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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    Just came across 2 articles I haven't seen before:
    Attorney wants Phoebe's medical records
    http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1246073




    Aunt told school that Phoebe was "susceptible" to bullying,before she even started school.
    http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1245227



    Although in this article they are saying that the fact that the school was warned beforehand that Phoebe was susceptible to bullying, should have made them keep a closer eye on her, I'm worried that the attorney who is trying to dig up everything from her past will use this as an example that she was somehow always emotionally fragile, to try and take some of the blame of the bullies.
    Do you think that Phoebes, medical and psychological records (if there even are any) should be allowed in court?
    I mean what purpose does it serve to request the names of any psychologists or rape counselors that Phoebe attended, when it was consensual sex (although statuatory rape), they just seem to be trying there best to dig up some kind of "dirt" on her, even after she's dead.
    I know it's only their job, but still bothers me.
    Noreen1 wrote: »
    What bothers me is the fact that this will add to the suffering of her family.
    I rather suspect that if she had previously been diagnosed as being depressed, it could affect the outcome of the trial.
    In all honesty, whether the child had previous problems, or not, no-one has any justification to bully another human being.

    I hope her family find consolation, and that Phoebe gets the justice she deserves.

    Noreen

    The family will suffer more! The defence team is using the usual shit of attacking Pheobe and trying to state that she may have had previous mental health issues to try and detract from what those little bastards did. Regardless of any health issue that may have hounded the poor girl, the actions of those involved shouldn't go unpunished.

    It sickens me to think that they're trying there best to get these off scott free, when they should be taught a valuble life lesson, that their actions have consequences and human life isn't a commodity to be poked fun at for their amusement, little pricks!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Attorney Bradley Henry said the case might hinge on whether school officials gave Prince’s family assurances of her safety. “The more specific the assurance that Phoebe would be safe, the more likely it is that the administrators can be held liable,” Henry said.

    This a very telling paragraph from article above if family brings a civel suit against suit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    djhunter30 wrote: »
    The family will suffer more! The defence team is using the usual shit of attacking Pheobe and trying to state that she may have had previous mental health issues to try and detract from what those little bastards did. Regardless of any health issue that may have hounded the poor girl, the actions of those involved shouldn't go unpunished.

    It sickens me to think that they're trying there best to get these off scott free, when they should be taught a valuble life lesson, that their actions have consequences and human life isn't a commodity to be poked fun at for their amusement, little pricks!
    Okay what about the 7 or so families that will be Destroyed when their children are incarcerated for the next quarter of a century?

    I know a lot of you think its unpopular, but those families have as much right to undue suffering. And I don't think withholding evidence is going to do anybody a favor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭SlabMurphy


    Overheal wrote: »
    Okay what about the 7 or so families that will be Destroyed when their children are incarcerated for the next quarter of a century?

    I know a lot of you think its unpopular, but those families have as much right to undue suffering. And I don't think withholding evidence is going to do anybody a favor.
    Well obviously the parents gave the bully's their value system so f**k the parents of the bullies, no hurt or pain or embarrasment is deep enough for them. And as for their brothers and sisters, well maybe they will now know better than to be a bully and torment a young girl so badly that they take their life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Overheal wrote: »
    Okay what about the 7 or so families that will be Destroyed when their children are incarcerated for the next quarter of a century?
    They shouldn't have raised scumbags tbh. Children shouldn't have to pay for the crimes of their parents, but I've no problem with parents suffering because they did a **** job.

    There's no such thing as an evil child. It takes a long and protracted campaign of negligent parenting to turn a child into a vicious piece of ****.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    seamus wrote: »
    They shouldn't have raised scumbags tbh. Children shouldn't have to pay for the crimes of their parents, but I've no problem with parents suffering because they did a **** job.

    There's no such thing as an evil child. It takes a long and protracted campaign of negligent parenting to turn a child into a vicious piece of ****.

    I'm not so sure. I think that negligent or even abusive parenting can turn a child into a vicious little creature. I don't believe that this is the only possible reason, though.

    If these kids were four years old, then, fair enough, the primary responsibility would lie with the parents. The thing is, they are all old enough to know that what they did was very wrong, though probably not sufficiently mature to appreciate the full gravity of their wrongdoing.

    Noreen


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    Overheal wrote: »
    Okay what about the 7 or so families that will be Destroyed when their children are incarcerated for the next quarter of a century?

    I know a lot of you think its unpopular, but those families have as much right to undue suffering. And I don't think withholding evidence is going to do anybody a favor.

    I don't think withholding evidence is a good idea. However, the question is how that evidence should be used.
    eg. If a child has problems, does that mean bullies are less culpable for their actions? Or that some level of Bullying is acceptable?

    I think that at least some of the parents deserve some sympathy. It must be truly horrendous, if you are a halfway decent human being at all, to have your child involved in such an incident. Different parents obviously deserve different levels of sympathy.

    I think there are wider societal implications in this. This didn't just happen because "Johnny, Jack and Mary" had poor parents. This has happened in other school/workplaces throughout the world.

    We need to first investigate, honestly, the reasons these incidents occur.
    What are the combined factors that lead to such tragedies? How do we try to ensure that society is not an unwitting accomplice?

    I don't think we will find the answers in a court of Law - But we do need answers, urgently.

    It may not help those who are grieving now. But it would help others who might potentially find themselves in a similar situation in the future. I can only hope that that would be of some comfort to those who are bereaved.

    Noreen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Noreen1 wrote: »
    I don't think withholding evidence is a good idea. However, the question is how that evidence should be used.
    eg. If a child has problems, does that mean bullies are less culpable for their actions? Or that some level of Bullying is acceptable?
    No its like - say I made a Your Ma joke. Most people will see it for Tongue in cheek; but if your Mom had died or something, You might take it very personally.

    Similarly what happens when two kids and school fight eachother, but one of them doesnt know the other was a Haemaphiliac? Is he more guilty simply because the other Child was a Haemaphiliac, or would you have to prove the other child knew he was a Haemaphiliac? Would you just assume additional malicious intent?

    Similarly, a teacher impresses upon her students the importance of your Mock Exam. And you get a D. And that student decides to jump in front of a train. Thats happened.

    Which leads us to bullying. Bullying is bad enough. Yes. Definitely. Ive been bullied. But if someone calls me fat do they really [Really Really] expect me to go hang myself?

    Like I said, the Defense has a duty to ascertain any volatility there may have already been in the girl's behavior, rest her soul.
    I think that at least some of the parents deserve some sympathy. It must be truly horrendous, if you are a halfway decent human being at all, to have your child involved in such an incident. Different parents obviously deserve different levels of sympathy.
    Sure, and parents can have the best intentions. And it breaks their hearts to see their kids doing drugs, bullying people, stealing. They may be bad parents, with the wrong skills. But were they negligent? Did they try? Did they believe they were raising their child to the best of their ability? Or did they really just not give a ****? Its negligence vs. incompetence. You have to be able to ascertain that, for a dozen parents involved in this case.
    I think there are wider societal implications in this. This didn't just happen because "Johnny, Jack and Mary" had poor parents. This has happened in other school/workplaces throughout the world.

    We need to first investigate, honestly, the reasons these incidents occur.
    What are the combined factors that lead to such tragedies? How do we try to ensure that society is not an unwitting accomplice?

    I don't think we will find the answers in a court of Law - But we do need answers, urgently.

    It may not help those who are grieving now. But it would help others who might potentially find themselves in a similar situation in the future. I can only hope that that would be of some comfort to those who are bereaved.

    Noreen
    Absolutely. Im sure its hard for anyone, for example, to bear the loss of someone they loved to drink driving. But in the decades since we've learned so much about the dangers, its saved countless lives. Its been worth it. And frankly its honored their memories, to look at, investigate and engage the issues surrounding their deaths.

    Similarly we do justice to countless suicides the world over to investigate every facet of teenage depression and bullying, and not for one second would I condone withholding records just to the comfort of one family vs. hundreds of thousands.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    Overheal wrote: »
    Okay what about the 7 or so families that will be Destroyed when their children are incarcerated for the next quarter of a century?

    I know a lot of you think its unpopular, but those families have as much right to undue suffering. And I don't think withholding evidence is going to do anybody a favor.

    They can still see their children pretty much every day, there children would be released at some stage.

    If the Prince family want to see their daughter, they've to look at old pictures or take a trip to graveyard.

    My sympathy doesn't really extend to the family of the scum that caused a young girl to take her own life to be honest. **** them.


  • Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭ Maisie Straight Test


    Overheal wrote: »
    No its like - say I made a Your Ma joke. Most people will see it for Tongue in cheek; but if your Mom had died or something, You might take it very personally.

    Similarly what happens when two kids and school fight eachother, but one of them doesnt know the other was a Haemaphiliac? Is he more guilty simply because the other Child was a Haemaphiliac, or would you have to prove the other child knew he was a Haemaphiliac? Would you just assume additional malicious intent?

    Similarly, a teacher impresses upon her students the importance of your Mock Exam. And you get a D. And that student decides to jump in front of a train. Thats happened.

    Which leads us to bullying. Bullying is bad enough. Yes. Definitely. Ive been bullied. But if someone calls me fat do they really [Really Really] expect me to go hang myself?

    Like I said, the Defense has a duty to ascertain any volatility there may have already been in the girl's behavior, rest her soul.

    Excellent point, pretty much what I tried to say but you said it better. You can't blame any of this stuff solely on external factors.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    Overheal wrote: »
    No its like - say I made a Your Ma joke. Most people will see it for Tongue in cheek; but if your Mom had died or something, You might take it very personally.

    Similarly what happens when two kids and school fight eachother, but one of them doesnt know the other was a Haemaphiliac? Is he more guilty simply because the other Child was a Haemaphiliac, or would you have to prove the other child knew he was a Haemaphiliac? Would you just assume additional malicious intent?

    Similarly, a teacher impresses upon her students the importance of your Mock Exam. And you get a D. And that student decides to jump in front of a train. Thats happened.

    Which leads us to bullying. Bullying is bad enough. Yes. Definitely. Ive been bullied. But if someone calls me fat do they really [Really Really] expect me to go hang myself?

    Like I said, the Defense has a duty to ascertain any volatility there may have already been in the girl's behavior, rest her soul.
    Sure, and parents can have the best intentions. And it breaks their hearts to see their kids doing drugs, bullying people, stealing. They may be bad parents, with the wrong skills. But were they negligent? Did they try? Did they believe they were raising their child to the best of their ability? Or did they really just not give a ****? Its negligence vs. incompetence. You have to be able to ascertain that, for a dozen parents involved in this case.

    Absolutely. Im sure its hard for anyone, for example, to bear the loss of someone they loved to drink driving. But in the decades since we've learned so much about the dangers, its saved countless lives. Its been worth it. And frankly its honored their memories, to look at, investigate and engage the issues surrounding their deaths.

    Similarly we do justice to countless suicides the world over to investigate every facet of teenage depression and bullying, and not for one second would I condone withholding records just to the comfort of one family vs. hundreds of thousands.

    I see your point, and I agree with it to a certain extent. I remain concerned, however, that a canny defence team might exaggerate any existing problems (if, indeed, there were any), to reduce the sentence meted out to the defendants.

    Reading back on my previous post, I probably didn't emphasise that, at this point, I would question the ability of any court, no matter how dedicated, to reach any long-term solution to this situation. ie. Irrespective of what sentence, if any, the defendants receive - It will not solve the problem of Bullying, at school, in the workplace, the home, or anywhere else.

    Therefore I am suggesting that society, as a whole, needs to address the issue, rather than being deluded into thinking that one court case will solve the problem. We need to collate all the available information, then work, as a society, to address the causative issues.

    Noreen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Well look, I've restrained myself from saying this is Not the Irish Justice System, because I don't want to pour salt in a wound. But its not. I understand the concerns that they will walk scott free, but the chances are incredibly slim.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭Noreen1


    Overheal wrote: »
    Well look, I've restrained myself from saying this is Not the Irish Justice System, because I don't want to pour salt in a wound. But its not. I understand the concerns that they will walk scott free, but the chances are incredibly slim.

    I think we are all aware that this is not the Irish justice system. The point is, Bullying is a worldwide problem. Therefore the onus is on society, in every country, to examine the causative reasons for Bullying, and try to find preventive solutions.

    Society is not just a justice system, nor can any justice system, anywhere, achieve the required effect.

    Increasing the fine for motoring offences may achieve a reduction in the levels of offence.

    Issues like bullying, or abuse, are more complicated in their origins, and therefore a different approach is required, in addition to the justice system in any given country.

    I'm not attacking the justice system, I'm saying that it's time for society - all of society - ie. Parents, Peers, Educational Establishments, Social services, The Media, Government policymakers etc., - to sit down and work out a cohesive strategy to prevent Bullying and abuse.

    "Prevention is better than cure".

    Noreen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭dr gonzo


    This is a tough issue to call in terms of legality. As has already been said you cant really say that in general terms a bully really intends to drive a person to suicide(extreme factors of this case notwithstanding) but nevertheless abuse on such an incomprehensible level needs to be punished. This trial, provided that the defendants are convicted will set an excellent precedent in US courts, people will know that destroying a person mentally through bullying to the point that they would take their own life is akin to murder or at least manslaughter.

    As for people angered by the defense council attempting to get them off, well thats them doing their job which is a constitutional right and needs to be accepted, unfortunately for Phoebes family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭KINGVictor


    kelle wrote: »
    Fair play to the Americans for prosecuting those pieces of vermin.

    There was a similar tragedy involving a young girl from Wexford about 2 years ago, but nothing was ever done. It was unknown why the girl had commited suicide until her sister found her diary detailing the bullying - and the names of the bullies. It was discussed on radio, but their names were not allowed to be given! I wish I could find the link.

    I hope there will be justice for Phoebe.

    EDIT: Here's a link http://www.rte.ie/tv/wouldyoubelieve/bullied.html


    This is a very sad story and I really commiserate with her family and friends. I also hope the prepetrators of this vile crime are brought to justice. It is very commendable that the police in the states have swiftly investigated the matter and charged the bullies.

    This issue has generated a lot of emotive replies and responces on boards, only if the same was shown to the poor Nigerian kid that was murdered a few weeks ago . i also noticed that the police in this case have been giving regular updates and information about the case and not trying to let it die down, only if it could happen in Toyosi's case as well....Only If.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Good to see some parents speaking out for Phoebe. Encouraged by this but Boiselles repeated denials that staff new nothing about bullying is starting to grate a little.
    Police had to intervene and three parents were taken from the hall after speaking out at a very tense meeting of the South Hadley School Committee on Thursday night. The chairman of the committee resigned amid heated discussions and a strong police presence.

    The three parents angrily demanded the resignation of school officials over the bullying death of Irish girls Phoebe Prince who hung herself on January 14th.

    It was the first meeting of the school committee since six students were charged with the bullying of Phoebe.

    Chairman, Edward Boisselle, called the coverage and the event since the suicide a “mob mentality,” and repeated that school staff had not known that Phoebe was tormented by the bullies.

    Boisselle stepped down as chairman, but claimed it was not related to the Prince case.

    Some parents defended the school officials , saying that they were trying their best and they should stay on.

    Others however, stated that they had lost credibility and should resign, and that the school did not do enough to defend Phoebe Prince. The police intervened when some exchanges became overheated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 Im Q


    Anybody that treats another human being so badly, not once but regularly deserves to have their legs chopped off. I would love to bully the lot of them with a baseball bat for a week. They just spread the same out over a longer period.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Im Q wrote: »
    Anybody that treats another human being so badly, not once but regularly deserves to have their legs chopped off. I would love to bully the lot of them with a baseball bat for a week. They just spread the same out over a longer period.
    Wouldnt go that far but am particularly incensed about the facts of this case. What I think will happen is that they will get off on maybe reduced sentences that will probably be suspended.
    And given that Family are looking at the option of a civil suit cant see an apology from school authorities in any near future


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    Im Q wrote: »
    Anybody that treats another human being so badly, not once but regularly deserves to have their legs chopped off. I would love to bully the lot of them with a baseball bat for a week. They just spread the same out over a longer period.

    The simple fact mate is that nobody should breathe from these creatons! I can't imagine their offspring would be any better.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Update from Sindo who are taking a big interest in this story as its the second piece they have run on it in consectutive issues. Have highlighted some of the text. What amazes me is that Judge has told the charged teenagers not to have any interaction with the Prince family. Would think if they had any decency or remorse whatsoever that wouldnt even need to be said
    THE Facebook photograph shows Sean Mulveyhill and Katie Broderick laughing with each other at the local school dance in South Hadley, Massachusetts, just two days after their Irish schoolmate, Phoebe Prince, 15, took her own life. Dressed in a tuxedo and ballgown, the handsome 17-year-old football player and his pretty young friend look as though the girl who didn't get to go to the dance is very far from their minds.

    Their indifference was matched by that of many of their classmates. The day after Phoebe died, Mulveyhill's friend Ashley Longe, 16, referred to Phoebe in an especially callous message on her Facebook page: "She brought it on herself." On other websites, offensive messages posted about Phoebe were subsequently taken down.

    At the time it appeared that nothing would be done about this online taunting. Phoebe's family had her body cremated and brought home to Co Clare, and locals in Massachusetts believed that the young people who had bullied her would go unpunished.

    That all changed last week, when Sean Mulveyhill was formally charged with statutory rape of Phoebe, as well as harassment, civil rights violations and disruption of a school assembly. Nine of his classmates and friends also face charges, ranging from statutory rape to stalking. Among them is Ashley Longe, who faces charges of violations of civil rights as a youthful offender.

    In the face of intense criticism, senior school officials have insisted that they became aware that Phoebe was having problems only a week before she died. A subsequent school investigation revealed no previous incidents, they said.

    However, in new court papers prosecutors say that, contrary to these claims, the bullying Phoebe endured was "common knowledge" in the school both among staff and the student body, and that she had sought help from school authorities a week before she died. The District Attorney in charge of the case, Elizabeth Scheibel, also says that Phoebe's mother, Ann, spoke to school administrators about concerns that her daughter was being bullied.

    Essays written by Phoebe and seen by the Sunday Independent also show that teachers could have had cause for concern. In one she quotes from a book called Cutting, by Dr Steven Levenkron, which deals with self-harm. In her review of the book, Phoebe writes: "From a personal point of view I can see that Levenkron does truly understand the concept of self- mutilation and how it's not about suicide, in most cases it's about trying to transfer the pain from emotional to physical pain which is a lot easier to deal with for most adolescents who most likely don't even understand how they're feeling."

    Self-harm is a well known warning sign that someone may be at risk of taking their own life.

    In the essays, Phoebe also writes of her dislike of Facebook and Twitter, two social networking websites on which she was being taunted.

    The new court documents paint a picture of the final day of Phoebe's life. According to prosecutors, she told school officials that she was "scared and wanted to go home". When the school refused to allow this, Phoebe went back to class and told a classmate that she expected to be beaten up that day.

    Later in the day, Phoebe was in the library with friends. There at the same time were Kayla Narey -- who is charged with violation of civil rights resulting in bodily harm -- Mulveyhill, and Ashley Longe. According to prosecutors, Longe began yelling, "I hate stupid sluts,'' and other sexual slurs, at Phoebe. She later called Phoebe an "Irish whore'' and wrote similar descriptions on the library sign-in sheets.

    At the end of the school day, Longe allegedly again screamed, "Why don't you just open your legs," at Phoebe in the school auditorium.

    Mulveyhill encouraged Longe's behaviour and also called Phoebe a "whore", while Narey, sitting nearby, was laughing, prosecutors said. Just a few minutes later, Longe threw an empty can of a sports drink from a car at Phoebe, who was walking home. Longe laughed and called her a whore, court documents say. Phoebe, according to the witness, was crying.

    Later that afternoon, Phoebe took her own life.

    At the time of her death, Phoebe had been in the US for just four months. She was born in England, but when she was two years old her family moved to an area near Lisdoonvarna in Co Clare. She attended the local Mary Immaculate Secondary School where her mother taught. Last September her mother took Phoebe and her younger sister Lauren, 12, to South Hadley, where Phoebe's aunt lived, so that the 15-year-old could experience America.

    Her death ignited fierce debate in Massachusetts, and in late March legislators voted for a groundbreaking anti-bullying bill. The bill makes illegal bullying at schools, on school buses and through electronic devices such as mobile phones, email and internet social networking sites. It also outlaws retaliation against people who report bullying to authorities, and it requires training for teachers and school staff.

    Darby O'Brien, a local public relations specialist and friend of the family, said last week that not enough had been done to protect Phoebe. "If one adult, one official from that school had stepped in during that time, this wouldn't have happened. Why didn't the officials stop it? They claimed they only knew about it the week she died, and now we know that's not true," said O'Brien.

    The school's handling of the bullying has also come under fire from prominent figures in America. In an interview last week with Larry King on CNN, the entertainer and comedian Bill Cosby said, "I don't know if 'shocked' is the word as... as much as I just did not believe. I don't believe that you can take a job as a teacher, as a superintendent, as a principal and... and not recognise, when you're being told by parents."

    Cosby contrasted what happened to Phoebe with the experience of his own daughter, who had been bullied at her own school. Cosby said teachers in his daughter's school "immediately brought the parents of the child in who was doing the bullying. And it worked".

    Reality TV star Khloe Kardashian also expressed her outrage at the bullying that Phoebe endured. "The difference is that today these kids are given so many different outlets to bully. When I was a child and being teased, we didn't have Twitter, Facebook or MySpace, so bullying only went on during school hours," she said. "Now kids go to school and are tortured, and they come home and still have to deal with it online -- there's no escape."

    Responding to intense criticism of the website in the wake of Phoebe's death, Facebook last week announced a range of new measures --including a 24-hour police hotline, a multi-million euro education and awareness campaign, and a redesigned abuse reporting system -- but has declined to add a logo linking to the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre. Child safety charities, anti-bullying groups and certain politicians have called for Facebook to introduce a so-called "panic button" to the site, but the website has so far resisted.

    It will take at least until this coming autumn for all of the defendants charged in the case to have their day in court. All three juvenile defendants, as required under Massachusetts law, must report by Friday afternoon to a juvenile court probation department. They were told by the judge in their cases to avoid the Prince family and keep the office informed of their whereabouts. A pre-trial conference has been scheduled for May 5, with a pre-trial hearing set for July 1.

    A pre-trial conference in the cases of Mulveyhill, Narey and Austin Renaud, who is charged with statutory rape, is set for June 29, meaning the defendants will not appear in court until a September 15 pre-trial hearing unless special proceedings are scheduled in the interim. If convicted, Renaud and Mulveyhill could face up to life imprisonment.

    A source at the Northwestern District Attorney's office in Massachusetts, which is prosecuting the case, told the Sunday Independent that her office was "extremely confident" of securing convictions in all cases


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 431 ✭✭punkindrublic


    It's very sad but part of me can't help but think that this is only getting so much press because a.it happened in america, b.another way to try make social networking look bad. When I was in first year one of my friends was getting bullied (we didn't know) and he killed himself (same method as phoebe, hanging) and no papers printed anything. Not that it should have been, his family were happy it wasn't splashed all over. But this kind of thing has been happening for a long time.

    It is very sad though. Have any of the teachers who knew it was going on released statements?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    It's very sad but part of me can't help but think that this is only getting so much press because a.it happened in america, b.another way to try make social networking look bad. When I was in first year one of my friends was getting bullied (we didn't know) and he killed himself (same method as phoebe, hanging) and no papers printed anything. Not that it should have been, his family were happy it wasn't splashed all over. But this kind of thing has been happening for a long time.

    It is very sad though. Have any of the teachers who knew it was going on released statements?

    Do you not think it's a good thing that it's being so widely reported though? Maybe it will make the people in charge sit up and take notice and put measures in place to help any kids that are in the same position.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    It's very sad but part of me can't help but think that this is only getting so much press because a.it happened in america, b.another way to try make social networking look bad. When I was in first year one of my friends was getting bullied (we didn't know) and he killed himself (same method as phoebe, hanging) and no papers printed anything. Not that it should have been, his family were happy it wasn't splashed all over. But this kind of thing has been happening for a long time.

    It is very sad though. Have any of the teachers who knew it was going on released statements?
    I would think the teachers are under orders to say nothing because of the case. But school is pleading ignorance for the most part even though it has been proved they knew plenty


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 970 ✭✭✭Kirnsy


    Anyone else find it horribly ironic that the lad who is charged with bullying about her being Irish is called Sean?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Four girls and two boys face charges including statutory rape, assault and stalking

    I think it was a bit more than name calling.

    If they get foung guilty, I hope the enjoy all the benefits of prison life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Kirnsy wrote: »
    Anyone else find it horribly ironic that the lad who is charged with bullying about her being Irish is called Sean?
    Not really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Kirnsy wrote: »
    Anyone else find it horribly ironic that the lad who is charged with bullying about her being Irish is called Sean?

    It's a school in Boston so there'd be plenty of Irish ex pats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    "Now kids go to school and are tortured, and they come home and still have to deal with it online -- there's no escape."

    Seriously? No escape? People are forced to use the internet, yeh? Because Facebook is the only site on the internet. :rolleyes:

    What happened here was tragic and the people responsible will be punished. Both the kids that did it and the Teachers who let it happen. But this kind of sensationalist reporting is awful. The story itself is upsetting enough. You don't need the amateur dramatics added on to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 970 ✭✭✭Kirnsy


    Not really.

    Ironic is probably the wrong word to use. More retarded or hypocritical.
    BaZmO* wrote: »
    It's a school in Boston so there'd be plenty of Irish ex pats.

    Yeah so its a bit rich of him to be bullying others for being Irish...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Kirnsy wrote: »
    Ironic is probably the wrong word to use. More retarded or hypocritical.



    Yeah so its a bit rich of him to be bullying others for being Irish...
    Her irishness was an issue undoubtedly but not the over riding issue.


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