I know

uncleoswald

plissken wrote: »

That scene has always managed to bug me every one of the many times I've watched T2. Why exactly doe's the T1000 need Sarah Connor to call John when he is more than capable of mimicing her voice and image as seen in the scene directly following ? Pedantic I know

Not pedantic, its bugs me every time. And also why didn't Arnie kill the guy who owns the bar at the start? He just walks up to him and takes his sunglasses. Makes Arnie too loveable too early. Maybe I'm just pedantic as well....

This reminds me of the Aliens thread. Absolute classic actioner (Die Hard completes the holy trinity) but suffers a little when compared to its more intelligent sci-fi original.

bonerm

plissken wrote: »

That scene has always managed to bug me every one of the many times I've watched T2. Why exactly doe's the T1000 need Sarah Connor to call John when he is more than capable of mimicing her voice and image as seen in the scene directly following ? Pedantic I know

The T1000 was clearly malfunctioning by that point. Maybe he wasn't thinking/processing straight, or maybe he had calculated that there was a chance he'd make a f-up with the vocals if he tried an impression? After SC refused to help him well then he had to go ahead and just attempt it anyway. Just idle speculation.

plissken

bonerm wrote: »

The T1000 was clearly malfunctioning by that point. Maybe he wasn't thinking/processing straight, or maybe he had calculated that there was a chance he'd make a f-up with the vocals if he tried an impression? After SC refused to help him well then he had to go ahead and just attempt it anyway. Just idle speculation.

It's actually not a bad explanation at all

seanybiker

So how many of ye tried to do teh T1000 run over the years and where queit surprised at the speed you get ?

TherapyBoy

plissken wrote: »

That scene has always managed to bug me every one of the many times I've watched T2. Why exactly doe's the T1000 need Sarah Connor to call John when he is more than capable of mimicing her voice and image as seen in the scene directly following ? Pedantic I know

I always thought it was a control thing, to make her do something she didn't want to do, and that would harm her son. He could have done it anytime he wanted but to make her a part in the death of her son just gave him an evil edge. It was something a human "bad-guy" would have done.

foxyboxer

although the plot is a big-budget rehash of the original. it's an excellent re-hash.

it's a perma-fixture on my favourite films list.

MickShamrock

One of my favourite movies growing up.

rgt320q

Hands down, the greatest action film ever. Simple as.

Duggy747

It's Terminator 2...............what can be said that isn't already proven on film?

Best.Action.Movie.Ever!!

I saw it when my brother rented it the day it came out on VHS...........Arnie has been firmly embedded in my head and 17 years later he still sits on the throne of action heroes! (Well Sly sits beside him, too.................it's a 2-seater throne :pac:)

And yes, I have ran like the T-1000 plenty of times; Hands opened straight along with that dead-eyed look!

Too many memorable scenes, I've left out a ton:

"I need yur clothes, yur boots, end yur motorcycle"
The Mall Fight
The Truck Chase
T-1000 emerging from the flames after the truck crash
The T-1000 impersonating the foster mother (With sword for an arm :P )
Breaking Sarah Connor out
The Nuke Dream Sequence
Arnie proving to Dyson what he is ("Now listen to meee very carefully!")
Breaking into Skynet
The Helicopter Chase
The Liquid Nitrogen Truck crash
The frozen T-1000 been shattered ("Hasta La Vista...........Baby!!") and then morphing back from the melted liquid
Arnie and T-1000 have another scrap
Sarah Connor Versus the T-1000
Destroying the T-1000
Arnie been lowered to the molten steel and finally giving the thumbs up

*sniff*

*sigh* They just don't make 'em like that anymore!

Stan Winston (who did the effects for T1 & T2) was and always will be a legend! It's a crime many people don't know this guy despite having seen most of his work!

krudler

One of my favourite movie stunts ever is in this, during the last big action scene where the swat van is being chased by the helicopter, theres a shot where the chopper is about to duck under a bridge but at the last second goes over it, if you watch it the pilot BARELY makes it, I'm not sure if it was intentional or not but its a great shot

aha:, 34 seconds or so into this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN7CT-ZThkU

awesome stuff, purely because it was real, god I miss real stunts, cgi stuntmen blow

The truck chase in the storm drain is still awesome, and the truck flying off the bridge into it is a moment of utter insanity from James Cameron

bonerm

krudler wrote: »

I'm not sure if it was intentional or not but its a great shot

That was all preplanned. Cameron gave great credit on his commentary to helicoptor stunt team/brothers Charles and Michael Tamburro for their work on T2. He said they could basically do anything with a helicoptor and said it was the most exhilarated he's ever felt with anything he's done on film (Cameron flew with the team). Imagine swooping down from hundreds of feet up to literally 3 feet off the ground in a matter of seconds.

For some of the more dangerous shots in that sequence (iirc stuff where the chopper was cutting into the truck?) the rest of the film crew refused to work in such conditions (I guess they might have still had Vic Morrow in mind?) and the callsheet basically reduced itself to the pilots, Cameron and the onscreen principles.

Ironically Michael Tamburro was killed in 1995..... in a helicopter crash. Further irony being that he was a passenger rather than pilot.

Duggy747

bonerm wrote: »

For some of the more dangerous shots in that sequence (iirc stuff where the chopper was cutting into the truck?) the rest of the film crew refused to work in such conditions (I guess they might have still had Vic Morrow in mind?) and the callsheet basically reduced itself to the pilots, Cameron and the onscreen principles.

Heh, to be honest if Vic's death was still raw in my mind I wouldn't be anywhere near a helichopter.

Still an amazing shot which no amount of CGI could replace. "Oh no, the polygons are in danger!!" just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it?

ReacherCreature

uncleoswald wrote: »

Not pedantic, its bugs me every time. And also why didn't Arnie kill the guy who owns the bar at the start? He just walks up to him and takes his sunglasses. Makes Arnie too loveable too early. Maybe I'm just pedantic as well...

Great thread. It's late and I'm bleary-eyed but maybe the Terminator didn't kill him because the owner of the bar presented no direct threat. The Terminator can read systems and people like that (In T3, he correctly predicted that Connor wouldn't commit suicide, for example) so I'm guessing he didn't feel the need to kill him. The Resistance also re-programmed him too so don't forget they could've implemented changes to his original system.

Paleface

bonerm wrote: »

The T1000 was clearly malfunctioning by that point. Maybe he wasn't thinking/processing straight, or maybe he had calculated that there was a chance he'd make a f-up with the vocals if he tried an impression? After SC refused to help him well then he had to go ahead and just attempt it anyway. Just idle speculation.

Yes I agree with this. It would be backed up by the fact that when John sees his mother and then looks down at her feet they are taking the form of the metal floor that they are standing on. A dead give away at that stage. The T-1000 had a fair idea he couldn't pull it off in his current state.

Mackman

What a movie, absolute classic. There isnt 1 scene that i would change. not one. I loved the first one too, but the effects have dated terribly, but the effects in T2 still stand up today. Almost 20 years later. Now thats a huge feat.

I have to get the DVD back from a mate, got to watch it again

Catari Jaguar

Favourite film of all time. Still amazing to this day. No matter how many times I watch it, my heart still stops when John running in the mall corridor. The slow motion when he first sees the Terminator, the close up on his face when he sees the gun concealed in the roses... It turns so sinister in a second. Argh! We don't know if Terminator is good or bad, neither does he. The doors won't open, no escpae, so much tension. The music is phenomenal, the exaggerated sound of his breathing, the gun loading, the footsteps. I get chills.

Same when Sarah drops to her knees in a skid and is frantcially trying to scramble away from Terminator in the hospital. The screams are so harrowing, you can really feel her fear.

The bike scene too, amazing! Edward Furlong is so cool. He had never acted before, such a natural. I must say, I like the Bart Simpson-esque one liners & MTV-isms. It was the 90's!!

I watched the extended edition recently with my boyf and was like "Oh, that's new, that's new too, never seen this"... Was a good experience, much more violence

Blazer

Remember going to see this in the cinema.
Took one of the mates with me and both of us were absolutely blown away by is.
Even to this day T2 still stands head and shoulders above any other Sci-Fiction movie (maybe with the exception of the Matrix).
James Cameron will never....ever.....make a finer movie.

Simian!

My favourite film of all time. People are a bit condescending when they hear that but it's a perfect film from a director at the peak of his abilities.

It has aged really really well too.

Dempsey

plissken wrote: »

That scene has always managed to bug me every one of the many times I've watched T2. Why exactly doe's the T1000 need Sarah Connor to call John when he is more than capable of mimicing her voice and image as seen in the scene directly following ? Pedantic I know

uncleoswald wrote: »

Not pedantic, its bugs me every time. And also why didn't Arnie kill the guy who owns the bar at the start? He just walks up to him and takes his sunglasses. Makes Arnie too loveable too early. Maybe I'm just pedantic as well....

This reminds me of the Aliens thread. Absolute classic actioner (Die Hard completes the holy trinity) but suffers a little when compared to its more intelligent sci-fi original.

bonerm wrote: »

The T1000 was clearly malfunctioning by that point. Maybe he wasn't thinking/processing straight, or maybe he had calculated that there was a chance he'd make a f-up with the vocals if he tried an impression? After SC refused to help him well then he had to go ahead and just attempt it anyway. Just idle speculation.

Yea, there are a few deleted scenes where the T-1000 was clearly malfunctioning, e.g hand sticking to handrail and his shoes turning into the colour of the ground unexpectedly, this would explain why he tried to use SC to do the voice. Its a wonder why Cameron didnt have any of these scenes in the release to explain that.

EDIT

I havent watch it in a while, Im going to watch it now!